Horses have of course been used for millenia in warfare. Also, elephants and dogs.
Can you guys think of any others?
[I mean in reality. Anyone publishing artwork of cossacks riding bears or the like will be shot. I'm looking at you, Timmay ... :mad: ]
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Oxen for pulling wagons. Supply animals such as pigs and cattle being carted along to be converted to food when needed. Poisonous animals like frogs have been used for coating weapons like arrowheads in their poison. Birds released before a battle to see which way they would fly so the Augurs could prophecy the battle's outcome.
And various times people have used burning live animals to scrae the shit out of people.
Oh and camels in lieu of horses
cats
Did any of the dolphin/seal military crap ever get used?
Camels, I overlooked that.
I'm not including animals used for food, or oxen used to pull supply wagons. Only those used as it were in the face of the enemy.
Geese for early warning system??
Quote from: The Brain on June 03, 2011, 02:39:35 PM
Geese for early warning system??
Heh not bad ... though possibly legendary. ;)
pidgeons to send messages?
Quote from: viper37 on June 03, 2011, 02:42:32 PM
pidgeons to send messages?
Shooting them was hardly a court-martial offense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_animal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_animal)
found this interesting: "Pliny the Elder wrote about the use of war pigs against elephants. As he relates it, elephants became scared by the squeal of a pig and would panic, bringing disaster to any soldiers who stood in their path of flight."
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2011, 02:38:42 PM
Camels, I overlooked that.
I'm not including animals used for food, or oxen used to pull supply wagons. Only those used as it were in the face of the enemy.
Damn I was going to mention the Sacred Chickens of Rome. How many Roman victories were ensured do to the glorious eating by the Sacred Chickens?
Onagers were used by Sumerians to pull something like a chariot.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on June 03, 2011, 02:45:52 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_animal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_animal)
found this interesting: "Pliny the Elder wrote about the use of war pigs against elephants. As he relates it, elephants became scared by the squeal of a pig and would panic, bringing disaster to any soldiers who stood in their path of flight."
War Pigs. Heh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbxfe7DMxVo
;)
Quote from: Valmy on June 03, 2011, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2011, 02:38:42 PM
Camels, I overlooked that.
I'm not including animals used for food, or oxen used to pull supply wagons. Only those used as it were in the face of the enemy.
Damn I was going to mention the Sacred Chickens of Rome. How many Roman victories were ensured do to the glorious eating by the Sacred Chickens?
Who was the Roman admiral who lost a naval battle against the Cartheginians when the chickens would not eat before the battle and, enraged, he threw them overboard yelling "if they will not eat, then let them drink"? :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2011, 02:54:28 PM
Who was the Roman admiral who lost a naval battle against the Cartheginians when the chickens would not eat before the battle and, enraged, he threw them overboard yelling "if they will not eat, then let them drink"? :lol:
I think he was somebody sorta famous or at least from a famous family...A Claudian perhaps?
Ah yes Wiki says Publius Claudius Pulcher. But then everybody important in Rome around that time seems to be a Claudian.
Quote from: Valmy on June 03, 2011, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2011, 02:54:28 PM
Who was the Roman admiral who lost a naval battle against the Cartheginians when the chickens would not eat before the battle and, enraged, he threw them overboard yelling "if they will not eat, then let them drink"? :lol:
I think he was somebody sorta famous or at least from a famous family...A Claudian perhaps?
Ah yes Wiki says Publius Claudius Pulcher. But then everybody important in Rome around that time seems to be a Claudian.
He's mentioned in "I, Claudius" as a member of the Claudian family.
Quote from: Valmy on June 03, 2011, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2011, 02:54:28 PM
Who was the Roman admiral who lost a naval battle against the Cartheginians when the chickens would not eat before the battle and, enraged, he threw them overboard yelling "if they will not eat, then let them drink"? :lol:
I think he was somebody sorta famous or at least from a famous family...A Claudian perhaps?
Ah yes Wiki says Publius Claudius Pulcher. But then everybody important in Rome around that time seems to be a Claudian.
Pulchers were such a family of trolls. His children (Pulcher and Pulchra) were no better. :D
I can't think of any specific cases but I would think some smart cookies at some point used bees, hornets or snakes set in traps.
There are stories of stampeding herds of cattle being used in western frontier skirmishes. I don't know how authentic they are.
Quote from: Maximus on June 03, 2011, 04:34:17 PM
There are stories of stampeding herds of cattle being used in western frontier skirmishes. I don't know how authentic they are.
Well in film 'Zulu' the British use the cattle to interrupt one of the Zulu attacks, is this 'evidence' ? :unsure:
Goats. Muslims place IEDs inside dead goats, sheep, donkeys, etc.
Quote from: Siege on June 03, 2011, 06:27:34 PM
Goats. Muslims place IEDs inside dead goats, sheep, donkeys, etc.
I forgot about you and the well. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2011, 02:30:51 PM
Horses have of course been used for millenia in warfare. Also, elephants and dogs.
Can you guys think of any others?
[I mean in reality. Anyone publishing artwork of cossacks riding bears or the like will be shot. I'm looking at you, Timmay ... :mad: ]
Fleas, of course. Thanks Japan!
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2011, 02:38:42 PM
I'm not including animals used for food, or oxen used to pull supply wagons.
What about oxen used to move artillery carriages on the battlefield? Pretty much any beast of burden can be used for that in a pinch, I would think, and probably has been. But I know I've read of oxen being used for that purpose for sure.
Anybody mention the experimental bat bomb program?
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Quote from: dps on June 03, 2011, 08:15:13 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2011, 02:38:42 PM
I'm not including animals used for food, or oxen used to pull supply wagons.
What about oxen used to move artillery carriages on the battlefield? Pretty much any beast of burden can be used for that in a pinch, I would think, and probably has been. But I know I've read of oxen being used for that purpose for sure.
Yeah, those would count.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 03, 2011, 08:20:12 PM
Anybody mention the experimental bat bomb program?
IIRC, Hannibal tested catapulting pottery vases filled with venomous snakes on the deck of Roman galleys. Wasn't a success.
Snakes on a mother fucking boat?
Quote from: Drakken on June 06, 2011, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 03, 2011, 08:20:12 PM
Anybody mention the experimental bat bomb program?
IIRC, Hannibal tested catapulting pottery vases filled with venomous snakes on the deck of Roman galleys. Wasn't a success.
"Ewww, crushed snakes! They are trying to gross us out!" :lol:
There is record about using "fire ox" in ancient China. It formed the climax of a famous story about defeating a superior foe in the warring states period. The idea was to put the ox tails on fire and make them charge at the enemy, causing widespread panic.
It is a very popular story in Chinese history. No idea if it had any truth in it.
Oh no, stampeding oxen! Walk for your lives!!!
Malthus, you took some Chinese, right? This is the wiki description about that battle (only available in Chinese).
Quote火牛陣 此時田單趁機收集牛隻，聚得千餘隻，畫上五花彩紋、披上土黃色綢緞、牛角紮了刀和牛尾綁了用油浸過的葦草。田單鑿開城牆十餘口，於夜間布置好，準備了五千士兵，準備好了就放牛出城並且點火在牠們的尾，牛隻疼痛不已，猛力向前衝，突襲燕營，齊壯士五千隨後衝殺。燕軍將士見此，以為神兵天降，田單又聚集婦孺齊敲銅器戰鼓，聲音震天動地，嚇得燕軍將士潰不成軍，騎劫亦死於亂軍之中，田單率兵乘勝追擊，收復了齊國七十餘座城，打敗了燕軍，燕軍一直潰逃到河上。
Heh, the Ox as guided missile. I like it. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on June 06, 2011, 09:31:16 AM
"Ewww, crushed snakes! They are trying to gross us out!" :lol:
They tested it in
Ancients Behaving Badly. Those snakes on the bottom would die crushed but still cushion those above enough so they would survive and slide off the broken vase.
It didn't work on the long run, because after a while it became easy to parry the tactic.
plus i'd assume the snakes would just bite the shit out of eachother and die long before the vase even cracked.
Not sure if you count them among horses, but mules are used for mountain warfare.
Quote from: The Brain on June 03, 2011, 02:36:37 PM
Did any of the dolphin/seal military crap ever get used?
Can't answer that.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 06, 2011, 09:32:50 AM
There is record about using "fire ox" in ancient China. It formed the climax of a famous story about defeating a superior foe in the warring states period. The idea was to put the ox tails on fire and make them charge at the enemy, causing widespread panic.
It is a very popular story in Chinese history. No idea if it had any truth in it.
On a related note, Hannibal tied flaming brands to cattle and stampeded them at night against a Roman force blocking the pass he wanted to use to exit from Campania. That is definitely historical - if you believe Polybius. Or rather, if you believe Polybius' likely sources.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 06, 2011, 09:42:42 AM
Malthus, you took some Chinese, right? This is the wiki description about that battle (only available in Chinese).
Quote火牛陣 此時田單趁機收集牛隻，聚得千餘隻，畫上五花彩紋、披上土黃色綢緞、牛角紮了刀和牛尾綁了用油浸過的葦草。田單鑿開城牆十餘口，於夜間布置好，準備了五千士兵，準備好了就放牛出城並且點火在牠們的尾，牛隻疼痛不已，猛力向前衝，突襲燕營，齊壯士五千隨後衝殺。燕軍將士見此，以為神兵天降，田單又聚集婦孺齊敲銅器戰鼓，聲音震天動地，嚇得燕軍將士潰不成軍，騎劫亦死於亂軍之中，田單率兵乘勝追擊，收復了齊國七十餘座城，打敗了燕軍，燕軍一直潰逃到河上。
QuoteTian Dan took the opportunity to collect array adapters cattle at this time, together have more than a thousand pieces streaky paint color pattern, put on khaki silk, horn bar with a knife and tied oxtail oil impregnated reed. Tiandan scuttling the wall more than the mouth at night, good layout, prepare a five thousand soldiers, ready to cattle out of the city and the fire in their tail, endless pain, cattle, Power forward, Yan raid camp, Qi Then rush thousand warriors. YAN Jun Seeing soldiers, that Airborne, women and children gathered together and knock Tiandan bronze drums, sound crews and earth, scared YAN Jun soldiers defeated, creating chaos among the hijacking has died, Tiandan shuaibing win the recovered Seven Shiyu Zuo Qi City, defeated YAN Jun, YAN Jun has fled to the River.
Hmm, I guess Google Translate needs some work.
On militarized dolphins:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/31/earlyshow/living/petplanet/main808201.shtml
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 07, 2011, 01:17:09 AM
Hmm, I guess Google Translate needs some work.
Online translators do not work with Chinese or Japanese. I thought these translators are totally worthless until I saw a translation from French to English.
Unfortunately it wasn't portrayed in the film, but in the book Black Hawk Down there was a scene where a Somali was riding a donkey Don Quixote-style, charging the Rangers at canter speed. Chewed up like a motherfucker.
Quote from: HVC on June 03, 2011, 02:34:59 PM
Oh and camels in lieu of horses
Yup. Camels have been very popular.
Quote from: grumbler on June 06, 2011, 12:14:45 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 03, 2011, 02:36:37 PM
Did any of the dolphin/seal military crap ever get used?
Can't answer that.
I can.
http://hw.libsyn.com/p/1/c/1/1c1f020637aa9f69/skeptoid-4260.mp3?sid=f7a868e42a98ce44b631d10f855cd1b3&l_sid=17974&l_eid=&l_mid=2591254