Dead on arrival in the House so he must be gambling this will help him more with his base then it will hurt him by inspiring NRA fans to turn out against him. This means he's worried about the enthusiasm of his base, otherwise he would never have risked this.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/07/obama-aide-gun-legislation-in-near-future/1?csp=34news
QuoteObama aide: Gun legislation in 'near future'
By David Jackson, USA TODAY
Updated 1d 14h ago
CAPTION
By Mark Wilson, Getty Images
Six months after the shooting in Tucson that killed six people and wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., the Obama administration has yet to move on new gun control legislation.
That could change soon.
White House spokesman Jay Carney said a special task force has been "working through these complex issues, and we expect to have some more specific announcements in the near future."
Gun control organizations such as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence have pressed the Obama administration since the Giffords shooting and have been critical of what they call a lack of action.
Gun rights advocates such as the National Rifle Association have said the Giffords shooting should not be used as an excuse to infringe on the rights of legitimate gun owners.
Carney said a variety of views are being taken into account as the administration looks at efforts to prevent mass shootings.
"The president directed the attorney general to form working groups with key stakeholders to identify common-sense measures that would improve American safety and security while fully respecting Second Amendment rights," Carney said.
In a March op-ed for the Arizona Daily Star, Obama said he wanted to focus on strengthening background checks so criminals or mentally ill people could not get weapons. He wrote:
I know that every time we try to talk about guns, it can reinforce stark divides. People shout at one another, which makes it impossible to listen. We mire ourselves in stalemate, which makes it impossible to get to where we need to go as a country.
However, I believe that if common sense prevails, we can get beyond wedge issues and stale political debates to find a sensible, intelligent way to make the United States of America a safer, stronger place.
I'm willing to bet that responsible, law-abiding gun owners agree that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few -- dangerous criminals and fugitives, for example -- from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.
I'm willing to bet they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas - that we should check someone's criminal record before he can check out at a gun seller; that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to buy a gun so easily; that there's room for us to have reasonable laws that uphold liberty, ensure citizen safety and are fully compatible with a robust Second Amendment.
That's why our focus right now should be on sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.
Stupid time to be mentioning it, should wait until his second term is secured.
Time to go stock up, I guess. :)
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2011, 07:07:27 AM
Stupid time to be mentioning it, should wait until his second term is secured.
Why waste his second term tilting at windmills either?
I get the insane feeling that Barry owns stock in firearms and ammunition manufacturers. They're the only portion of American industry that is booming, and it's all because of this kind of worthless bullshit.
Quote from: mongers on July 09, 2011, 07:43:22 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 09, 2011, 06:44:51 AM
Dead on arrival in the House so he must be gambling this will help him more with his base then it will hurt him by inspiring NRA fans to turn out against him. This means he's worried about the enthusiasm of his base, otherwise he would never have risked this.
Alternatively he thinks it's the right thing to do. :o
:lmfao:
I don't believe Obama does anything because "he thinks it's the right thing to do". I assume he is in fact utterly amoral, like all modern political figures on both sides of the aisle. :)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 09, 2011, 07:18:29 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2011, 07:07:27 AM
Stupid time to be mentioning it, should wait until his second term is secured.
Why waste his second term tilting at windmills either?
He can actually get some good done then without having to worry about getting re-elected.
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2011, 11:02:40 AM
He can actually get some good done then without having to worry about getting re-elected.
Key words there are get and done. Gun control's about as popular as cuts in Social Security.
Quote from: Caliga on July 09, 2011, 08:45:11 AM
I don't believe Obama does anything because "he thinks it's the right thing to do". I assume he is in fact utterly amoral, like all modern political figures on both sides of the aisle. :)
I've known a fairly large number of politicians (my family is political bunch and I live in a capital city), and most at least try to be moral. I admit it is odd that I know many politicians, due to me not leaving the house very often but it's true.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 09, 2011, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 09, 2011, 08:45:11 AM
I don't believe Obama does anything because "he thinks it's the right thing to do". I assume he is in fact utterly amoral, like all modern political figures on both sides of the aisle. :)
I've known a fairly large number of politicians (my family is political bunch and I live in a capital city), and most at least try to be moral. I admit it is odd that I know many politicians, due to me not leaving the house very often but it's true.
All those politicians have been linked to the insane though.
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2011, 11:02:40 AM
He can actually get some good done then without having to worry about getting re-elected.
Good or evil. Either one is equally possible when you don't have to worry about re-election.
Well, gun nuts seem to be entrenched in their opinion that Obama will take away their guns, and nothing will change their mind. Therefore, I see a limited downside to this move.
Quote from: Caliga on July 09, 2011, 08:45:11 AM
I don't believe Obama does anything because "he thinks it's the right thing to do". I assume he is in fact utterly amoral, like all modern political figures on both sides of the aisle. :)
I think Obamacare was very much motivated by his conception of "the right thing to do." It helps that he had a personal connection with his mom going without insurance and getting sick.
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2011, 01:19:37 PM
Well, gun nuts seem to be entrenched in their opinion that Obama will take away their guns, and nothing will change their mind. Therefore, I see a limited downside to this move.
I can see little upside in it either. It would accomplish little more then wasting time.
I doubt he'll be able to outright fix the US' laws. He didn't totally suceed on health care afterall.
But can he make some improvements? Sure, I think he might well be able to.
Gun manufacturers had a huge boom before Obama took office. This might make another one. Maybe not though. No way anything will be passed in the current environment. These things aren't holding up well in the courts anyway.
Quote from: Caliga on July 09, 2011, 08:45:11 AM
I don't believe Obama does anything because "he thinks it's the right thing to do". I assume he is in fact utterly amoral, like all modern political figures on both sides of the aisle. :)
Actually, I think part of teh Shrubberies problem was that he was not suitably amoral. He did in fact try to do "the right thing".
Quote from: Berkut on July 09, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
Actually, I think part of teh Shrubberies problem was that he was not suitably amoral. He did in fact try to do "the right thing".
I agree, in the sense that he thought that the "right thing to do" always happened to be the thing he wanted to do.
I have never seen any evidence that Bush believed in morals other than the conventional ones he was told to believe in.
I don't understand your last sentence Grumbler. Please elaborate.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 10, 2011, 12:43:52 PM
I don't understand your last sentence Grumbler. Please elaborate.
I am nt sure where I am losing you. Are you familiar with the concept of "conventional morality?" It is essentially the moral reasoning that says that morality is following the law. If the law doesn't apply (say, you are convinced that the Constitution doesn't apply outside the US) then you can do what you want; kidnap people, torture people, lie about what you are doing.
So a "non-conventional" morality is better?
Quote from: Razgovory on July 10, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
So a "non-conventional" morality is better?
I am not sure what that is. Care to explain?
Quote from: Caliga on July 09, 2011, 08:45:11 AM
I don't believe Obama does anything because "he thinks it's the right thing to do". I assume he is in fact utterly amoral, like all modern political figures on both sides of the aisle. :)
They say every nation gets the politicians they deserve.
Quote from: grumbler on July 11, 2011, 07:56:59 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 10, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
So a "non-conventional" morality is better?
I am not sure what that is. Care to explain?
Morality that isn't conventional, I suppose. If we have conventional morality presumably we would have non-conventional morality as well.
Quote from: Berkut on July 09, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
Actually, I think part of teh Shrubberies problem was that he was not suitably amoral. He did in fact try to do "the right thing".
The only good thing about that is that we have fresh examples of why "Compassionate Conservatism" and neoconservatism are expensive & counterproductive.
Speaking of guns, I'm thinking of getting one of those SAIGA shotguns.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 11, 2011, 09:58:08 AM
Speaking of guns, I'm thinking of getting one of those SAIGA shotguns.
If you don't pump it, it's not a shotgun. :mad:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fapplication.denofgeek.com%2Fimages%2Fgb%2Fteach%2Fms.jpg&hash=38e05baad254f14c7184409af7b69704f065bffb)
Quote from: Tonitrus on July 13, 2011, 01:30:16 AM
If you don't pump it, it's not a shotgun. :mad:
Exactly. Get yourself a nice Mossberg or an 870 with a pistol grip and folding stock.
Pump is good. But I like my side by side 12 GA that's over the fire place.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4756/171/54/1569276284/n1569276284_30333489_4397958.jpg)
Quote from: 11B4V on July 13, 2011, 05:19:01 AM
Pump is good. But I like my side by side 12 GA that's over the fire place.
It should be under your bed. And sawed off. Both ways.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 13, 2011, 05:42:49 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on July 13, 2011, 05:19:01 AM
Pump is good. But I like my side by side 12 GA that's over the fire place.
It should be under your bed. And sawed off. Both ways.
True, I guess I can get away with that since I'm 5-O. :lmfao:
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 11, 2011, 09:58:08 AM
Speaking of guns, I'm thinking of getting one of those SAIGA shotguns.
Looks like they've gone way up in price. IIRC, about 10 years ago they were retailing for about half the price I'm seeing wholesale now.
Quote from: derspiess on July 13, 2011, 09:04:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 11, 2011, 09:58:08 AM
Speaking of guns, I'm thinking of getting one of those SAIGA shotguns.
Looks like they've gone way up in price. IIRC, about 10 years ago they were retailing for about half the price I'm seeing wholesale now.
IZHMASH stopped exports for a few months to fill military orders. Plus you gotta pay to fancy them up here.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2011, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 13, 2011, 09:04:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 11, 2011, 09:58:08 AM
Speaking of guns, I'm thinking of getting one of those SAIGA shotguns.
Looks like they've gone way up in price. IIRC, about 10 years ago they were retailing for about half the price I'm seeing wholesale now.
IZHMASH stopped exports for a few months to fill military orders. Plus you gotta pay to fancy them up here.
If they were cheap enough, I'd get their .308 rifle & play around with it to see if I could make it halfway accurate.
I should just get a silenced weapon and astound my friends with it.
OMG! WHY DO YOU NEED A SILENCER? ARE YUO AN ASSASSIN?
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2011, 10:42:20 AM
I should just get a silenced weapon and astound my friends with it.
OMG! WHY DO YOU NEED A SILENCER? ARE YUO AN ASSASSIN?
Can you buy a silencer in your state? A long time ago, before the gangster hysteria in the 1930's, silencers were sometimes required at shooting ranges. They might still be in some countries. I think read something about Finland requiring them.
Aren't silencers highly illegal, at least in some places?
Quote from: DGuller on July 13, 2011, 11:18:58 AM
Aren't silencers highly illegal, at least in some places?
Well technically guns are highly illegal in some places.
Pff. Just make one out of a Pepsi bottle.
OMG ban Pepsi!!!!!11
Quote from: Razgovory on July 13, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2011, 10:42:20 AM
I should just get a silenced weapon and astound my friends with it.
OMG! WHY DO YOU NEED A SILENCER? ARE YUO AN ASSASSIN?
Can you buy a silencer in your state? A long time ago, before the gangster hysteria in the 1930's, silencers were sometimes required at shooting ranges. They might still be in some countries. I think read something about Finland requiring them.
legal in ohio. Just taxed and requiring ATF paperwork.
Silencers are legal in Sweden.
And before some pedantic asshole shows up, yes I know 'suppressor' is a better term. Bite me.
"a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle of stop the sound or report of a firearm" is classified as a prohibited device in the Criminal Code of Canada, and thus its possession is illegal.
Good thing I'm not going to Canada. OR MAYBE I AM.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imfdb.org%2Fw%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F8%2F8b%2FNo_country_for_old_men_2007_685x385.jpg%2F600px-No_country_for_old_men_2007_685x385.jpg&hash=50cf465a7798fd7b13af33c5c84a627683335bc1)
Quote from: Barrister on July 13, 2011, 12:13:26 PM
"a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle of stop the sound or report of a firearm" is classified as a prohibited device in the Criminal Code of Canada, and thus its possession is illegal.
That's pretty gay.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2011, 12:15:42 PM
Good thing I'm not going to Canada. OR MAYBE I AM.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imfdb.org%2Fw%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F8%2F8b%2FNo_country_for_old_men_2007_685x385.jpg%2F600px-No_country_for_old_men_2007_685x385.jpg&hash=50cf465a7798fd7b13af33c5c84a627683335bc1)
Just leave your firearms at home and we'd love to have you. :hug:
Quote from: Barrister on July 13, 2011, 12:13:26 PM
"a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle of stop the sound or report of a firearm" is classified as a prohibited device in the Criminal Code of Canada, and thus its possession is illegal.
:ph34r:
Quote from: Barrister on July 13, 2011, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2011, 12:15:42 PM
Good thing I'm not going to Canada. OR MAYBE I AM.
Just leave your firearms at home and we'd love to have you. :hug:
What if one is going to Canada to hunt moose?
(I know the answer, it just means reams of paperwork)
Quote from: Razgovory on July 13, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
They might still be in some countries. I think read something about Finland requiring them.
Yep, at least that's what I read a couple years ago.
Quote from: Tonitrus on July 13, 2011, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 13, 2011, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2011, 12:15:42 PM
Good thing I'm not going to Canada. OR MAYBE I AM.
Just leave your firearms at home and we'd love to have you. :hug:
What if one is going to Canada to hunt moose?
(I know the answer, it just means reams of paperwork)
:yes:
But since we do work with the border folks, they get a huge number of americans driving across the border with firearms who don't think anything of it.
It was kinda interesting that when I crossed the border into the Yukon, the questions they asked on that...
"Do you have any firearms with you?"
"Nope."
"Do you own any firearms?"
...as if I might have forgotten some. :P
Can you bring a cartoon drawing of a silencer into Canada on your hard drive? :hmm:
Quote from: Tonitrus on July 13, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
It was kinda interesting that when I crossed the border into the Yukon, the questions they asked on that...
"Do you have any firearms with you?"
"Nope."
"Do you own any firearms?"
...as if I might have forgotten some. :P
Sounds sorta like sarcastic incredulity to me. ;)
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2011, 12:15:42 PM
Good thing I'm not going to Canada. OR MAYBE I AM.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imfdb.org%2Fw%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F8%2F8b%2FNo_country_for_old_men_2007_685x385.jpg%2F600px-No_country_for_old_men_2007_685x385.jpg&hash=50cf465a7798fd7b13af33c5c84a627683335bc1)
get a hair cut you hippy anger
Anyway, I think I've waited long enough to get the Glock 19 I've been wanting. Was going to get one in the late winter but then that nut shot Gabrielle Giffords with a Glock 19 and I didn't want anyone to think I admired him or anything. :blush:
Quote from: Barrister on July 13, 2011, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2011, 12:15:42 PM
Good thing I'm not going to Canada. OR MAYBE I AM.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imfdb.org%2Fw%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F8%2F8b%2FNo_country_for_old_men_2007_685x385.jpg%2F600px-No_country_for_old_men_2007_685x385.jpg&hash=50cf465a7798fd7b13af33c5c84a627683335bc1)
Just leave your firearms at home and we'd love to have you. :hug:
What the fuck is that?
A shotgun with a supressor?
You have to be fucking kidding me.
That can is going to fly out wide open with the first shot.
Quote from: Tonitrus on July 13, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
It was kinda interesting that when I crossed the border into the Yukon, the questions they asked on that...
"Do you have any firearms with you?"
"Nope."
"Do you own any firearms?"
...as if I might have forgotten some. :P
They asked if you own any? What do they care if you have some at home in the States anyway?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 14, 2011, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on July 13, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
It was kinda interesting that when I crossed the border into the Yukon, the questions they asked on that...
"Do you have any firearms with you?"
"Nope."
"Do you own any firearms?"
...as if I might have forgotten some. :P
They asked if you own any? What do they care if you have some at home in the States anyway?
The border agent was a young, 20-something, probable Quebecer, who probably wonders what sin he committed to be exiled to a Yukon border station.
Quote from: Siege on July 14, 2011, 09:45:47 PM
What the fuck is that?
A shotgun with a supressor?
You have to be fucking kidding me.
That can is going to fly out wide open with the first shot.
Apparently they actually work to some degree. There are
grenade launchers with suppressor technology.
Quote from: Siege on July 14, 2011, 09:45:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 13, 2011, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2011, 12:15:42 PM
Good thing I'm not going to Canada. OR MAYBE I AM.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imfdb.org%2Fw%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F8%2F8b%2FNo_country_for_old_men_2007_685x385.jpg%2F600px-No_country_for_old_men_2007_685x385.jpg&hash=50cf465a7798fd7b13af33c5c84a627683335bc1)
Just leave your firearms at home and we'd love to have you. :hug:
What the fuck is that?
A shotgun with a supressor?
You have to be fucking kidding me.
That can is going to fly out wide open with the first shot.
Have you not seen Discovery's Sons of Guns?
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 15, 2011, 06:45:50 AM
Have you not seen Discovery's Sons of Guns?
The daughter is ANNOYING.