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Poll
Question: When making a decision whether to vote for a candidate A from party X in parliamentary elections, do you also take into account that party X is running (elsewhere) a candidate that you despise?
Option 1: Yes (UK, US, Canada, Australia) votes: 4
Option 2: No (UK, US, Canada, Australia) votes: 19
Option 3: Yes (EU) votes: 1
Option 4: No (EU) votes: 4
Option 5: Yes (ROTW) votes: 0
Option 6: No (ROTW) votes: 3
Option 7: No elections in my country (Mono option) votes: 1
Title: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 09:34:15 AM
Ok, so, this is a more specific way of asking a question whether you vote for a guy or a party.

Assume you have to potential candidates A from party X and B from party Y.

You prefer A to B (but not by a long stretch). However, a candidate C (whom you absolutely despise) is also running (elsewhere) from party X. Your vote for candidate A will NOT help C to be elected.

Would the fact that C is running from the same party as A factor at all in your decision to vote for A.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Monoriu on June 16, 2011, 09:34:56 AM
There are elections in HK :contract:
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: HVC on June 16, 2011, 09:37:48 AM
No
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Strix on June 16, 2011, 09:42:48 AM
I always vote for the best candidate. Sometimes that is none of the above when a schmuck is running unopposed.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Razgovory on June 16, 2011, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 16, 2011, 09:34:56 AM
There are elections in HK :contract:

We have them in Missouri as well.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Grey Fox on June 16, 2011, 09:47:25 AM
No, it would make voting impossible.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Valmy on June 16, 2011, 09:49:03 AM
There are only two parties and both are loaded with contemptible scum so I am unable to do so.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: clandestino on June 16, 2011, 09:50:32 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 16, 2011, 09:49:03 AM
There are only two parties and both are loaded with contemptible scum so I am unable to do so.

This. Except that we have 5 parties that count (some more than others though).
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 10:02:43 AM
Btw, my candidate in the upcoming elections this Autumn (and unlike my usual candidates, she is almost certainly getting a seat):

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fakt.pl%2Fm%2FRepozytorium.Podglad.aspx%2F400%2F0%2Ffaktonline%2F634339072746217638.jpg&hash=c35b33a71a7ad4c584717d802cc5c4041e38d79d)
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Zanza on June 16, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
I rarely know the representative that I vote well enough to influence my decision much for so I vote on party preference anyway. If the party is convincing enough despite the despicable person, I'll vote for them.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: Zanza on June 16, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
I rarely know the representative that I vote well enough to influence my decision much for so I vote on party preference anyway. If the party is convincing enough despite the despicable person, I'll vote for them.

Wow that's rather strange. I mean I can understand that when voting for stuff like a city council or regional parliament, but when I am voting for the national parliament, it would be pretty strange not to know who the candidate is and what he represents (even if I may be influenced by his political affiliations too).
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: chipwich on June 16, 2011, 10:21:14 AM
I care very little about party.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Grey Fox on June 16, 2011, 10:26:57 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: Zanza on June 16, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
I rarely know the representative that I vote well enough to influence my decision much for so I vote on party preference anyway. If the party is convincing enough despite the despicable person, I'll vote for them.

Wow that's rather strange. I mean I can understand that when voting for stuff like a city council or regional parliament, but when I am voting for the national parliament, it would be pretty strange not to know who the candidate is and what he represents (even if I may be influenced by his political affiliations too).

Really? You must be the exception. Around here it doesnt really matter what the candidate thinks on anything, they all follow the party line. When they don't, they usually quit.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Zanza on June 16, 2011, 10:36:17 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 10:17:38 AMWow that's rather strange. I mean I can understand that when voting for stuff like a city council or regional parliament, but when I am voting for the national parliament, it would be pretty strange not to know who the candidate is and what he represents (even if I may be influenced by his political affiliations too).
As far as I can tell, most of the politicians basically just follow the party line in virtually all topics, so it's the party, not the individuals that matter. The election system is also built in a way that your party vote matters more than the vote for some individual candidate.

I just looked up who is the representative of my constituency because I couldn't remember. It's a conservative, Roman Catholic gay who works on traffic and education matters. But as far as I can tell from his website and the answers on the some website that allows you to ask your representatives questions, he really just follows the party line in most questions.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 16, 2011, 10:58:37 AM
Nope. I vote for the candidate, not the party.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: garbon on June 16, 2011, 11:22:48 AM
I said yes but I didn't understand the question. :Embarrass:
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on June 16, 2011, 11:27:31 AM
I vote for the person I think will best serve my community, their party affiliation or future co-workers means very little to me.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Josquius on June 16, 2011, 11:55:15 AM
Not really. I vote for policies and parties, not so much candidates.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Ed Anger on June 16, 2011, 12:24:54 PM
I've stopped voting.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Norgy on June 16, 2011, 12:25:40 PM
The PR system here rather makes the party ticket what you vote for in national elections. Municipal elections are somewhat different, and I have considered voting for a party that I despise because of a candidate that I find interesting. However, back a few years ago, you could add a personal vote for a candidate on another ticket. The system was rather confusing, apparently, but at least there was an illusion of influence.

I'd like less party politics on the municipal level, as national issues too often poison the whole affair. Since there's only so much you can actually do at that level, seeking broad support and building compromise are better than arguing irrelevant principles across the aisles.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: Sheilbh on June 16, 2011, 01:10:35 PM
No.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: DGuller on June 16, 2011, 01:31:21 PM
In federal elections, of course.  It really doesn't matter how good of a person a Republican candidate for Senate is these days, party discipline in his party would force him to vote along with the scum I find utterly distasteful, both on personal and ideological levels.  In state and local elections, where party lines are more blurred and more attuned to the local conditions, individuals matter a lot more.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 16, 2011, 01:40:25 PM
Disagree. Doesn't matter how good a party's policies are if their dudes are gonna tweet their junk.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: DGuller on June 16, 2011, 01:42:21 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 16, 2011, 01:40:25 PM
Disagree. Doesn't matter how good a party's policies are if their dudes are gonna tweet their junk.
I disagree.  Some bozo holding his junk doesn't impact me in any way.  Some bozo voting to keep healthcare fucked up does.
Title: Re: Question about voting in popular elections
Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 16, 2011, 01:47:12 PM
Yeah but the guy who tweeted his junk was the guy you voted for. But now he's tweeted his junk and has to resign and be replaced by who the fuck knows.