This is bad, I could easily see Kim doing ever crazier things in order to prop up support. On the other hand there could be a military coup, which would likely lead to better things eventually.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/27/3253979.htm
QuoteN Korean children begging, army starving
By North Asia correspondent Mark Willacy
Updated Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:06pm AEST
Footage shot inside North Korea and obtained by the ABC has revealed the extent of chronic food shortages and malnutrition inside the secretive state.
The video is some of the most revealing footage ever smuggled out of the impoverished North Korean state.
Shot over several months by an undercover North Korean journalist, the harrowing footage shows images of filthy, homeless and orphaned children begging for food and soldiers demanding bribes.
The footage also shows North Koreans labouring on a private railway track for the dictator's son and heir near the capital Pyongyang.
Strolling up to the site supervisor, the man with the hidden camera asks what is going on.
"This rail line is a present from Kim Jong-il to comrade Kim Jong-un," he is told.
The well-fed Kim Jong-un could soon be ruling over a nation of starving, impoverished serfs.
The video shows young children caked in filth begging in markets, pleading for scraps from compatriots who have nothing to give.
"I am eight," says one boy. "My father died and my mother left me. I sleep outdoors."
Many of the children are orphans; their parents victims of starvation or the gulag.
But markets do exist - private markets that stock bags of rice, pork, and corn. The state no longer has any rations to hand out.
But the state wants its share of this embryonic capitalism.
In the footage, a party official is demanding a stallholder make a donation of rice to the army.
"My business is not good," complains the stallholder.
"Shut up," replies the official. "Don't offer excuses."
It is clear that the all-powerful army - once quarantined from food shortages and famine - is starting to go hungry.
"Everybody is weak," says one young North Korean soldier. "Within my troop of 100 comrades, half of them are malnourished," he said.
Jiro Ishimaru is the man who trained the undercover reporter to use the hidden camera.
"This footage is important because it shows that Kim Jong-il's regime is growing weak," he said.
"It used to put the military first, but now it can't even supply food to its soldiers. Rice is being sold in markets but they are starving. This is the most significant thing in this video."
Kim Jong-il's grip on power depends on the military and if some of its soldiers have growling, empty bellies, it is bad news for the dictator and his hopes for a smooth transition to his son.
"The priority for Kim Jong-il is the succession," said Mr Ishimaru.
"But Kim Jong-un is still very young, just 27 or 28. He doesn't have any experience and hasn't achieved anything. So opposition to a third generation of the Kim family taking over is growing."
But this dynasty of dictators has proven that it is more than capable of keeping its wretched population in line through gulags, hunger and a total control over every aspect of life.
But as this footage shows, occasionally, a crack of light emerges from this dark, dark place.
-Editor's note: The ABC had 24-hour rights to publish the North Korean footage online, so it has now been removed from this story and replaced by a slideshow of still images from the footage.
Hunger is quite the leading cause of rebellion...
Horrible news for the people involved but on a grand scale it is good news. The only potential downside of Kim doing something crazy is him managing to do a bit of damage to Seoul before he's smacked down.
Isn't Timmy within ranger of the Kim-ite howitzers?
Quote from: Viking on July 01, 2011, 08:29:48 AM
Isn't Timmy within ranger of the Kim-ite howitzers?
Missiles yes, not artillery.
Is the missiles start flying at you, remember one cardinal rule: try to not be at the place where they land.
Country town outside of Suwon called Namyang. The only thing of worth is the big Hyundai factory/facility and the Hwaesong city hall (really more like a county seat). I'm about where Hwaseong is marked on the map.
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Quote from: DGuller on July 01, 2011, 09:24:56 AM
Is the missiles start flying at you, remember one cardinal rule: try to not be at the place where they land.
Sound advice! :bowler:
So, the koreans are the kind of people that even starving don't rebel against their oppressors?
Its horrible a people that doesn't rebell until it starts starving.
That tells me they don't value freedom and as long as the dictator give them food, they are happy.
Now, imagine a people that doens't rebell even after they are dying of starvation!
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
So, the koreans are the kind of people that even starving don't rebel against their oppressors?
Its horrible a people that doesn't rebell until it starts starving.
That tells me they don't value freedom and as long as the dictator give them food, they are happy.
Now, imagine a people that doens't rebell even after they are dying of starvation!
I think the NK people are thoroughly cowed by threats, or maybe have so little real idea of the outside world, and/or buy into the NK leadership's ideas that the world is out to get them and that they must pay any price to stand against the bad influences of the outside world. Has to be something difficult for us outside to grasp going on in NK to keep the people down so heavily, for such a long time, regardless of the hardships they face in daily life.
Quote from: KRonn on July 01, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
So, the koreans are the kind of people that even starving don't rebel against their oppressors?
Its horrible a people that doesn't rebell until it starts starving.
That tells me they don't value freedom and as long as the dictator give them food, they are happy.
Now, imagine a people that doens't rebell even after they are dying of starvation!
I think the NK people are thoroughly cowed by threats, or maybe have so little real idea of the outside world, and/or buy into the NK leadership's ideas that the world is out to get them and that they must pay any price to stand against the bad influences of the outside world. Has to be something difficult for us outside to grasp going on in NK to keep the people down so heavily, for such a long time, regardless of the hardships they face in daily life.
Only a coward chooses to starve and live in fear over freedom.
Reminds me of an old saying: "Every people have the goverment they deserve".
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:37:14 PM
Quote from: KRonn on July 01, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
So, the koreans are the kind of people that even starving don't rebel against their oppressors?
Its horrible a people that doesn't rebell until it starts starving.
That tells me they don't value freedom and as long as the dictator give them food, they are happy.
Now, imagine a people that doens't rebell even after they are dying of starvation!
I think the NK people are thoroughly cowed by threats, or maybe have so little real idea of the outside world, and/or buy into the NK leadership's ideas that the world is out to get them and that they must pay any price to stand against the bad influences of the outside world. Has to be something difficult for us outside to grasp going on in NK to keep the people down so heavily, for such a long time, regardless of the hardships they face in daily life.
Only a coward chooses to starve and live in fear over freedom.
Reminds me of an old saying: "Every people have the goverment they deserve".
:huh: Americans deserve a LOT worse.
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:37:14 PM
Quote from: KRonn on July 01, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
So, the koreans are the kind of people that even starving don't rebel against their oppressors?
Its horrible a people that doesn't rebell until it starts starving.
That tells me they don't value freedom and as long as the dictator give them food, they are happy.
Now, imagine a people that doens't rebell even after they are dying of starvation!
I think the NK people are thoroughly cowed by threats, or maybe have so little real idea of the outside world, and/or buy into the NK leadership's ideas that the world is out to get them and that they must pay any price to stand against the bad influences of the outside world. Has to be something difficult for us outside to grasp going on in NK to keep the people down so heavily, for such a long time, regardless of the hardships they face in daily life.
Only a coward chooses to starve and live in fear over freedom.
Reminds me of an old saying: "Every people have the goverment they deserve".
:huh: Americans deserve a LOT worse.
You are a retard.
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:37:14 PM
Quote from: KRonn on July 01, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
So, the koreans are the kind of people that even starving don't rebel against their oppressors?
Its horrible a people that doesn't rebell until it starts starving.
That tells me they don't value freedom and as long as the dictator give them food, they are happy.
Now, imagine a people that doens't rebell even after they are dying of starvation!
I think the NK people are thoroughly cowed by threats, or maybe have so little real idea of the outside world, and/or buy into the NK leadership's ideas that the world is out to get them and that they must pay any price to stand against the bad influences of the outside world. Has to be something difficult for us outside to grasp going on in NK to keep the people down so heavily, for such a long time, regardless of the hardships they face in daily life.
Only a coward chooses to starve and live in fear over freedom.
Reminds me of an old saying: "Every people have the goverment they deserve".
:huh: Americans deserve a LOT worse.
You are a retard.
WTF I'm not a retard.
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:37:14 PM
Quote from: KRonn on July 01, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
So, the koreans are the kind of people that even starving don't rebel against their oppressors?
Its horrible a people that doesn't rebell until it starts starving.
That tells me they don't value freedom and as long as the dictator give them food, they are happy.
Now, imagine a people that doens't rebell even after they are dying of starvation!
I think the NK people are thoroughly cowed by threats, or maybe have so little real idea of the outside world, and/or buy into the NK leadership's ideas that the world is out to get them and that they must pay any price to stand against the bad influences of the outside world. Has to be something difficult for us outside to grasp going on in NK to keep the people down so heavily, for such a long time, regardless of the hardships they face in daily life.
Only a coward chooses to starve and live in fear over freedom.
Reminds me of an old saying: "Every people have the goverment they deserve".
:huh: Americans deserve a LOT worse.
You are a retard.
WTF I'm not a retard.
Are you going to seriously compare the american people, the fought a revolution because of taxes, with the koreans that are starving and still taking it?
You are a fucking retard.
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:37:14 PM
Quote from: KRonn on July 01, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
So, the koreans are the kind of people that even starving don't rebel against their oppressors?
Its horrible a people that doesn't rebell until it starts starving.
That tells me they don't value freedom and as long as the dictator give them food, they are happy.
Now, imagine a people that doens't rebell even after they are dying of starvation!
I think the NK people are thoroughly cowed by threats, or maybe have so little real idea of the outside world, and/or buy into the NK leadership's ideas that the world is out to get them and that they must pay any price to stand against the bad influences of the outside world. Has to be something difficult for us outside to grasp going on in NK to keep the people down so heavily, for such a long time, regardless of the hardships they face in daily life.
Only a coward chooses to starve and live in fear over freedom.
Reminds me of an old saying: "Every people have the goverment they deserve".
:huh: Americans deserve a LOT worse.
You are a retard.
WTF I'm not a retard.
Are you going to seriously compare the american people, the fought a revolution because of taxes, with the koreans that are starving and still taking it?
You are a fucking retard.
Meh. I'm done with this joke.
So German Jews deserved the Nazi's. Got it.
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 02:06:44 PM
Meh. I'm done with this joke.
Siege is many things, but he's not a joke.
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:07:08 PM
So German Jews deserved the Nazi's. Got it.
Siege holds Ashkenazis in contempt, in particular because they let themselves get slaughtered without a fight in Europe, so you didn't really get him with that one.
Quote from: DGuller on July 01, 2011, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:07:08 PM
So German Jews deserved the Nazi's. Got it.
Siege holds Ashkenazis in contempt, in particular because they let themselves get slaughtered without a fight in Europe, so you didn't really get him with that one.
And what about the Jews?
Quote from: DGuller on July 01, 2011, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:07:08 PM
So German Jews deserved the Nazi's. Got it.
Siege holds Ashkenazis in contempt, in particular because they let themselves get slaughtered without a fight in Europe, so you didn't really get him with that one.
I forgot about that but now I remember. :shutup:
I guess the Jews deserved the Arabs and Ottomans then.
There was an article in the Post a few years ago about how the conscripts basically forage/steal their food, and/or spend more time farming and making things to sell on the black market for their superiors than they spend training or doing anything military.
All the food and resources go to the elite and the special forces - everyone else gets to fight over the scraps.
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
I guess the Jews deserved the Arabs and Ottomans then.
Yeah. I'm afraid so.
Israel without the muslim hatred would be a country of faggots and weak european-like semi-man.
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
I guess the Jews deserved the Arabs and Ottomans then.
Yeah. I'm afraid so.
Israel without the muslim hatred would be a country of faggots and weak european-like semi-man.
Could always fight the Europeans.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2011, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
I guess the Jews deserved the Arabs and Ottomans then.
Yeah. I'm afraid so.
Israel without the muslim hatred would be a country of faggots and weak european-like semi-man.
Could always fight the Europeans.
One day.
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2011, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
I guess the Jews deserved the Arabs and Ottomans then.
Yeah. I'm afraid so.
Israel without the muslim hatred would be a country of faggots and weak european-like semi-man.
Could always fight the Europeans.
One day.
I don't mean to scare you but I am trained in the use of the Swedish K.
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2011, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
I guess the Jews deserved the Arabs and Ottomans then.
Yeah. I'm afraid so.
Israel without the muslim hatred would be a country of faggots and weak european-like semi-man.
Could always fight the Europeans.
One day.
I don't mean to scare you but I am trained in the use of the Swedish K.
Which I shall shove up your ass with a message for your leader. A muslim leader in few years, if rumour has it true.
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2011, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
I guess the Jews deserved the Arabs and Ottomans then.
Yeah. I'm afraid so.
Israel without the muslim hatred would be a country of faggots and weak european-like semi-man.
Could always fight the Europeans.
One day.
I don't mean to scare you but I am trained in the use of the Swedish K.
Which I shall shove up your ass with a message for your leader. A muslim leader in few years, if rumour has it true.
What's the message?
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2011, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
I guess the Jews deserved the Arabs and Ottomans then.
Yeah. I'm afraid so.
Israel without the muslim hatred would be a country of faggots and weak european-like semi-man.
Could always fight the Europeans.
One day.
I don't mean to scare you but I am trained in the use of the Swedish K.
Which I shall shove up your ass with a message for your leader. A muslim leader in few years, if rumour has it true.
What's the message?
"We come in Peace"
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 04:31:03 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2011, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2011, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2011, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: chipwich on July 01, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
I guess the Jews deserved the Arabs and Ottomans then.
Yeah. I'm afraid so.
Israel without the muslim hatred would be a country of faggots and weak european-like semi-man.
Could always fight the Europeans.
One day.
I don't mean to scare you but I am trained in the use of the Swedish K.
Which I shall shove up your ass with a message for your leader. A muslim leader in few years, if rumour has it true.
What's the message?
"We come in Peace"
:cheers:
Well-played, the both of ya.
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The north korean army would like that pizza there