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QuoteGay softball league limit on straight players OK'd
By GENE JOHNSON, Associated Press
SEATTLE – A federal judge in Seattle says a gay softball organization can limit the number of heterosexual players on each team.
The North American Gay Amateur Athletic Alliance oversees gay softball leagues in dozens of U.S. cities and runs an annual tournament called the Gay Softball World Series. Three men claim in a lawsuit that their team's second-place finish in the 2008 tournament in Washington state was nullified because they are bisexual, not gay, and thus their team exceeded the limit of two non-gay players.
U.S. District Judge John Coughenour ruled this week that the organization has a First Amendment right to limit the number of heterosexual players. However, the judge did say that questions remain about the way the softball association applied its rule, and so the case can proceed.
Agreed on the free association point--this is the same as the male-only golf club cases. But it does smack of bigotry, and is probably not a good strategic move.
Interesting that the article makes is about straight people when the lawsuit wasn't about them...interesting. :rolleyes:
So are whites-only clubs permissible?
Quote from: garbon on June 03, 2011, 01:15:36 AM
Interesting that the article makes is about straight people when the lawsuit wasn't about them...interesting. :rolleyes:
That's because the article is about the decision, which has to do with straights.
I always wonder how they are going to enforce a rule that discriminates people based on their sexuality. :cool:
Anyway, I find this a rather retarded move on behalf of the organizers. The gay leagues of various kinds were formed because of homophobia among "mainstream" sport organizations, where players could not be openly gay without facing strong ostracism and often being forced to quit. Now that straight and bisexual people want to join, I fail to see why they should be kept out. Homophobic behaviour from such people should not be tolerated, once they join of course, but that's that.
It only makes gay leagues look like some sort of "special olympics" things, where we are afraid that "normal" people would come in and win all the prizes or something. :rolleyes:
Edit: Not to mention, keeping bisexuals out is especially retarded. Whatever happened to LGBTQ?
Quote from: Slargos on June 03, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
So are whites-only clubs permissible?
To paraphrase Mark Twain, I would never join a club that would have you as a member.
As you yourself have amply shown here, the belief that faggotry is some sort of shield against all tendancies towards discrimination and bigotry is erroneous on a level similar to the belief that the world is flat.
Quote from: Slargos on June 03, 2011, 01:46:59 AM
As you yourself have amply shown here, the belief that faggotry is some sort of shield against all tendancies towards discrimination and bigotry is erroneous on a level similar to the belief that the world is flat.
I don't understand your post (even if I correct the typos in my head).
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:45:40 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 03, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
So are whites-only clubs permissible?
To paraphrase Mark Twain, I would never join a club that would have you as a member.
I shall also paraphrase Twain: I hope you're kerb-stomped by a gang of your countrymen's finest.
Quote from: Slargos on June 03, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
So are whites-only clubs permissible?
I believe so. White only businesses, not so much. Personally, I think we could start phasing out laws against refusal to serve in a private business. Since you get really bad publicity refusing to serve someone now, I think that's enough of a deterrent. The laws have served
Quote from: Razgovory on June 03, 2011, 01:49:52 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 03, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
So are whites-only clubs permissible?
I believe so. White only businesses, not so much. Personally, I think we could start phasing out laws against refusal to serve in a private business. Since you get really bad publicity refusing to serve someone now, I think that's enough of a deterrent. The laws have served
The problem is, this may be true in New York City, but not necessarily in rural Kentucky.
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:45:40 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 03, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
So are whites-only clubs permissible?
To paraphrase Mark Twain, I would never join a club that would have you as a member.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong? I mean, I would find that disheartening after a while.
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:52:11 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 03, 2011, 01:49:52 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 03, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
So are whites-only clubs permissible?
I believe so. White only businesses, not so much. Personally, I think we could start phasing out laws against refusal to serve in a private business. Since you get really bad publicity refusing to serve someone now, I think that's enough of a deterrent. The laws have served
The problem is, this may be true in New York City, but not necessarily in rural Kentucky.
Probably rural Kentucky as well.
Also, It seems my power went off and I couldn't finish my original post. Ah well.
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:43:59 AM
It only makes gay leagues look like some sort of "special olympics" things,
lulz, your words, not ours.
QuoteEdit: Not to mention, keeping bisexuals out is especially retarded. Whatever happened to LGBTQ?
I'm sure there's a joke in there about switch hitters somewhere.
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:45:40 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 03, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
So are whites-only clubs permissible?
To paraphrase Mark Twain, I would never join a club that would have you as a member.
Groucho Marx, not Mark Twain.
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:52:11 AM
The problem is, this may be true in New York City, but not necessarily in rural Kentucky.
Why must it always be Kentucky? :rolleyes:
West Virginia is a much more backward state than Kentucky is, FYI. :)
Three men claim in a lawsuit that their team's second-place finish in the 2008 tournament in Washington state was nullified because they are bisexual, not gay, and thus their team exceeded the limit of two non-gay players.
:huh:
Really? Because they're bisexual and not exclusively homosexual they can't play? That is so gay.... :P
Quote from: Caliga on June 03, 2011, 05:31:13 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:52:11 AM
The problem is, this may be true in New York City, but not necessarily in rural Kentucky.
Why must it always be Kentucky? :rolleyes:
West Virginia is a much more backward state than Kentucky is, FYI. :)
That's like comparing Sudan and Uganda. Little relevance to most people.
How do they prove someone is gay, anyway? Are they going to have gayness trials now?
"Sorry, you don't suck enough cock, worship outrageous divas, or know anything about interior design - you are off the team!"
:P
Quote from: Caliga on June 03, 2011, 05:31:13 AM
Why must it always be Kentucky? :rolleyes:
Because you are here to annoy.
Kentucky stayed in the Union so I limit my racist hick jokes to Mississippi.
Quote from: KRonn on June 03, 2011, 09:12:46 AM
Three men claim in a lawsuit that their team's second-place finish in the 2008 tournament in Washington state was nullified because they are bisexual, not gay, and thus their team exceeded the limit of two non-gay players.
:huh:
Really? Because they're bisexual and not exclusively homosexual they can't play? That is so gay.... :P
Using Photoshop to create incriminating pictures of opposing players with women could be key in a tight championship race.
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:45:40 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 03, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
So are whites-only clubs permissible?
To paraphrase Mark Twain, I would never join a club that would have you as a member.
That's alright. You're a Slav, and thus not really white anyways.
Quote from: Caliga on June 03, 2011, 05:31:13 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:52:11 AM
The problem is, this may be true in New York City, but not necessarily in rural Kentucky.
Why must it always be Kentucky? :rolleyes:
West Virginia is a much more backward state than Kentucky is, FYI. :)
To narrow things down a little, Eastern KY is about as bad as it can get. Overall WV is definitely worse, though. Good for them most foreigners don't know it exists.
Quote from: Valmy on June 03, 2011, 09:41:48 AM
Quote from: KRonn on June 03, 2011, 09:12:46 AM
Three men claim in a lawsuit that their team's second-place finish in the 2008 tournament in Washington state was nullified because they are bisexual, not gay, and thus their team exceeded the limit of two non-gay players.
:huh:
Really? Because they're bisexual and not exclusively homosexual they can't play? That is so gay.... :P
Using Photoshop to create incriminating pictures of opposing players with women could be key in a tight championship race.
:lmfao:
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:52:11 AM
The problem is, this may be true in New York City, but not necessarily in Warsaw.
I don't expect those laws apply to Poland anyway. Or anywhere else in Europe except embassies and army bases.
Weird. The gay soccer league in New York has a few straight players, and I'm not sure why you wouldn't let them play unless they were gonna swamp the gays.
Just out of curiosity, are straight softball players better at the game then gay ones?
Every single gay is basically Martinus, deep down. So I'm not surprised at their intolerance and inability to function in society.
How about a whites only basketball league?
Would let white people get a game....
Quote from: garbon on June 03, 2011, 01:15:36 AM
Interesting that the article makes is about straight people when the lawsuit wasn't about them...interesting. :rolleyes:
heh, indeed, that is daft.
This is a stupid rule. If straight people want to play for gay teams let them. Or does this league operate on some weird system where the losers must suck off the winners before a grand post-game shower room orgy?
Heh, didn't know there were enough black people in northern England to dominate all the pickup games.
Quote from: Caliga on June 03, 2011, 05:31:13 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 03, 2011, 01:52:11 AM
The problem is, this may be true in New York City, but not necessarily in rural Kentucky.
Why must it always be Kentucky? :rolleyes:
West Virginia is a much more backward state than Kentucky is, FYI. :)
Having lived in both, I have to disagree. In fact, North Carolina is probably more backward than WV, once you get outside the larger cities.
I'm not sure that I quite understand this part of the article:
QuoteThree men claim in a lawsuit that their team's second-place finish in the 2008 tournament in Washington state was nullified because they are bisexual, not gay, and thus their team exceeded the limit of two non-gay players.
OK, the way that's written, it's saying that the 3 guys are suing to have their own team's accomplishment stricken from the record because they shouldn't have been allowed to play. :wacko: That can't be right, can it? Surely they're claiming that the team that finished 1st was the one that used ineligible players.
Sounds to me like the league wouldn't give them their silver medal or whatever.
That reminds me, my brother is going to be a bride's maid this weekend at someone's wedding.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 03, 2011, 10:11:45 PM
That reminds me, my brother is going to be a bride's maid this weekend at someone's wedding.
Yeah I did that for my sister's wedding. Bride's dude.
But I made her a Grooms chick in mine to return the favor.
Quote from: Valmy on June 03, 2011, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 03, 2011, 10:11:45 PM
That reminds me, my brother is going to be a bride's maid this weekend at someone's wedding.
Yeah I did that for my sister's wedding. Bride's dude.
But I made her a Grooms chick in mine to return the favor.
Well, he's gay so he may dress up.
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2011, 09:26:24 AM
How do they prove someone is gay, anyway? Are they going to have gayness trials now?
"Sorry, you don't suck enough cock, worship outrageous divas, or know anything about interior design - you are off the team!"
:P
Some US states have laws that prevent gay people from adopting (I'm not talking about gay couples, but gay individuals - while single heteros can adopt). Tell me how they do that.
Incidentally, such law could be very well against the European Convention of Human Rights here - not because it discriminates gays, but because laws cannot be drafted in a way that their enforcement violates people's dignity (for grumbler, Raz and other autistic people: this obviously does not apply to criminal law).
Quote from: Faeelin on June 03, 2011, 01:31:01 PM
Weird. The gay soccer league in New York has a few straight players, and I'm not sure why you wouldn't let them play unless they were gonna swamp the gays.
I don't know. I for one wouldn't mind being swamped by straight soccer players. :unsure:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2011, 10:10:10 PM
Sounds to me like the league wouldn't give them their silver medal or whatever.
Yeah, that's how I read it too.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 03, 2011, 07:19:44 PM
Just out of curiosity, are straight softball players better at the game then gay ones?
I think I recall a study saying gaymen, like women, tend to have a worse spatial sense than normal men.
Quote from: Martinus on June 04, 2011, 01:46:05 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2011, 10:10:10 PM
Sounds to me like the league wouldn't give them their silver medal or whatever.
Yeah, that's how I read it too.
Yeah, that would make sense.
If they are just suing to get the trophy, they might lose simply because the court could rule that a trophy from an amateur sports league has no value, therefore no tort has occured. I don't think it's likely outcome, but it's possible.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2011, 07:52:28 PM
Heh, didn't know there were enough black people in northern England to dominate all the pickup games.
Not really no, but then next to nobody over the age of 18 plays basketball at all, was just joking about the US.
Quote from: Martinus on June 04, 2011, 01:42:30 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2011, 09:26:24 AM
How do they prove someone is gay, anyway? Are they going to have gayness trials now?
"Sorry, you don't suck enough cock, worship outrageous divas, or know anything about interior design - you are off the team!"
:P
Some US states have laws that prevent gay people from adopting (I'm not talking about gay couples, but gay individuals - while single heteros can adopt). Tell me how they do that.
Because in several states gays are called "faeries" which are classified under US law as magical spirits. Under the Changeling Act of 1909 it is illegal to grant guardianship of any person under 21 years of age to members of either the Seelie or Unseelie courts.
Quote from: Tyr on June 04, 2011, 06:31:45 AM
Not really no, but then next to nobody over the age of 18 plays basketball at all, was just joking about the US.
It's rare to see people over, say 24ish, on the courts here either. Not because there's anything childish about the game, just that it's hard on the body, all that leaping and twisting around.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 04, 2011, 11:41:39 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 04, 2011, 06:31:45 AM
Not really no, but then next to nobody over the age of 18 plays basketball at all, was just joking about the US.
It's rare to see people over, say 24ish, on the courts here either. Not because there's anything childish about the game, just that it's hard on the body, all that leaping and twisting around.
:huh:
I guess that depends on where you live over here.
Ok, it's not so much the occasion of spotting one is rare, as that 80-90% of the players will be younger.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 04, 2011, 12:21:27 PM
Ok, it's not so much the occasion of spotting one is rare, as that 80-90% of the players will be younger.
I spent a good deal of my childhood in California watch my father and his 30-something friends playing pickup games.
And when there were people there that weren't part of your dad's group?
I dunno, Californians may take better care of themselves than people in other parts of the country. But it is a really demanding game and I'm starting to understand why my dad never wanted to play it with me.
Quote from: Slargos on June 04, 2011, 01:57:10 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 03, 2011, 07:19:44 PM
Just out of curiosity, are straight softball players better at the game then gay ones?
I think I recall a study saying gaymen, like women, tend to have a worse spatial sense than normal men.
I get lost easily. :unsure:
Yes, but that's because you're stupid.
Weak form, and easy target. But all things considered...
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