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Title: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: Martinus on July 02, 2011, 05:55:57 PM
A question I have been considering - do "psychological" addictions (stuff like WoW, or sex, or food, i.e. activities that do not involve an actual purely addictive chemical substances that cause a physiological addiction, like drugs) become a problem only when they start to interfere with your life, or before?

E.g. if I play an online game to feel better (and, conversely, if I don't have time to play an online game, I feel upset), is this already something that should be worrying, or is it not a cause to worry as long as e.g. I don't skip work or sleep etc. to play the online game?
Title: Re: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: The Brain on July 02, 2011, 06:23:08 PM
I think you know the answer.
Title: Re: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: Slargos on July 02, 2011, 06:47:39 PM
.. when you realize 10 years later that you sacrificed your education, your career and your social life to the substance abuse? :unsure:

YMMV.  :hmm:
Title: Re: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: Viking on July 02, 2011, 06:55:04 PM
All addiction is ultimately psychological. Chemical addiction can be treated (either with medicine or time). Alcoholics remain alcoholics (the stereotype is true for the most part) not because their body reacts to alcohol, but rather their psychological addiction is what hooks them if they start drinking again.

My definition would be that any addiction is a problem when it interferes with your desired course of action.
Title: Re: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: mongers on July 02, 2011, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 02, 2011, 05:55:57 PM
A question I have been considering - do "psychological" addictions (stuff like WoW, or sex, or food, i.e. activities that do not involve an actual purely addictive chemical substances that cause a physiological addiction, like drugs) become a problem only when they start to interfere with your life, or before?

E.g. if I play an online game to feel better (and, conversely, if I don't have time to play an online game, I feel upset), is this already something that should be worrying, or is it not a cause to worry as long as e.g. I don't skip work or sleep etc. to play the online game?

Do you ?
Title: Re: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: Ed Anger on July 02, 2011, 07:33:33 PM
I bet Mart balls his tiny hands into impotent fists when he can't load his Sims games.
Title: Re: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: Tonitrus on July 02, 2011, 07:43:32 PM
I always thought that anything one "likes" doing ultimately boils down to being some kind of chemical addiction in the brain...just that one ends up creating that chemical (serotonin, I think?) themselves.
Title: Re: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: CountDeMoney on July 02, 2011, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 02, 2011, 06:23:08 PM
I think you know the answer.

He is such an obvious attention whore, isn't he?
Title: Re: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: garbon on July 02, 2011, 10:37:30 PM
That's the whole point of the DSM. It becomes a disorder once it starts impairing your functioning or causes you to hurt others.
Title: Re: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: Monoriu on July 03, 2011, 02:02:40 AM
When the cost of the addiction becomes too high. 
Title: Re: When does a "psychological" addiction become a problem?
Post by: Norgy on July 03, 2011, 04:34:23 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 02, 2011, 06:55:04 PM
All addiction is ultimately psychological. Chemical addiction can be treated (either with medicine or time). Alcoholics remain alcoholics (the stereotype is true for the most part) not because their body reacts to alcohol, but rather their psychological addiction is what hooks them if they start drinking again.

My definition would be that any addiction is a problem when it interferes with your desired course of action.

Yes. To all parts.

Martinus, you mention doing something to feel good. That's basically self-medication. Now, obviously, a lot of people do very different things to "feel good". Jogging, drinking, coffee, smoking, fucking, eating. Addiction to a smaller or larger degree happens all the time. And most addictions cause very few problems, at least outside of the addict. The science is still being worked out, but basically the theory that has some support in observation is that the release of dopamine connected to a certain behaviour is the mechanism of addiction. If you add a chemical compound like sugar, nicotine , alcohol or opium, the addiction will take a rather different course than if the dopamine release is in connection to physical activity.

As long as you're quite aware of your behavioural patterns, I see no reason to worry a lot. Unless you feel better when worrying. Which will make you addicted to worrying.