Certainly they should be punished, but to be punished for the rest of their life is a bit much.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017081/Two-teenagers-branded-sex-offenders-life-horseplay-incident.html#ixzz1ShuQlx1v
QuoteTwo teenagers branded as sex offenders for life after sitting on other boys' faces with their bare buttocks as a prank
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 3:32 AM on 21st July 2011
Two New Jersey teenagers face registering for life as sex offenders under Megan's Law for what their lawyers claim was horseplay.
An appeals court agreed the boys, who were 14, engaged in sexual contact when they held down two 12-year-old boys in Somerset County in 2008 and placed their bare buttocks on their faces.
The ruling means the boys would have to register under Megan's Law because the court said sexual contact applies to touching for the purpose of humiliation.
Tough decision: Judge Victor Ashrafi was one of the three New Jersey appeals court judges who ruled that two young teenagers must register as sex offenders under Megan's Law
Tough decision: Judge Victor Ashrafi was one of the three New Jersey appeals court judges who ruled that two young teenagers must register as sex offenders under Megan's Law
The judges wrote they were 'keenly aware' of the ruling's ramifications for the boys and for others.
The judges sent both cases back to a lower court to consider whether one boy can withdraw his guilty plea and whether the other received effective counsel.
In a decision handed down Monday, the three-judge panel acknowledged the severity of its decision, but said it was bound to uphold the law.
'We are keenly aware that our decision may have profound lifelong ramifications for these two boys as well as others similarly situated,' Judge Jose Fuentes wrote.
Judge Victor Ashrafi was another of the three New Jersey appeals court judges who ruled that two young teenagers must register as sex offenders.
One of the boys, whose case went to trial, said he had sat on the faces of a pair of 12-year-old schoolmates with his bare buttocks in November 2008 'cause I thought it was funny and I was trying to get my friends to laugh,' he told a family court judge.
The trial judge concluded the teenager intended to humiliate or degrade his victims and found him guilty of criminal sexual contact.
The second teenager who was implicated pleaded guilty to criminal sexual contact, and received the same penalty.
Horseplay: A prank involving touching someone for the purpose of humiliation may be considered sexual contact
Horseplay: A prank involving touching someone for the purpose of humiliation may be considered sexual contact
The convictions were appealed, and the lawyers for the teenagers argued that their behaviour amounted to horseplay, which other appellate court panels had exempted from Megan's Law.
David Fassett, the lawyer for the boy who pleaded guilty, argued that the court should not take such a literal view of the law, nj.com reports.
He said: 'I think the Appellate Division was simply offended by the conduct here and just couldn't get past that issue.
The appeal did not challenge the application of Megan's Law to the 14-year-old youths since courts have already ruled the law applies to offenders as young as 13, but on the ground that the offence was not severe enough to carry a lifelong stigma.
The panel, which also included Judges Victor Ashrafi and William Nugent, noted its constraints under the law.
'Although we are not unsympathetic to the arguments criticising the application of the lifelong registration requirements in Megan's Law to 14-year-old offenders, we are bound to uphold such application because that outcome is mandated by the Legislature,' the court said in its ruling.
Nown that the judges have sent both cases back to a lower court it could mean that for the boys, who are now 16, there is still a possibility of having their convictions overturned.
You can't expect rational decisions in a climate of moral panic.
Megan's law was an abomination.
I think the label of "sex offenders" should be reserved for those who really deserve it. This case just degrades the meaning of the label.
Quote from: Neil on July 20, 2011, 10:46:10 PM
You can't expect rational decisions in a climate of moral panic.
Megan's law was an abomination.
Alright, Martinus.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 20, 2011, 10:35:06 PM
Certainly they should be punished, but to be punished for the rest of their life is a bit much.
They practically raped the other kids, they're much more deserving than some old dude with a stash of kiddy porn. :mellow:
While it sucks for them, I'm glad. These little assholes don't arouse terribly much sympathy, but can still play a vanguard role in demonstrating that our "sex offender registry" is little more than a scarlet lettering machine, and that "sex offense" is construed so broadly that it alone is a meaningless.
America. :lol:
There's so much wrong with this case, on several levels, I don't even know where to begin.
Well, this is not as stupid an application of this law as say against the teen girls who sent around their own nude photos.
If a bunch of faggots forced their bare buttocks on my face I sure wouldn't mind whatever scarlet letter they get. Fucking retards
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2011, 02:05:32 AM
Well, this is not as stupid an application of this law as say against the teen girls who sent around their own nude photos.
If a bunch of faggots forced their bare buttocks on my face I sure wouldn't mind whatever scarlet letter they get. Fucking retards
Going off your hypothetical:
Yes because a couple of gay guys would be desperate enough to want to stick their asses on you. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2011, 02:05:32 AM
Well, this is not as stupid an application of this law as say against the teen girls who sent around their own nude photos.
If a bunch of faggots forced their bare buttocks on my face I sure wouldn't mind whatever scarlet letter they get. Fucking retards
Shut up, gyppo. Besides a gay boy would rather prefer to be sat upon.
Quote from: garbon on July 21, 2011, 02:08:20 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2011, 02:05:32 AM
Well, this is not as stupid an application of this law as say against the teen girls who sent around their own nude photos.
If a bunch of faggots forced their bare buttocks on my face I sure wouldn't mind whatever scarlet letter they get. Fucking retards
Going off your hypothetical:
Yes because a couple of gay guys would be desperate enough to want to stick their asses on you. :rolleyes:
Don't know how many gay guys met Tamas, but I for one wouldn't touch him. I don't go for that greasy mustache and cheap track suit look.
I pinched a nerve, didn't I
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 02:08:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2011, 02:05:32 AM
Well, this is not as stupid an application of this law as say against the teen girls who sent around their own nude photos.
If a bunch of faggots forced their bare buttocks on my face I sure wouldn't mind whatever scarlet letter they get. Fucking retards
Shut up, gyppo. Besides a gay boy would rather prefer to be sat upon.
Not all gays are gimpy bottom toesuckers like you, Marty. Enjoy your brown eye pink eye.
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 02:08:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2011, 02:05:32 AM
Well, this is not as stupid an application of this law as say against the teen girls who sent around their own nude photos.
If a bunch of faggots forced their bare buttocks on my face I sure wouldn't mind whatever scarlet letter they get. Fucking retards
Shut up, gyppo. Besides a gay boy would rather prefer to be sat upon.
Do they liked to be raped as well?
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 06:05:36 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 02:08:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2011, 02:05:32 AM
Well, this is not as stupid an application of this law as say against the teen girls who sent around their own nude photos.
If a bunch of faggots forced their bare buttocks on my face I sure wouldn't mind whatever scarlet letter they get. Fucking retards
Shut up, gyppo. Besides a gay boy would rather prefer to be sat upon.
Do they liked to be raped as well?
You need to understand that since Martinus pays all his lovers, he will have a bit skewed perspective on what they really enjoy.
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Is that what you tell the little children?
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Is that what you tell the little children?
Your mum back yet or has she left you for good? And what about your father? Dead already? I can't wait until they take you out of your basement and lock you away in some facility with no internet access.
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Is that what you tell the little children?
Your mum back yet or has she left you for good? And what about your father? Dead already? I can't wait until they take you out of your basement and lock you away in some facility with no internet access.
It is evident your holiday has calmed you
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2011, 07:27:03 AM
It is evident your holiday has calmed you
:lol:
You've got to understand that the carceral industry is enormous and enormously profitable in the US. Whatever feeds it is good in these times of economic decadence.
G.
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Is that what you tell the little children?
Your mum back yet or has she left you for good? And what about your father? Dead already? I can't wait until they take you out of your basement and lock you away in some facility with no internet access.
You're on holiday. It's only fair that we should be too.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 21, 2011, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Is that what you tell the little children?
Your mum back yet or has she left you for good? And what about your father? Dead already? I can't wait until they take you out of your basement and lock you away in some facility with no internet access.
You're on holiday. It's only fair that we should be too.
:)
He was back home tho.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 21, 2011, 08:33:42 AM
He was back home tho.
Then he can find a couple of tweeners to sit on his face.
Meanwhile, we get a vacation.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 21, 2011, 08:33:42 AM
He was back home tho.
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I...I don't know what that means.
It's like casting pearls before swine
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 21, 2011, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Is that what you tell the little children?
Your mum back yet or has she left you for good? And what about your father? Dead already? I can't wait until they take you out of your basement and lock you away in some facility with no internet access.
You're on holiday. It's only fair that we should be too.
when we get another clean the air/ragequit/i'm back thread i'll blame you.
Quote from: HVC on July 21, 2011, 08:58:20 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 21, 2011, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Is that what you tell the little children?
Your mum back yet or has she left you for good? And what about your father? Dead already? I can't wait until they take you out of your basement and lock you away in some facility with no internet access.
You're on holiday. It's only fair that we should be too.
when we get another clean the air/ragequit/i'm back thread i'll blame you.
I hope we get one. A ragequit full of glitter. And a return 24 hours later.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 21, 2011, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: HVC on July 21, 2011, 08:58:20 AM
when we get another clean the air/ragequit/i'm back thread i'll blame you.
I hope we get one. A ragequit full of glitter. And a return 24 hours later.
Don't you know it.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 21, 2011, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: HVC on July 21, 2011, 08:58:20 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 21, 2011, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Is that what you tell the little children?
Your mum back yet or has she left you for good? And what about your father? Dead already? I can't wait until they take you out of your basement and lock you away in some facility with no internet access.
You're on holiday. It's only fair that we should be too.
when we get another clean the air/ragequit/i'm back thread i'll blame you.
I hope we get one. A ragequit full of glitter. And a return 24 hours later.
I'd be fun, true. But it gets old any whiny fast.
Quote from: HVC on July 21, 2011, 09:24:55 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 21, 2011, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: HVC on July 21, 2011, 08:58:20 AM
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Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Is that what you tell the little children?
Your mum back yet or has she left you for good? And what about your father? Dead already? I can't wait until they take you out of your basement and lock you away in some facility with no internet access.
You're on holiday. It's only fair that we should be too.
when we get another clean the air/ragequit/i'm back thread i'll blame you.
I hope we get one. A ragequit full of glitter. And a return 24 hours later.
I'd be fun, true. But it gets old any whiny fast.
Are you drunk? At this time on a weekday morning?
Quote from: dps on July 21, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Are you drunk? At this time on a weekday morning?
i wish :lol:. i could blame the insane heat, but really i just suck hah
What's next, now public urination would be classified as a sex offense? Actually, now that I think about it, that would put Levi Aron on the list before he killed Leiby Kletzky. :hmm: We should have Leiby's Law now, and put everyone who had a citation for public urination in the sex offender registry.
Quote from: HVC on July 21, 2011, 08:58:20 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 21, 2011, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 06:48:03 AM
It's not rape. It's roleplaying. :contract:
Is that what you tell the little children?
Your mum back yet or has she left you for good? And what about your father? Dead already? I can't wait until they take you out of your basement and lock you away in some facility with no internet access.
You're on holiday. It's only fair that we should be too.
when we get another clean the air/ragequit/i'm back thread i'll blame you.
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Quote from: DGuller on July 21, 2011, 09:44:32 AM
What's next, now public urination would be classified as a sex offense?
....
and put everyone who had a citation for public urination in the sex offender registry.
I don't think we're far off that. :mad:
Quote from: Tamas on July 21, 2011, 02:57:46 AM
I pinched a nerve, didn't I
Yeah. It was down right demeaning to suggest that a gay guy might find you attractive.
Quote from: mongers on July 21, 2011, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 21, 2011, 09:44:32 AM
What's next, now public urination would be classified as a sex offense?
....
and put everyone who had a citation for public urination in the sex offender registry.
I don't think we're far off that. :mad:
We better not be. How many more innocent children have to die before common sense prevails?
Quote from: Martinus on July 21, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
Your mum back yet or has she left you for good? And what about your father? Dead already? I can't wait until they take you out of your basement and lock you away in some facility with no internet access.
How Martinus sees himself. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No%C3%ABl_Coward)
How he thinks the rest of us think of him. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH0SoZNdozs)
What we really think about him. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8433527/First-homosexual-caveman-found.html)
Quote from: mongers on July 21, 2011, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 21, 2011, 09:44:32 AM
What's next, now public urination would be classified as a sex offense?
....
and put everyone who had a citation for public urination in the sex offender registry.
I don't think we're far off that. :mad:
In the town about 30 miles north of my the police tazed a guy who publicly urinating in an alley way.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 06:05:26 PM
Quote from: mongers on July 21, 2011, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 21, 2011, 09:44:32 AM
What's next, now public urination would be classified as a sex offense?
....
and put everyone who had a citation for public urination in the sex offender registry.
I don't think we're far off that. :mad:
In the town about 30 miles north of my the police tazed a guy who publicly urinating in an alley way.
Did the urinating guy inflict any splash damage?
Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 06:05:26 PM
Quote from: mongers on July 21, 2011, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 21, 2011, 09:44:32 AM
What's next, now public urination would be classified as a sex offense?
....
and put everyone who had a citation for public urination in the sex offender registry.
I don't think we're far off that. :mad:
In the town about 30 miles north of my the police tazed a guy who publicly urinating in an alley way.
:rolleyes:
edit:
not to you Raz, at the police.
That's nothing, they tazed a guy who threatening to jump off a bridge. After he was tazed he promptly fell off the bridge. I've posted the video of that a few times. We had a thread where the police in the same town shot a two house pets in a drug bust that yielded no drugs (but did terrify the homeowners children).
And I don't don't know about splash damage. I didn't actually see the incident, my brother was there though. A big crowd protested police idiocy at the city hall.
If only Marti would stay away for 24 hours after a ragequit.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 21, 2011, 06:27:02 PM
If only Marti would stay away for 24 hours after a ragequit.
I don't know, then I'd be the stupidest one here.