Looks like things are already getting tense between Israel and the new Egyptian government. :(
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903596904576520133388575292.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
QuoteEgypt Recalls Ambassador to Israel Over Shootings
By JOSHUA MITNICK And MATT BRADLEY
TEL AVIV—Egypt said Saturday it would recall its ambassador from Israel to protest the deaths of at least three Egyptian troops killed in a shootout between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian militants who had launched a deadly attack on Israel from Egyptian soil.
Egypt's interim government said the envoy would be withdrawn until Israel concludes its investigation into the deaths, Associated Press reported.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said the Israeli government was holding consultations on the Egyptian move, although officials said they hadn't received an official notice about the withdrawal.
On Friday, Israel's army killed seven Palestinians while militants fired two dozen rockets into southern Israel from the Gaza Strip, in an escalation of violence triggered by a chain of attacks that began with the killing of eight Israelis near the border with Egypt the day earlier.
The casualties highlighted the erosion of security in Sinai, which Israel says helped Palestinian militants from Gaza infiltrate the desert peninsula and carry out the worst strikes near the Egypt-Israel border since the neighbors' 1979 peace treaty.
Though Israeli government officials insisted security cooperation with the Egyptian military remained unchanged, new indications emerged Friday of the continuing fraying of Israel-Egyptian ties, as Egypt complained to Israel that its soldiers killed Egyptian security forces in the clashes.
Palestinian medical officials said four of the Palestinians killed were militants and three were civilians. The Israeli army said it attacked teams attempting to fire rockets at southern Israel cities, as well as weapons facilities. Militants in Gaza fired some two dozen Katyusha rockets, one hitting a synagogue in the city of Ashdod.
In a signal that the violence is set to continue, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Friday vowed again to exact a "heavy price'' for the raid. On Thursday, Israel killed five militants in the Gaza city of Rafah they say were involved in the attacks.
The Hamas military wing, in turn, said it wouldn't commit any longer to a more than two-year de facto truce with Israel.
Israel's army was surprised on Thursday afternoon by the unusually bold and meticulously planned terrorist offensive against commuter buses, civilian cars and soldiers along a border highway just 13 miles north of the Israeli resort of Eilat.
Initial reaction from the Egyptian public and politicians offered a hint as to how Egypt's post-revolutionary transitional leadership will have to accommodate popular antipathy toward Israel.
The reaction contrasted with the relatively pro-Israel posture of the former regime of President Hosni Mubarak, who was ousted in February, was a reliable security partner to Israel.
On Friday, Egyptian Prime Minister Essam Sharaf held an emergency meeting on the situation in Sinai, while the government filed a formal complaint with the Israeli army blaming it for the deaths of five Egyptian security personnel in the shootout with militants on Thursday, according to the state news service. In comments before the emergency meeting, Mr. Sharaf told reporters that "Egyptian blood is too precious to be spilt without response," according to the state news service.
Israel's army said it was probing exchanges of fire with Palestinian militants in the area.
Amr Moussa, the former secretary general of the Arab League and a presidential candidate in Egypt, demanded on a Twitter posting a "strong response" from the Egyptian government. Hundreds of Egyptian protesters gathered Friday night outside the Israeli embassy in Cairo.
In an effort to make sense of what the worst militant attack in years meant for the two allies, Israeli analysts suggested the army face new realities in the Sinai following the fall of former President Mubarak.
"What happened yesterday in southern Israel was the realization of Israel's security nightmare scenario. The question was not was if this would happen, but rather when,'' wrote Ben Caspit in the daily Maariv newspaper. "What is needed is a dramatic strategic step, a step that cannot be found in view of the poor cards that were dealt in Cairo and the poor regional circumstances.''
Israelis have been anxious since the fall of President Mubarak about security in Sinai. A pipeline supplying Egyptian gas to Israel and Jordan has been attacked several time, and officials have warned of increased smuggling at the Gaza border.
Israel has accelerated work on a border fence, but it is far from finished. Recently 1,000 Egyptian soldiers deployed in Sinai.
An Israeli government official cautioned that Israel would continue to cooperate with Egypt, and needed to conduct a more exhaustive review of the attack before drawing any conclusions.
"There needs to be a clear commitment from everyone that there is stability. I think the Egyptians are trying,'' said Yosef Kuperwasser, the director-general of the Strategic Affairs Ministry. "They have a commitment, but it's a difficult task. Sinai is a big region.''
Gamal Abdel Gawad, political analyst at the government-funded Al Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies, added, "If the Israelis use this opportunity to direct their criticism and exert pressure on Egypt, this could definitely hurt Egyptian-Israeli relations and make their relations even worse.''
—Associated Press contributed to this article
Well, it is certainly very convinient for the Egyptian military junta.
I wonder why this is being ignored here. Just like the Tottenham riots initially :hmm:
The present Egyptian regime is much much more highly likely to use the CB which was just given to them / provoked out by them
And Bibi isn't exactly the diplomatic type, either.
Well, if you go to bed with a blood murderous tyrant, don't expect the revolutionaries who take him down to like you. :hmm:
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Well, if you go to bed with a blood murderous tyrant, don't expect the revolutionaries who take him down to like you. :hmm:
Russia should be worried then, especially in regards to Libya and Syria.
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Well, if you go to bed with a blood murderous tyrant, don't expect the revolutionaries who take him down to like you. :hmm:
that's an.. interesting.. way of putting it
Quote from: citizen k on August 20, 2011, 04:50:48 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Well, if you go to bed with a blood murderous tyrant, don't expect the revolutionaries who take him down to like you. :hmm:
Russia should be worried then, especially in regards to Libya and Syria.
Ok.
Yet Obama has been friendly to Poland after they went to bed with Bushitler :hmm:
Quote from: Valmy on August 20, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
Yet Obama has been friendly to Poland after they went to bed with Bushitler :hmm:
Not really. He screwed us over on the anti-missile shield deployment and "reset" his relations with Russia.
Recalling an ambassador for having 3 of your guys killed seems a pretty moderate response. I think Marty's hopes for jihad against the Zionist Entity(tm) will be frustrated.
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Well, if you go to bed with a blood murderous tyrant, don't expect the revolutionaries who take him down to like you. :hmm:
The people running Egypt today are the same people who ran it before the "revolution" that wasn't a revolution. The top guy stepped down, but that was pretty much it for the "revolution." :hmm:
Quote from: grumbler on August 20, 2011, 05:48:52 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Well, if you go to bed with a blood murderous tyrant, don't expect the revolutionaries who take him down to like you. :hmm:
The people running Egypt today are the same people who ran it before the "revolution" that wasn't a revolution. The top guy stepped down, but that was pretty much it for the "revolution." :hmm:
Yeah, pretty much.
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Well, if you go to bed with a blood murderous tyrant, don't expect the revolutionaries who take him down to like you. :hmm:
please try and be less an east euro. kthxbye
Quote from: grumbler on August 20, 2011, 05:48:52 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Well, if you go to bed with a blood murderous tyrant, don't expect the revolutionaries who take him down to like you. :hmm:
The people running Egypt today are the same people who ran it before the "revolution" that wasn't a revolution. The top guy stepped down, but that was pretty much it for the "revolution." :hmm:
Yes indeed. I am not getting the exciting vibes from the "Arab Spring" that I did from the events in Eastern Europe 20-odd years ago. The prospect of real positive change seems slight.
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 05:25:53 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 20, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
Yet Obama has been friendly to Poland after they went to bed with Bushitler :hmm:
Not really. He screwed us over on the anti-missile shield deployment and "reset" his relations with Russia.
Are you complaining that you are no longer a target for a nuclear missile?
Quote from: Tamas on August 21, 2011, 03:42:57 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Well, if you go to bed with a blood murderous tyrant, don't expect the revolutionaries who take him down to like you. :hmm:
please try and be less an east euro. kthxbye
I think that this is the equivalent of asking him not to breathe.
Ignorance + hysterical rhetoric = gay Polack.
The bombing continues in southern israel, rockets from gaza on eshkol and hof ashkelon.
The "iron dome" missile shield is not working as expected. They are shooting down about a third of incoming fire, mainly because the flight time is too short. The new Hamas "ceasefire" lasted 20 minutes.
In yerushalayim the alert level was raised after intell of a palestinian squad planning an attack on an unspecified location in the city. I bet they were planing to attack an school. The city is pretty much in lockdown right now.
The biggest rumor though, is a full reocupation of Gaza.
I don't think is gonna happen though. No balls left in the govermetn.
The feeling is some major IDF response is about to happen.
I say this response will be limited to scattered counter-battery fire and strongly worded empty promises of further retialiation if the terrorists keep shooting rockets into Israel.
I have my doubts over the new Egypt. This action by them reinforces those doubts - they have reacted almost precisely as seems to have been intended by the Palestinian terrorists (I presume that is why they made such attacks so close to the Egypt-Israel border, at least).
Quote from: Palisadoes on August 21, 2011, 05:52:15 PM
I have my doubts over the new Egypt. This action by them reinforces those doubts - they have reacted almost precisely as seems to have been intended by the Palestinian terrorists (I presume that is why they made such attacks so close to the Egypt-Israel border, at least).
:yes:
that and the whole relaxing security on the blockade of gaza that led to this. my first thought = they're grasping for straws to justify deteriorating relations with israel. of course, the legion of anti-israelis would see the move as completely A-O K, since, you know, israel was of course at fault and deserves all the condemnation
Quote from: Siege on August 21, 2011, 05:47:31 PM
The bombing continues in southern israel, rockets from gaza on eshkol and hof ashkelon.
The "iron dome" missile shield is not working as expected. They are shooting down about a third of incoming fire, mainly because the flight time is too short. The new Hamas "ceasefire" lasted 20 minutes.
In Aelia Capitolina the alert level was raised after intell of a palestinian squad planning an attack on an unspecified location in the city. I bet they were planing to attack an school. The city is pretty much in lockdown right now.
The biggest rumor though, is a full reocupation of Gaza.
I don't think is gonna happen though. No balls left in the govermetn.
The feeling is some major IDF response is about to happen.
I say this response will be limited to scattered counter-battery fire and strongly worded empty promises of further retialiation if the terrorists keep shooting rockets into Israel.
Corrected your post :P
Go jews!
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 05:25:53 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 20, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
Yet Obama has been friendly to Poland after they went to bed with Bushitler :hmm:
Not really. He screwed us over on the anti-missile shield deployment and "reset" his relations with Russia.
Ah well I guess that supports your view then.
Seriously though people have been saying for years that eventually those dictators were going down and we would have hell to pay.
Quote from: Octavian on August 22, 2011, 02:43:52 AM
Corrected your post :P
Go jews!
Somewhere Hadrian is smiling.
Now that Egypt is changing some, Gaza is getting back to business as before, its extremists attacking Israel, the only real democracy in the region. Sadly, no surprise.
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Well, if you go to bed with a blood murderous tyrant, don't expect the revolutionaries who take him down to like you. :hmm:
So Israel should have broken the peace treaty with Egypt after Sadat was assassinated?
Yes it is languish, but it is permitted to think before posting.
Anyways, it seems a bit muddled as to what happened.
Given that Bibi is apologizing, it is reasonable to believe the Israelis screwed up here. In particular, it appears Israeli troops fired across the border and killed Egyptian security guys. Obviously, that is a big no no.
Question is what exactly the Egyptian security guys were doing in the midst of armed Pali militants. If they were doing their best to defuse the situation, and got caught in the cross-fire, all good (and all bad for Israel). But it they weren't . . .
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 22, 2011, 10:34:07 AM
Anyways, it seems a bit muddled as to what happened.
Given that Bibi is apologizing, it is reasonable to believe the Israelis screwed up here. In particular, it appears Israeli troops fired across the border and killed Egyptian security guys. Obviously, that is a big no no.
Question is what exactly the Egyptian security guys were doing in the midst of armed Pali militants. If they were doing their best to defuse the situation, and got caught in the cross-fire, all good (and all bad for Israel). But it they weren't . . .
Well, they all look the same...
Quote from: Siege on August 22, 2011, 09:15:20 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 22, 2011, 10:34:07 AM
Anyways, it seems a bit muddled as to what happened.
Given that Bibi is apologizing, it is reasonable to believe the Israelis screwed up here. In particular, it appears Israeli troops fired across the border and killed Egyptian security guys. Obviously, that is a big no no.
Question is what exactly the Egyptian security guys were doing in the midst of armed Pali militants. If they were doing their best to defuse the situation, and got caught in the cross-fire, all good (and all bad for Israel). But it they weren't . . .
Well, they all look the same...
The Egyptians wear uniforms.
The palis wore egyptian uniforms as well.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 22, 2011, 10:34:07 AM
Anyways, it seems a bit muddled as to what happened.
Given that Bibi is apologizing, it is reasonable to believe the Israelis screwed up.
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