So do you have a big plan B if all else fails and if so what is it ?
For me, my plan B is looking ever increasingly attractive. :D :( :cool:
I'm on like Plan M, which is Plan J followed by (hopefully) Plan K.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 28, 2011, 07:14:42 PM
I'm on like Plan M, which is Plan J followed by (hopefully) Plan K.
:D
I'm also probably on plan M or R or S, but Plan B has always been the same. And it still looks quite attractive. :bowler:
My central planning never fails.
Plan 123B failed years ago. I'm still bitter. I have no backup.
Monastery.
I don't think I have a plan at all. Ride the wind, baby!
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 28, 2011, 07:38:31 PM
Monastery.
:D
I can see that suiting you rather well, and I'm not a cheap shot at your sexuality either. :hug:
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 28, 2011, 07:19:04 PM
My central planning never fails.
I'm in my 6th Five Year Plan.
Grab the pack, rifle, pistol and head to the mountains. Oh cache the other weapons and ammo I cant carry.
I don't have a plan A.
I`m doing it now. Sort of.
I need to start thinking of a new plan A and B though.
Invade the Soviet Far East. The Navy will never go for it, though.
To my surprise, my plan A from age of 12 or so continues to hold. :cool:
I have Plan C, but I do not have Plan B. :(
Crystal meth addiction.
There are so many countries in the world that need English teachers, my plans B,C, etc is simply a list of countries, each a little less desirable than the last.
Quote from: Queequeg on August 28, 2011, 10:50:27 PM
Crystal meth addiction.
Might want to rethink that one just a bit.
Sort of. It's vaguely going to the States and plying my skills as a charlatan.
Seriously.
Quote from: Zoupa on August 28, 2011, 11:00:10 PM
Sort of. It's vaguely going to the States and plying my skills as a charlatan.
Seriously.
Real Estate Investment Banking?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2011, 10:50:52 PM
There are so many countries in the world that need English teachers, my plans B,C, etc is simply a list of countries, each a little less desirable than the last.
That's my plan now too :(
Gonna be fun trying to save for retirement on ~$20,000/year and no 401k, etc.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 28, 2011, 11:03:49 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2011, 10:50:52 PM
There are so many countries in the world that need English teachers, my plans B,C, etc is simply a list of countries, each a little less desirable than the last.
That's my plan now too :(
Bhutan or bust baby! $600 a month!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2011, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 28, 2011, 11:03:49 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2011, 10:50:52 PM
There are so many countries in the world that need English teachers, my plans B,C, etc is simply a list of countries, each a little less desirable than the last.
That's my plan now too :(
Bhutan or bust baby! $600 a month!
I'm on track to go to China in October. I'll make about the same as I did in Korea, maybe slightly more, but have to pay my own rent (which, granted, will be much lower, even in Shanghai).
I would like to go to Vietnam and Mongolia if I did the permanent TEFL teacher route. Winter in Ulaanbaatar would certainly be an experience.
Be heading back to the states in October, I'm waiting on my next FBI check. Once I get that I'm going to apply for jobs in Japan, Taiwan and Dubai. Vietnam does sound enticing.
Maybe a bit off-kilter, but I really have had suicide ready as Plan B for at least 5 years. Or even as Plan A at certain moments. But what other card do you need with that in your deck?
Career-wise plan A is working out surprisingly well, especially considering that the whole plan was like half a sentence long.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on August 29, 2011, 02:00:55 AM
Maybe a bit off-kilter, but I really have had suicide ready as Plan B for at least 5 years. Or even as Plan A at certain moments. But what other card do you need with that in your deck?
:console:
QuoteBe heading back to the states in October, I'm waiting on my next FBI check. Once I get that I'm going to apply for jobs in Japan, Taiwan and Dubai. Vietnam does sound enticing.
Vietnam was awesome, especially Saigon/HCMC. Lots of creepy westerners, as you would expect in SE Asia, but lots of cool people too. It's supposed to be really easy to get TEFL jobs there, since it's not one of the big teaching destinations. Everything is dirt-cheap, too. The biggest problems would be the weather and the air pollution. Oh, and insane motorbikes everywhere.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 02:18:08 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on August 29, 2011, 02:00:55 AM
Maybe a bit off-kilter, but I really have had suicide ready as Plan B for at least 5 years. Or even as Plan A at certain moments. But what other card do you need with that in your deck?
:console:
QuoteBe heading back to the states in October, I'm waiting on my next FBI check. Once I get that I'm going to apply for jobs in Japan, Taiwan and Dubai. Vietnam does sound enticing.
Vietnam was awesome, especially Saigon/HCMC. Lots of creepy westerners, as you would expect in SE Asia, but lots of cool people too. It's supposed to be really easy to get TEFL jobs there, since it's not one of the big teaching destinations. Everything is dirt-cheap, too. The biggest problems would be the weather and the air pollution. Oh, and insane motorbikes everywhere.
From what I remember jobs seemed to range from $1000-1400 a month, but if the average person makes $100 a month you can probably live pretty well just spending 2-300 a month and saving the rest.
Also, the salaries in Arabia are insane. The ones in Saudi pay $40k per year, the ones in Dubai range from $3,500-8,000 per month!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 29, 2011, 02:23:24 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 02:18:08 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on August 29, 2011, 02:00:55 AM
Maybe a bit off-kilter, but I really have had suicide ready as Plan B for at least 5 years. Or even as Plan A at certain moments. But what other card do you need with that in your deck?
:console:
QuoteBe heading back to the states in October, I'm waiting on my next FBI check. Once I get that I'm going to apply for jobs in Japan, Taiwan and Dubai. Vietnam does sound enticing.
Vietnam was awesome, especially Saigon/HCMC. Lots of creepy westerners, as you would expect in SE Asia, but lots of cool people too. It's supposed to be really easy to get TEFL jobs there, since it's not one of the big teaching destinations. Everything is dirt-cheap, too. The biggest problems would be the weather and the air pollution. Oh, and insane motorbikes everywhere.
From what I remember jobs seemed to range from $1000-1400 a month, but if the average person makes $100 a month you can probably live pretty well just spending 2-300 a month and saving the rest.
Also, the salaries in Arabia are insane. The ones in Saudi pay $40k per year, the ones in Dubai range from $3,500-8,000 per month!
But you have to live in Saudi Arabia or UAE :yuk:
I for one prefer to enjoy alcohol and women on my days off.
Quote from: Tamas on August 29, 2011, 02:15:33 AM
Career-wise plan A is working out surprisingly well, especially considering that the whole plan was like half a sentence long.
Are you still with the same company? So far, I never had much to do with them, but in my next job, they are the main supplier.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 02:47:43 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 29, 2011, 02:23:24 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 02:18:08 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on August 29, 2011, 02:00:55 AM
Maybe a bit off-kilter, but I really have had suicide ready as Plan B for at least 5 years. Or even as Plan A at certain moments. But what other card do you need with that in your deck?
:console:
QuoteBe heading back to the states in October, I'm waiting on my next FBI check. Once I get that I'm going to apply for jobs in Japan, Taiwan and Dubai. Vietnam does sound enticing.
Vietnam was awesome, especially Saigon/HCMC. Lots of creepy westerners, as you would expect in SE Asia, but lots of cool people too. It's supposed to be really easy to get TEFL jobs there, since it's not one of the big teaching destinations. Everything is dirt-cheap, too. The biggest problems would be the weather and the air pollution. Oh, and insane motorbikes everywhere.
From what I remember jobs seemed to range from $1000-1400 a month, but if the average person makes $100 a month you can probably live pretty well just spending 2-300 a month and saving the rest.
Also, the salaries in Arabia are insane. The ones in Saudi pay $40k per year, the ones in Dubai range from $3,500-8,000 per month!
But you have to live in Saudi Arabia or UAE :yuk:
I for one prefer to enjoy alcohol and women on my days off.
Dubai wouldn't be that bad I don't think.
Quote from: Zanza on August 29, 2011, 02:57:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on August 29, 2011, 02:15:33 AM
Career-wise plan A is working out surprisingly well, especially considering that the whole plan was like half a sentence long.
Are you still with the same company? So far, I never had much to do with them, but in my next job, they are the main supplier.
yep, I am, crawling my way up slowly. :)
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 02:47:43 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 29, 2011, 02:23:24 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 02:18:08 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on August 29, 2011, 02:00:55 AM
Maybe a bit off-kilter, but I really have had suicide ready as Plan B for at least 5 years. Or even as Plan A at certain moments. But what other card do you need with that in your deck?
:console:
QuoteBe heading back to the states in October, I'm waiting on my next FBI check. Once I get that I'm going to apply for jobs in Japan, Taiwan and Dubai. Vietnam does sound enticing.
Vietnam was awesome, especially Saigon/HCMC. Lots of creepy westerners, as you would expect in SE Asia, but lots of cool people too. It's supposed to be really easy to get TEFL jobs there, since it's not one of the big teaching destinations. Everything is dirt-cheap, too. The biggest problems would be the weather and the air pollution. Oh, and insane motorbikes everywhere.
From what I remember jobs seemed to range from $1000-1400 a month, but if the average person makes $100 a month you can probably live pretty well just spending 2-300 a month and saving the rest.
Also, the salaries in Arabia are insane. The ones in Saudi pay $40k per year, the ones in Dubai range from $3,500-8,000 per month!
But you have to live in Saudi Arabia or UAE :yuk:
I for one prefer to enjoy alcohol and women on my days off.
Creepy Westerner.
Saudi for $40k a year is definitely not worth it. Now the Dubai option might be :hmm:
Amongst other things it is a big airline hub, fairly cheap flights to Europe if you had a break.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 29, 2011, 03:44:22 AM
Saudi for $40k a year is definitely not worth it. Now the Dubai option might be :hmm:
Amongst other things it is a big airline hub, fairly cheap flights to Europe if you had a break.
Yeah, even though I'd save at least $20k I wouldn't do it.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2011, 10:50:52 PM
There are so many countries in the world that need English teachers,
Then why would you be involved? You can't spell yourself out of a paper bag.
I'd like to think my plan B would involve playing Skyrim come November and get a lot of fresh tail.
But no, not really. Been doing the whole overly self-involved recovering addict for so long that, heck, I haven't had the time or energy to make a Plan B.
Maybe it'd be a good idea to get a Plan B...
$8,000 for teaching English? As you don't pay taxes in Dubai, isn't that like $12-15k in a normal country? I am sceptical.
I don't know what kind of money/deal they would have to offer me to consider relocating to Dubai, even for a year or so. I'm thinking 100-200% raise at least and a fast partnership track.
My Plan B is something I consider in case a general or a personal "catastrophe" happens (a general catastrophe being something like a really global crisis resulting in total economy collapse or serious illness. In that case I plan to liquidate some of my assets and move back with my parents OR go on a world tour (depending if it's the world or I that is going to a shitter).
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 29, 2011, 03:44:22 AM
Saudi for $40k a year is definitely not worth it. Now the Dubai option might be :hmm:
Amongst other things it is a big airline hub, fairly cheap flights to Europe if you had a break.
I would barely consider Dubai for $400k a year.
Also, as someone who was an expat for 6 months, living in Brussels, I gotta say it sucks immensely companionship-wise (I am not just talking about hooking up for sex, but just being able to spend time with friends etc.)
And that was Brussels, which was close to Paris and London, and still within the Western world. I can't imagine how soul-destroyingly bleak and boring it would have to be to live in Dubai, not to mention Saudi Arabia.
Also, wouldn't you have to stay deep in the closet in Dubai or else risk being killed? :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on August 29, 2011, 06:24:11 AM
Also, wouldn't you have to stay deep in the closet in Dubai or else risk being killed? :hmm:
Yeah well there's that too. :D
For $400k/year you can buy new friends. :contract:
Quote from: Zanza on August 29, 2011, 04:40:26 AM
$8,000 for teaching English? As you don't pay taxes in Dubai, isn't that like $12-15k in a normal country? I am sceptical.
I'm sure that's for people with PhD's teaching at University. I'd probably be more in the $4000 per month range.
Quote from: Martinus on August 29, 2011, 06:18:48 AM
Also, as someone who was an expat for 6 months, living in Brussels, I gotta say it sucks immensely companionship-wise (I am not just talking about hooking up for sex, but just being able to spend time with friends etc.)
Having studied and worked abroad, I can't share that feeling. It's very easy to meet other people in the same situation as you are.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 29, 2011, 06:50:34 AM
I'm sure that's for people with PhD's teaching at University. I'd probably be more in the $4000 per month range.
That's an okay salary if you consider that you don't pay taxes.
If anybody need a friend in Dubai, just get me an IT job there :cool:
Not you Marty, I will not hang from the same lamppost you will, just for talking to you :P
Quote from: Tamas on August 29, 2011, 07:04:50 AM
If anybody need a friend in Dubai, just get me an IT job there :cool:
Not you Marty, I will not hang from the same lamppost you will, just for talking to you :P
Did you try it before? I googled out of interest and found quite a few jobsites. Here is one that should fit your skills IIRC:
WINDOWS ENGINEER DUBAI
Our client is a leading IT solutions company that focuses on the implementation, rollout and management of remote network solutions and managed services. With clients ranging from small to enterprise size across public and private sectors, this company is looking for an experienced, enthusiastic and driven Senior Microsoft Engineer with Exchange specialisation to support the clients of this fast growing company. You will be responsible for liasing with customers, managing enterprise server environments, and developing and architecting solutions for external clients.
You will need:
A solid understanding of Windows 2008
Previous experience with Exchange
Active directory experience including Design, Migration, Support and Administration
A minimum of 5 years IT experience
Outstanding communication and presentation skills
If this sounds like your next challenge, then apply now!
SALARY UP TO 89 k USD
http://www.dubaijobs.net/ITJOBS.html
I'm unfamiliar with even the existance of Windows 2008 :(
2008 is a server OS, not for clients.
Quote from: Martinus on August 29, 2011, 06:18:48 AM
Also, as someone who was an expat for 6 months, living in Brussels, I gotta say it sucks immensely companionship-wise (I am not just talking about hooking up for sex, but just being able to spend time with friends etc.)
And that was Brussels, which was close to Paris and London, and still within the Western world. I can't imagine how soul-destroyingly bleak and boring it would have to be to live in Dubai, not to mention Saudi Arabia.
I'm not sure I would notice a difference. :(
Quote from: Ideologue on August 29, 2011, 07:31:58 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 29, 2011, 06:18:48 AM
Also, as someone who was an expat for 6 months, living in Brussels, I gotta say it sucks immensely companionship-wise (I am not just talking about hooking up for sex, but just being able to spend time with friends etc.)
And that was Brussels, which was close to Paris and London, and still within the Western world. I can't imagine how soul-destroyingly bleak and boring it would have to be to live in Dubai, not to mention Saudi Arabia.
I'm not sure I would notice a difference. :(
You could always go to Texas. Jorbs are available and housing prices are insanely low.
My plan B would be going abroad, and I see it likelier and likelier for next year, as everything is going down the shitter in Spain nowadays. My plan C would be setting up a boutique B&B for wealthy furriners (retiree or soon to be retiree Brits and Scandis, mostly) in my neck of the woods and, ideally, followed by buying run down old country houses and rehabilitating them in order to sell them to the aforementioned wealthy furriners.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 29, 2011, 08:07:36 AM
You could always go to Texas. Jorbs are available and housing prices are insanely low.
The only problem is where the Jorbs are the housing prices are not insanely low without a hellish commute through Texas traffic. It is kind of funny that 8.2% unemployment now means: we have tons of jobs! Ah American how the mighty have fallen.
Also water rationing is going to be a very serious issue here in the years to come.
Everything failed years ago, and it's too late for Plan B. :(
I am working on Plan C....start a revolution.
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2011, 08:29:01 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 29, 2011, 08:07:36 AM
You could always go to Texas. Jorbs are available and housing prices are insanely low.
The only problem is where the Jorbs are the housing prices are not insanely low without a hellish commute through Texas traffic. It is kind of funny that 8.2% unemployment now means: we have tons of jobs! Ah American how the mighty have fallen.
Also water rationing is going to be a very serious issue here in the years to come.
Hey, we have 8.8% here. Ohio: SUCCESSFUL. :lol:
^I've actually been avoiding applying to jobs in Texas.
If I wanted to live in an oppressively hot cultural wasteland, I'd just stay here.
Quote from: Josephus on August 29, 2011, 08:29:48 AM
Everything failed years ago, and it's too late for Plan B. :(
I am working on Plan C....start a revolution.
That was the craziest game of poker that I ever saw.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 29, 2011, 08:38:23 AM
Quote from: Josephus on August 29, 2011, 08:29:48 AM
Everything failed years ago, and it's too late for Plan B. :(
I am working on Plan C....start a revolution.
I say oh, you say a, I say revolution, and you say die.
Is that O.A.R? :w00t:
My plan B involves, after the divorce, getting a job in Wyoming which in part involves teaching history.
Never had a plan. But things worked out. Hope I never have a Plan A or B.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on August 29, 2011, 02:00:55 AM
Maybe a bit off-kilter, but I really have had suicide ready as Plan B for at least 5 years. Or even as Plan A at certain moments. But what other card do you need with that in your deck?
:hug:
Which is why I advocate people having a serious plan B, I've know of people who've been motoring along fine on plan A, doing all that society expect of them, suddenly several serious things happen that demolish plan A and they've no plan B, can't cope and so go straight to what I call plan C - suicide.
I think some of these tragic husband loses job/house and/or marriage/kid access and then commits murder-suicide news stories may have some origination in people not being prepared if unexpectedly the 2.2 children happily ever after/'the American Dream' suddenly goes tits up.
And that's why I think everyone should always have a 'escape strategy', a realistic Plan B ready if the unexpected happens.
Quote from: Zanza on August 29, 2011, 07:14:43 AM
Quote from: Tamas on August 29, 2011, 07:04:50 AM
If anybody need a friend in Dubai, just get me an IT job there :cool:
Not you Marty, I will not hang from the same lamppost you will, just for talking to you :P
Did you try it before? I googled out of interest and found quite a few jobsites. Here is one that should fit your skills IIRC:
WINDOWS ENGINEER DUBAI
Our client is a leading IT solutions company that focuses on the implementation, rollout and management of remote network solutions and managed services. With clients ranging from small to enterprise size across public and private sectors, this company is looking for an experienced, enthusiastic and driven Senior Microsoft Engineer with Exchange specialisation to support the clients of this fast growing company. You will be responsible for liasing with customers, managing enterprise server environments, and developing and architecting solutions for external clients.
You will need:
A solid understanding of Windows 2008
Previous experience with Exchange
Active directory experience including Design, Migration, Support and Administration
A minimum of 5 years IT experience
Outstanding communication and presentation skills
If this sounds like your next challenge, then apply now!
SALARY UP TO 89 k USD
http://www.dubaijobs.net/ITJOBS.html
This is a decent plan B. Remove [Dubai] and plug pretty much any place at all. That's mine. Fungible skill set ftw.
My plan B used to be going abroad as well. Crohn's has significantly changed that, sadly. Plan B now consists in spending countless hours studying in order to be able to waste my talents in a dull but secure and stress-free public sector job.
My Plan B is to take my savings, move to Canada and try to put my feet down there. And it triggers if my current job goes belly up for whatever reason, because the closest place I could get a remotely as nice job as this would be the capital, and if I have to bear living in a big smelly dangerous city in a crappy apartment, I might as well bear with it in a civilized country.
Fuck this, we need a war.
Quote from: 11B4V on August 28, 2011, 08:13:21 PM
Grab the pack, rifle, pistol and head to the mountains. Oh cache the other weapons and ammo I cant carry.
Yes, but what's your "Plan B"?
;)
Quote from: Martinus on August 29, 2011, 06:18:48 AM
Also, as someone who was an expat for 6 months, living in Brussels, I gotta say it sucks immensely companionship-wise (I am not just talking about hooking up for sex, but just being able to spend time with friends etc.)
And that was Brussels, which was close to Paris and London, and still within the Western world. I can't imagine how soul-destroyingly bleak and boring it would have to be to live in Dubai, not to mention Saudi Arabia.
I think it's different in Saudi because you'd be living on a compound. In Dubai (like Hong Kong) I hear there's a very strong expat community with expat bars and the like - but I hear that like Hong Kong it's more or less segregated. The local life is either totally separate (Dubai/Saudi) or the expats are unpleasantly insular (Hong Kong). It's a whole new sort of hell. I couldn't imagine that as opposed to working and living in, say New York.
The real horrible expat postings are the oil ones though. 2 years in Port Gentil! :W00t:
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 29, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Never had a plan. But things worked out. Hope I never have a Plan A or B.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Malthus on August 29, 2011, 01:15:52 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on August 28, 2011, 08:13:21 PM
Grab the pack, rifle, pistol and head to the mountains. Oh cache the other weapons and ammo I cant carry.
Yes, but what's your "Plan B"?
;)
:D
Quote from: mongers on August 28, 2011, 07:09:54 PM
So do you have a big plan B if all else fails and if so what is it ?
Sell the house.
Sell the car.
Sell the kids.
I'm *never* coming home...
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 29, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Never had a plan. But things worked out.
Your improv skills are clearly superior to mine.
Quote from: C.C.R. on August 29, 2011, 08:47:50 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 28, 2011, 07:09:54 PM
So do you have a big plan B if all else fails and if so what is it ?
Sell the house.
Sell the car.
Sell the kids.
I'm *never* coming home...
Name your boy "Sue" before you leave home.
We own land in Argentina. I s'pose we could pull up stakes, move down there & build our llama empire. Or do the boring but more lucrative thing & grow soybeans.
There is no Plan B. Plan A must work.
I don't think I've ever had much of a plan A even.
Quote from: derspiess on August 29, 2011, 09:16:55 PM
We own land in Argentina. I s'pose we could pull up stakes, move down there & build our llama empire. Or do the boring but more lucrative thing & grow soybeans.
Or a Hitler themed amusement park. :w00t:
I have been living my plan B the last 12 years, it has worked fine so far...
Plan A: Work until retirement pension become available.
Plan B/C (preferably taken after success of Plan A): Teach english overseas(prefer Japan), ala Timmah and the others, or try to get a job in a National Park somewhere.
The potential flaw in Plan B: Single, mid-40ish (at time of retirement) wannabe overseas English teachers probably rank high on the "creepy" factor for potential employers.
And heck, in 13 years, Japan will probably have translating sexbots anyway.
Quote from: mongers on August 29, 2011, 12:57:04 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on August 29, 2011, 02:00:55 AM
Maybe a bit off-kilter, but I really have had suicide ready as Plan B for at least 5 years. Or even as Plan A at certain moments. But what other card do you need with that in your deck?
:hug:
Which is why I advocate people having a serious plan B, I've know of people who've been motoring along fine on plan A, doing all that society expect of them, suddenly several serious things happen that demolish plan A and they've no plan B, can't cope and so go straight to what I call plan C - suicide.
I think some of these tragic husband loses job/house and/or marriage/kid access and then commits murder-suicide news stories may have some origination in people not being prepared if unexpectedly the 2.2 children happily ever after/'the American Dream' suddenly goes tits up.
And that's why I think everyone should always have a 'escape strategy', a realistic Plan B ready if the unexpected happens.
I can see this working for the job/house thing, but I don't think many people plan in terms of "Plan B: What will I do when my wife leaves me or my kids die." Unless they are psychopaths.
Are you a psychopath, mongers?
I noticed today that one of the guys in my class had ring fingers that were longer then his middle fingers.
I thought about asking if he was a psycopath, I decided not to for obvious reasons.
Time for Plan B. :ph34r: :bowler:
My plan of last resort is to move to the family land my ancestors stole in Oklahoma and take up grain and soy bean farming. God I hope it never comes to that but it is nice to know I can whenever I want to as none of my cousins are likely to take that option.
Of course there is the issue I know nothing about farming.
Taking up farming isn't much of a Plan "B". Very capital intensive. You can make a great living at it, but it's just not something you can fall back to.
Quote from: Martinus on August 30, 2011, 02:53:23 AM
I can see this working for the job/house thing, but I don't think many people plan in terms of "Plan B: What will I do when my wife leaves me or my kids die."
That's actually my Plan C -- my Plan B is dealing with The Zombie Apocalypse, which is a much more likely scenario...
:P
I've been thinking of using the land In Harlan county and building a Felsennest, a festung if society goes to shit.
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
Taking up farming isn't much of a Plan "B". Very capital intensive. You can make a great living at it, but it's just not something you can fall back to.
I know a lot of farmers, but none of them make a great living at it. Most of them make barely enough to cover the finance costs on all that expensive shit they have to buy. Of course our whole agricultural sector is one big clusterfuck.
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
Taking up farming isn't much of a Plan "B". Very capital intensive. You can make a great living at it, but it's just not something you can fall back to.
Perhaps his plan is to be a sort of reverse Oakie, and labour in the fields for others. That's doable. ;)
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
Taking up farming isn't much of a Plan "B". Very capital intensive. You can make a great living at it, but it's just not something you can fall back to.
Yeah the farm has been a running enterprise for over 100 years. I would just need to move there and take over management of it.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 01, 2011, 02:19:36 PM
Of course our whole agricultural sector is one big clusterfuck.
It has not been recently. Commodity prices are going up all over the place including agricultural products.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 01, 2011, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
Taking up farming isn't much of a Plan "B". Very capital intensive. You can make a great living at it, but it's just not something you can fall back to.
I know a lot of farmers, but none of them make a great living at it. Most of them make barely enough to cover the finance costs on all that expensive shit they have to buy. Of course our whole agricultural sector is one big clusterfuck.
Same here. All the farmers I've know have another job to support the farm. There's just not much money in it. I guess some people make money at it. Corporate farms seem to do okay, but the small farmer? They barely break even and they get huge tax write offs and subsidies as it is.
Quote from: Razgovory on September 01, 2011, 02:59:52 PM
Same here. All the farmers I've know have another job to support the farm. There's just not much money in it. I guess some people make money at it. Corporate farms seem to do okay, but the small farmer? They barely break even and they get huge tax write offs and subsidies as it is.
Define "corporate farm." My father has managed to do well over the years, but does farm approximately 1500 acres.
Depends on my mood and circumstances.
My Plan B has varied from switching jobs, to smuggling narcotics, to knocking off gas-stations, to doing €2 tricks behind dumpsters, to running my car off a high cliff. :P
I'm currently on a B-plan actually, which suddenly became more of an A-plan due to unforseen pleasant improvements of the particulars of it. My old A-plan is now a C-plan, and the previous C-plan is dropped to a comfortable D.
It's all working out pretty well, despite the aforementioned A not turning out so well.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 02:28:51 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 01, 2011, 02:19:36 PM
Of course our whole agricultural sector is one big clusterfuck.
It has not been recently. Commodity prices are going up all over the place including agricultural products.
Mim's whole agricultural sector could well be one big clusterfuck. If so, he should ge t food from my whole agricultural sector. Food has never been cheaper, on average, than in the last ten years where I am. Family farms are pretty much fucked in my agricultural sector, but that handwriting has been on the wall for a very long time, and those family farms that haven't specialized or boutique-ized are pretty much going through the motions until the current generation retires.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 29, 2011, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 29, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Never had a plan. But things worked out.
Your improv skills are clearly superior to mine.
I dont believe in plans per se. I think success has a lot to do with having the ability (right skill set etc) to take advantage of an opportunity when it arises. So yes, improv is probably the best word for it.
Quote from: ulmont on September 01, 2011, 03:14:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 01, 2011, 02:59:52 PM
Same here. All the farmers I've know have another job to support the farm. There's just not much money in it. I guess some people make money at it. Corporate farms seem to do okay, but the small farmer? They barely break even and they get huge tax write offs and subsidies as it is.
Define "corporate farm." My father has managed to do well over the years, but does farm approximately 1500 acres.
I really don't know. I define "farmer" as a guy out side the city limits with corn, pigs, cows and chickens. I don't ask about how much land they have or to look at their balance sheets. I just know it's not easy. I remember someone saying they make less then a buck an acre. But it could be local conditions or they are just bad farmers. Farming isn't really my area of expertise.
Quote from: ulmont on September 01, 2011, 03:14:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 01, 2011, 02:59:52 PM
Same here. All the farmers I've know have another job to support the farm. There's just not much money in it. I guess some people make money at it. Corporate farms seem to do okay, but the small farmer? They barely break even and they get huge tax write offs and subsidies as it is.
Define "corporate farm." My father has managed to do well over the years, but does farm approximately 1500 acres.
Yeah we have been doing really well as well and prices have hit highs a couple times this year.
The flaw in this thread is that it assumes "A" is actually planned to begin with.
I was good with computers and networks, but I listened too much to post-dotcom-bubble alarmists wailing that there was no job market for IT or computer science. I had a knack for music, so getting a music degree and going into music production became "Plan B." After a meltdown due to a personal life going to shit, I switched to "Plan C"- stop going to school and just work 9-5. After getting bounced around in the job market, the state paid for me to go back to school, but it had to be an "in-demand" field. Paralegal studies seemed like the closest match for an overly analytical cynic like me, so that became "Plan D," but I actually proved too cynical and jaded to be able to cope with that (I'm one hell of a depressing mofo IRL), so I went back to computer science, which I should have done in the first place, so depending on how you look at it, I'm either back to "Plan A" or "Plan D" (for never having attempted the original "Plan A").
Once I figured out how shit works I became mega-bored and lost interest in work. Me working among people is like an average human working among chimps.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 01, 2011, 03:24:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 29, 2011, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 29, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Never had a plan. But things worked out.
Your improv skills are clearly superior to mine.
I dont believe in plans per se. I think success has a lot to do with having the ability (right skill set etc) to take advantage of an opportunity when it arises. So yes, improv is probably the best word for it.
:yes:
While I've always felt that it's important to have a general set of goals, tools with which to reach them and back ups should they break, there is no doubt that the fundamental truth is
fortune favours the prepared. If you always work hard, when good luck comes to knock on the door, odds are you're already turning the door knob.
I have never felt as "lucky" as during the times in my life when I've worked hard, stuck to schedules and gone above and beyond what is strictly necessary. Things just seem to fall into place on their own. On the flip side, slacking off has always been accompanied by mysterious accidents, break ins, sickness striking at the worst possible moment and general murphy's law style mayhem.
Quote from: The Brain on September 01, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
Once I figured out how shit works I became mega-bored and lost interest in work. Me working among people is like an average human working among chimps.
People throw a lot of shit at you do they?
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 01, 2011, 04:00:02 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 01, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
Once I figured out how shit works I became mega-bored and lost interest in work. Me working among people is like an average human working among chimps.
People throw a lot of shit at you do they?
Yes.
No indoor plumbing at your workplace? :console:
My wife certainly have a plan.
It is easy to say "I have a plan B". It is another matter to actually invest the time, effort and money in a contingency plan, especially when doing so may affect your plan A.
plan B? i don't think most people have a plan A :D
Quote from: The Brain on September 01, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
Once I figured out how shit works I became mega-bored and lost interest in work. Me working among people is like an average human working among chimps.
So, your dream job?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 01, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
Once I figured out how shit works I became mega-bored and lost interest in work. Me working among people is like an average human working among chimps.
So, your dream job?
:D
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 01, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
Once I figured out how shit works I became mega-bored and lost interest in work. Me working among people is like an average human working among chimps.
So, your dream job?
No, I am not an average human.
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
Taking up farming isn't much of a Plan "B". Very capital intensive. You can make a great living at it, but it's just not something you can fall back to.
Yeah, I was contemplating becoming a dairy farmer, but that costs money and waking up at 4am ain't my idea of a work day.
So I think maybe going out west to raise sheep, llamas and alpacas to shear for my line of sweater vests would work. Just have to feed them and do the veterinary stuff, right? That way, I don't have to worry about killing them, just shave them every year. And I could give them all names.
I always thought my back-up prole job would be to be a truck driver. Long hours alone on the road, just listening to music, and stopping off for the occasional hook-up in run-down burgs sounds about right. :thumbsup:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 05:21:22 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
Taking up farming isn't much of a Plan "B". Very capital intensive. You can make a great living at it, but it's just not something you can fall back to.
Yeah, I was contemplating becoming a dairy farmer, but that costs money and waking up at 4am ain't my idea of a work day.
So I think maybe going out west to raise sheep, llamas and alpacas to shear for my line of sweater vests would work. Just have to feed them and do the veterinary stuff, right? That way, I don't have to worry about killing them, just shave them every year. And I could give them all names.
They spit.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 02, 2011, 07:26:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 05:21:22 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
Taking up farming isn't much of a Plan "B". Very capital intensive. You can make a great living at it, but it's just not something you can fall back to.
Yeah, I was contemplating becoming a dairy farmer, but that costs money and waking up at 4am ain't my idea of a work day.
So I think maybe going out west to raise sheep, llamas and alpacas to shear for my line of sweater vests would work. Just have to feed them and do the veterinary stuff, right? That way, I don't have to worry about killing them, just shave them every year. And I could give them all names.
They spit.
Dealbreaker.
Quote from: The Brain on September 02, 2011, 08:11:13 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 02, 2011, 07:26:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 05:21:22 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
Taking up farming isn't much of a Plan "B". Very capital intensive. You can make a great living at it, but it's just not something you can fall back to.
Yeah, I was contemplating becoming a dairy farmer, but that costs money and waking up at 4am ain't my idea of a work day.
So I think maybe going out west to raise sheep, llamas and alpacas to shear for my line of sweater vests would work. Just have to feed them and do the veterinary stuff, right? That way, I don't have to worry about killing them, just shave them every year. And I could give them all names.
They spit.
Dealbreaker.
I guess you prefer that they swallow? :D
Quote from: Malthus on September 02, 2011, 08:12:20 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 02, 2011, 08:11:13 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 02, 2011, 07:26:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 05:21:22 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
Taking up farming isn't much of a Plan "B". Very capital intensive. You can make a great living at it, but it's just not something you can fall back to.
Yeah, I was contemplating becoming a dairy farmer, but that costs money and waking up at 4am ain't my idea of a work day.
So I think maybe going out west to raise sheep, llamas and alpacas to shear for my line of sweater vests would work. Just have to feed them and do the veterinary stuff, right? That way, I don't have to worry about killing them, just shave them every year. And I could give them all names.
They spit.
Dealbreaker.
I guess you prefer that they swallow? :D
Yes.
Quote from: Malthus on September 02, 2011, 08:12:20 AM
I guess you prefer that they swallow? :D
I don't think raising swallows is economically viable.
Quote from: Siege on September 01, 2011, 08:53:39 PM
My wife certainly have a plan.
Oh, have you met the guy she plans to marry then?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 05:21:22 AM
So I think maybe going out west to raise sheep, llamas and alpacas to shear for my line of sweater vests would work. Just have to feed them and do the veterinary stuff, right? That way, I don't have to worry about killing them, just shave them every year. And I could give them all names.
My aunt does that with Alpacas. She can do it because she doesnt have to rely on it to make any money.
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on September 02, 2011, 07:09:46 AM
I always thought my back-up prole job would be to be a truck driver. Long hours alone on the road, just listening to music, and stopping off for the occasional hook-up in run-down burgs sounds about right. :thumbsup:
I've had that thought too. :)
But seriously, if they canned my ass from this job and I couldn't find another, I could scrape together a living on legal aid certificates. Probably find a small rural town with a courthouse, but no resident lawyer. Wouldn't make a fortune but I could survive.
Well Plan B is proving to be more like a Plan A, but with no fall-back option. :hmm:
Like CC i don't really have a plan. Unlike CC my non-plan isn't working out as well as his :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 05:21:22 AM
So I think maybe going out west to raise sheep, llamas and alpacas to shear for my line of sweater vests would work. Just have to feed them and do the veterinary stuff, right? That way, I don't have to worry about killing them, just shave them every year. And I could give them all names.
:hug:
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 02, 2011, 11:57:36 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 05:21:22 AM
So I think maybe going out west to raise sheep, llamas and alpacas to shear for my line of sweater vests would work. Just have to feed them and do the veterinary stuff, right? That way, I don't have to worry about killing them, just shave them every year. And I could give them all names.
My aunt does that with Alpacas. She can do it because she doesnt have to rely on it to make any money.
Obviously she doesn't have enough.