Shameful beyond words to describe. :weep:
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-16/us/new.york.911.memorial_1_john-feal-responders-ground-zero/2?_s=PM:US
QuoteFirst responders decry exclusion from 9/11 ceremony
August 16, 2011|By Jeff Stein, CNN
When debris rained from the sky in lower Manhattan on September 11, 2001, the first responders to the terrorist attack did not turn away. They rushed to the World Trade Center buildings while the world around them crumbled.
Yet now, after all the wreckage has been cleared and the rebuilding has begun, their path is again blocked -- not by flying chunks of smoldering rubble, but by space constraints.
The first responders are not invited to this year's September 11 memorial ceremony at ground zero, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's office confirmed Monday.
It's a painful insult for many of the approximately 3,000 men and women who risked their lives, limbs and lungs on that monumental day, puncturing another hole in a still searing wound.
In a statement, Bloomberg spokesman Andrew Brent said the commemoration ceremony is for the victims' families.
"While we are again focused on accommodating victims' family members, given the space constraints, we're working to find ways to recognize and honor first responders, and other groups, at different places and times," Brent said.
But first responder John Feal, founder of an advocacy group for the police officers, firefighters, civilian volunteers and others who worked at ground zero, assailed Brent's response, saying Bloomberg "lives in his own world."
"The best of the best that this country offered 10 years ago are being neglected and denied their rightful place," Feal said.
Denise Villamia, a first responder who worked at ground zero for several months, cried over the phone as she recalled her "totally heartbroken" reaction to the news that she could not attend the memorial service.
"I'm crying because it's really a big betrayal on the part of the city, to rob me from my way to pay homage and to find that comfort and healing," she said. "I feel that I have been robbed of my way to pay tribute."
In addition to the victims' families, several politicians, including two presidents, are expected to be in attendance. Bloomberg's office would not provide specifics on the ceremony's arrangements, but did note that the first responders have not been invited to the preceding nine memorial services, either.
Yet first responder Morris Faitelewicz, vice president of the Auxiliary Police Supervisors Benevolent Association, called that explanation "nonsense." Faitelewicz said that, while there are not usually formal invitations, first responders have been able to attend all of the previous ceremonies simply by showing up.
Not allowing them to attend this year -- the 10th anniversary of the terror attacks -- is an especially galling affront, he said.
Additionally, many of the first responders see the decision, first reported by the New York Daily News, as evidence of the city's attempt to push to the background their untreated ailments in the official narrative of recovery and renewal.
If the responders attend the memorial service, "the promise 'we'll never forget' becomes a blatantly obvious lie -- a public display that the government didn't do right by us," says Bonnie Giebfried, a first responder.
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"It'll bring up the issue that we're basically walking dead, and that we're not being treated."
Despite the passage in December of the $4.2 billion Zagroda Act, which provides medical treatment and compensation to responders, many first responders told CNN that the government has failed to address their health needs.
Giebfried has suffered from a failing liver and kidneys, a crushed arm, elbow and wrist; post-traumatic stress disorder, chronic fatigue, encroaching lupus and other diseases. All were caused by the dust, debris and other substances to which she was exposed on 9/11, she said.
On that day, Giebfried, an emergency medical technician at the time, was twice entombed in sheared building fragments, and twice escaped.
She and her partner, Jennifer Beckham, transported people to safety and set up makeshift triage stations. She watched bodies hit the ground and explode "like a bouncing ball," and suffered three asthma attacks through a harrowing day of devastation.
Giebfried said her ongoing medical travails have disabused her of the belief that the United States honors and looks after its service members. Being excluded from the memorial proceedings was yet another confirmation of this, she said.
"If the Founding Fathers ever saw what had happened to us responders, they would roll over in their graves," she said. "Leaving first responders and survivors out of the 10th anniversary is absolutely ludicrous."
Her frustrations were echoed by others.
Father Stephen Petrovich, who drove to ground zero from Huron, Ohio, hours after the terrorists struck, spent weeks at the site removing and blessing the remains of shattered bodies. While there, he says, he inhaled carcinogens that damaged his lungs, and is now in hospice care.
"I don't think they want us there because of all the problems we've had," Petrovich said. "It's like we've been dropped off the face of the earth."
In July, the World Trade Center Health Program, which administers funds from the Zagroda Act, ruled that first responders would not receive compensation for cancer treatment because there is no established causal link between the incidence of cancer and exposure to the site on September 11, citing a dearth of "published scientific and medical findings."
A first responder who also spent months at ground zero, the Rev. Terry Lee called not being invited back for the ceremony "a rip in the heart."
Lee said the country should honor those who responded at its most dire hour of need to encourage others to respond to crises.
"I believe attending will help the healing process ... if we go; we can tell our fellow man to get involved, because, 'hey, America takes care of its own.'"
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ABSOLUTELY ALAN SPAULDING.
Quote"I believe attending will help the healing process ... if we go; we can tell our fellow man to get involved, because, 'hey, America takes care of its own.'"
But it doesn't. Best our fellow man be aware.
QuoteShameful beyond words to describe.
Like your spelling. Anniverserytard.
Quotethere is no established causal link between the incidence of cancer and exposure to the site on September 11, citing a dearth of "published scientific and medical findings."
No there isn't, because nobody bothered to do a 6 year clinical study of blowing microscopic debris of glass, insulation and other construction materials into the lungs of mice. Go fig.
So who is going instead of the cops, firefighters etc etc?
Politicians, perchance :hmm: ?
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 21, 2011, 03:58:08 AM
So who is going instead of the cops, firefighters etc etc?
Politicians, perchance :hmm: ?
Article says families of the stiffs. Which is hard to argue with.
What is more shameful is that these guys are not getting treatment (I guess now it would be mainly paliative) for their lung cancer.
It's America. Humans are just fuel to be burnt to keep capitalism going. A doomed effort but there you go.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2011, 04:11:52 AM
Article says families of the stiffs.
Really, Yi? Even the victims of our greatest national tragedy aren't spared from your hipsterisms?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2011, 04:24:20 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2011, 04:11:52 AM
Article says families of the stiffs.
Really, Yi? Even the victims of our greatest national tragedy aren't spared from your hipsterisms?
It was 10 years ago. Get over it already.
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2011, 04:25:46 AM
It was 10 years ago. Get over it already.
Go fuck yourself, Chief Deadcheek.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2011, 04:11:52 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 21, 2011, 03:58:08 AM
So who is going instead of the cops, firefighters etc etc?
Politicians, perchance :hmm: ?
Article says families of the stiffs. Which is hard to argue with.
Ah yes, missed that first time round. I'd agree that the families have precedence.
Quote"The best of the best that this country offered 10 years ago are being neglected and denied their rightful place," Feal said.
well, that's hardly true. they were just lucky to be on the scene quicker than others, or that's just when their shift was. do they really want special commendation for doing their job? denise, you're crying because you're a fucking cunt
Quote from: LaCroix on August 21, 2011, 05:09:54 AM
well, that's hardly true. they were just lucky to be on the scene quicker than others, or that's just when their shift was. do they really want special commendation for doing their job? denise, you're crying because you're a fucking cunt
I wouldn't call the fate of the first responders "lucky." As I recall, the ones to get there first were the rescue squads, which were annihilated to the man. Overall, something like 70% of the firemen and EMTs who had responded died when the towers collapsed.
However, I agree that the wailing about not being included in an event for the families is unprofessional and self-centered.
Quote from: grumbler on August 21, 2011, 06:45:00 AMI wouldn't call the fate of the first responders "lucky."
yeah, i know. i wasn't being completely serious about that ;)
Quote from: grumbler on August 21, 2011, 06:45:00 AM
I wouldn't call the fate of the first responders "lucky." As I recall, the ones to get there first were the rescue squads, which were annihilated to the man. Overall, something like 70% of the firemen and EMTs who had responded died when the towers collapsed.
However, I agree that the wailing about not being included in an event for the families is unprofessional and self-centered.
Given how much of FDNY was decimated (at least one entire station's worth of personnel died on 9/11), I think one could also successfully argue that the firefighters should be counted as "family of the victims."
Also, barring people who were actually there? Far less class than complaining about being left out.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 21, 2011, 07:51:49 AM
Given how much of FDNY was decimated (at least one entire station's worth of personnel died on 9/11), I think one could also successfully argue that the firefighters should be counted as "family of the victims."
While far, far more than "one entire station's worth" of firefighters was lost (almost 350 firemen and EMTs, which is about 10 stations' worth), one cannot argue that the surviving firefighters should be counted as actual family members of the dead firefighters. Family has a real meaning as well as a purely rhetorical meaning.
QuoteAlso, barring people who were actually there? Far less class than complaining about being left out.
Many people who were there are not being admitted to the ceremony, because there simply isn't room. Nothing low-class in limiting the attendees to those who can be accomodated; quite the reverse, in fact. What would be low-class is allowing the firefighters to attend and crowd out actual family members.
Quote from: LaCroix on August 21, 2011, 06:55:42 AM
Quote from: grumbler on August 21, 2011, 06:45:00 AMI wouldn't call the fate of the first responders "lucky."
yeah, i know. i wasn't being completely serious about that ;)
:thumbsup:
Quote from: grumbler on August 21, 2011, 08:06:20 AMWhat would be low-class is allowing the firefighters to attend and crowd out actual family members.
That was the single concern I had pop in my head as I thought about it; as someone who's attended his fair share of cop funerals, the First Responder community has a habit of...well...let's just say they have a flair for the over-dramatic sometimes. Every fire apparatus in the 5 Bs as well as Joisey and Longiland would be there.
Want to be a First Responder and remember your fellows the best way you can on the 9/11 anniversary? Be on duty during it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2011, 11:48:07 AM
Quote from: grumbler on August 21, 2011, 08:06:20 AMWhat would be low-class is allowing the firefighters to attend and crowd out actual family members.
First Responder community has a habit of...well...let's just say they have a flair for the over-dramatic sometimes.
+1
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2011, 04:25:46 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2011, 04:24:20 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2011, 04:11:52 AM
Article says families of the stiffs.
Really, Yi? Even the victims of our greatest national tragedy aren't spared from your hipsterisms?
It was 10 years ago. Get over it already.
Why don't you die already?
Quote from: LaCroix on August 21, 2011, 05:09:54 AM
Quote"The best of the best that this country offered 10 years ago are being neglected and denied their rightful place," Feal said.
well, that's hardly true. they were just lucky to be on the scene quicker than others, or that's just when their shift was. do they really want special commendation for doing their job? denise, you're crying because you're a fucking cunt
You are a fucking cunt too!
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 21, 2011, 07:51:49 AMAlso, barring people who were actually there? Far less class than complaining about being left out.
:lol:
@siege: no, you! ;)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2011, 11:48:07 AM
Want to be a First Responder and remember your fellows the best way you can on the 9/11 anniversary? Be on duty during it.
Amen.
I am personally commerating 9/11 by flying between 2 major US cities.
I once levitated somewhere between Atlanta and Miami.
That's pretty greedy of them. They were in Ground Zero long enough, they should let other people spend some time there.