So, yesterday, after hours, my guard dog, Ozzy, apparently bit someone who was delivering some paperwork from a client to my office. The people admitted that they entered onto the property, while my dogs were on the lawn and barking at them. My dog tore the guys shirt. Now, my dog has torn exactly 3 pieces of clothing, and they were all on large men who were ignoring his warning bark. Mostly, he just jumps up on people.
The man was not injured. His wife called animal control, and they cited me. Then, the wife showed up this morning and cussed me out on the street (she was afraid of my other dog, Birdie, who will lick you to death), and complained about my representation of her friend, and how I was a worthless attorney. I have filed motions today to withdraw from representing this client. I am sending the man and his wife a $50.00 check for his cheap-ass JC Penney shirt, via certified mail, with a letter stating that they are not welcome on my property any more, and that the next time they enter onto it I will charge them with willful trespass.
Fucking amateurs. They fucked with the wrong Marine.
You should write them a contract stating that, should they enter your property, they willfully agree to become food for your dogs, and by opening your letter, they agree to its terms.
Hilarious how dog owners think people should actively work to accommodate their violent and loud pets.
"Oh, he doesn't bite"
"Oh, he's just very excited"
I still have a scar from age 6 when I was bitten in the forehead by a huge and "excited" lab who "just wanted to say hello".
The dog could sense evil slargos. Sadly didn't finish the job.
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 12:02:58 PM
So, yesterday, after hours, my guard dog, Ozzy, apparently bit someone who was delivering some paperwork from a client to my office. The people admitted that they entered onto the property, while my dogs were on the lawn and barking at them. My dog tore the guys shirt. Now, my dog has torn exactly 3 pieces of clothing, and they were all on large men who were ignoring his warning bark. Mostly, he just jumps up on people.
The man was not injured. His wife called animal control, and they cited me. Then, the wife showed up this morning and cussed me out on the street (she was afraid of my other dog, Birdie, who will lick you to death), and complained about my representation of her friend, and how I was a worthless attorney. I have filed motions today to withdraw from representing this client. I am sending the man and his wife a $50.00 check for his cheap-ass JC Penney shirt, via certified mail, with a letter stating that they are not welcome on my property any more, and that the next time they enter onto it I will charge them with willful trespass.
Fucking amateurs. They fucked with the wrong Marine.
I dunno dude - you run a business at your home, and you implicitly invite the public to come on to your property to drop off documents. I think it's your responsibility to ensure that your animals will not harass or bother your clients.
But I think you already know that.
(and I'm speaking as a dog owner - hell someone who even received a "vicious dog" warning from the city :rolleyes:)
After Hours was pretty nice I thought.
After five o'clock, unless you have an appointment, you're a trespasser.
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 12:25:55 PM
After five o'clock, unless you have an appointment, you're a trespasser.
Do you have a sign to that effect? Otherwise I think the implied invitation to enter still applies.
He may not have a sign but he has an audible warning to that effect. It goes "woof woof woof".
Quote from: Caliga on May 12, 2011, 12:30:32 PM
He may not have a sign but he has an audible warning to that effect. It goes "woof woof woof".
Seems like a waste with those dogs around.
Scip is a: contingency planner. :)
QuoteI am sending the man and his wife a $50.00 check for his cheap-ass JC Penney shirt, via certified mail, with a letter stating that they are not welcome on my property any more, and that the next time they enter onto it I will charge them with willful trespass.
Endearing yourself with your constituents for a future judge run, I see. :P
Quote from: The Larch on May 12, 2011, 12:36:36 PM
QuoteI am sending the man and his wife a $50.00 check for his cheap-ass JC Penney shirt, via certified mail, with a letter stating that they are not welcome on my property any more, and that the next time they enter onto it I will charge them with willful trespass.
Endearing yourself with your constituents for a future judge run, I see. :P
:lol: No shit.
Sorry, Scips, but you are totally in the fucking wrong here, as I see it. You need to get rid of, train, or restrain the dogs, or else not run a business out of your home. It is called professionalism.
Quote from: The Larch on May 12, 2011, 12:36:36 PM
QuoteI am sending the man and his wife a $50.00 check for his cheap-ass JC Penney shirt, via certified mail, with a letter stating that they are not welcome on my property any more, and that the next time they enter onto it I will charge them with willful trespass.
Endearing yourself with your constituents for a future judge run, I see. :P
They bought their tickets, they knew the risks. I say, let 'em crash!
Quote from: grumbler on May 12, 2011, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 12, 2011, 12:36:36 PM
QuoteI am sending the man and his wife a $50.00 check for his cheap-ass JC Penney shirt, via certified mail, with a letter stating that they are not welcome on my property any more, and that the next time they enter onto it I will charge them with willful trespass.
Endearing yourself with your constituents for a future judge run, I see. :P
:lol: No shit.
Sorry, Scips, but you are totally in the fucking wrong here, as I see it. You need to get rid of, train, or restrain the dogs, or else not run a business out of your home. It is called professionalism.
What part of after hours do you people not understand?
How far after hours was this? Was it like 5:02pm or something more like 2:30am?
What are your working hours, Scip? :hmm: Do you work work most of the day, or do you "work" most of the day like the Colonel? :)
Quote from: Caliga on May 12, 2011, 01:12:41 PM
What are your working hours, Scip? :hmm: Do you work work most of the day, or do you "work" most of the day like the Colonel? :)
"My visiting hours are 1:00 -2:00 PM, alternate Thursdays. Other times, I release the hounds."
My office is open from 8:30 am to 5:00 pm, Mon through Fri. Whenever I am not in my office, my dogs are outside. It's very obvious when I am not in my office.
The dogs are contained behind an electric in-ground fence. The city makes it almost impossible for me to have an actual fence (months-long permitting process and discretionary shut-down by the city if not compatible with the historical character of the neighborhood).
Very obvious in what way?
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 01:24:55 PM
Very obvious in what way?
The man-eating hounds were the first clue ... ;)
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 01:23:02 PM
My office is open from 8:30 am to 5:00 pm, Mon through Fri. Whenever I am not in my office, my dogs are outside.
So what happens when you are off to court during office hours, people enter at their own risk?
Seems to me if you are running a business out of your home you should have the expectation that "office hours" will not always be strictly observed and you need to govern yourself accordingly.
Quote from: Malthus on May 12, 2011, 01:27:54 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 01:24:55 PM
Very obvious in what way?
The man-eating hounds were the first clue ... ;)
I thought it was the alarm that goes "woof woof woof".
Quote from: The Brain on May 12, 2011, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 12, 2011, 12:30:32 PM
He may not have a sign but he has an audible warning to that effect. It goes "woof woof woof".
Seems like a waste with those dogs around.
I just spilled my coffee, thanks. :lol:
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 01:24:55 PM
Very obvious in what way?
Steel security door with vertical bars.
I have no secretary, etc.
So, when you're in, that door is wide open, and when you're out, it's closed in an obvious way?
I think a pissed off client maybe quite inclined to spread the word around and discourage potential clients from doing business with you. Think about the loss of potential business... :ph34r:
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
So, when you're in, that door is wide open, and when you're out, it's closed in an obvious way?
I submit, your honour, that on the day in question the door was not closed in an obvious way.
Scipio does seem to be demanding of the people who put food on his table. He expects them to read the dog's mind, to read the door's mind, and to properly deduce at which time during the day they're not trespassing. The sum total of these expectations might be a little unreasonable.
On the other hand, the expectation that you're not going to face a dog with a history of violence towards humans when you visit your lawyer does strike me as reasonable to some degree.
I would have shot the fucker. I support Scip in having people mauled.
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 03:14:26 PM
On the other hand, the expectation that you're not going to face a dog with a history of violence towards humans when you visit your lawyer does strike me as reasonable to some degree.
Really, how would they know the difference between that, and the lawyer? :D
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
So, when you're in, that door is wide open, and when you're out, it's closed in an obvious way?
Yes.
Also, my office doesn't have a sign.
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
So, when you're in, that door is wide open, and when you're out, it's closed in an obvious way?
Yes.
Also, my office doesn't have a sign.
If you see a closed door, do you assume that someone is not home, or do you assume that you need to ring the doorbell?
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
So, when you're in, that door is wide open, and when you're out, it's closed in an obvious way?
Yes.
Also, my office doesn't have a sign.
You should probably consider getting a sign.
A $50 shirt isn't really that cheap, either. Also, curious if you send it with a letter indicating that acceptance of the funds was a waiver of rights, with language that they should consult your own attorney before depositing, etc (although I'm not sure that would be effective, I think it would be). I do assume, of course, these people had not retained their own attorney by then.
You've chosen to run a business out of your home. In practice, people are going to assume that you're always available for business purposes.
Quote from: Ideologue on May 12, 2011, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
So, when you're in, that door is wide open, and when you're out, it's closed in an obvious way?
Yes.
Also, my office doesn't have a sign.
You should probably consider getting a sign.
A $50 shirt isn't really that cheap, either. Also, curious if you send it with a letter indicating that acceptance of the funds was a waiver of rights, with language that they should consult your own attorney before depositing, etc (although I'm not sure that would be effective, I think it would be). I do assume, of course, these people had not retained their own attorney by then.
I assume he meant that there was no way the shirt was worth $50, but that's what he was giving him.
Scip, you know you're wrong.
Quote from: katmai on May 12, 2011, 12:12:07 PM
The dog could sense evil slargos. Sadly didn't finish the job.
Sadly you didn't die on your way across the border. :hug:
Quote from: garbon on May 12, 2011, 04:45:07 PM
Scip, you know you're wrong.
Well, it is in Mississippi. A dog barking may carry legal power in that state.
We once had a complaint about the our dog attacking someone while the dog was tied up in the backyard. We couldn't put that dog down fast enough. I hated that dog. <_<
Quote from: Slargos on May 12, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 12, 2011, 12:12:07 PM
The dog could sense evil slargos. Sadly didn't finish the job.
Sadly you didn't die on your way across the border. :hug:
Being born here makes that kinda difficult.
Quote from: Barrister on May 12, 2011, 04:32:20 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on May 12, 2011, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
So, when you're in, that door is wide open, and when you're out, it's closed in an obvious way?
Yes.
Also, my office doesn't have a sign.
You should probably consider getting a sign.
A $50 shirt isn't really that cheap, either. Also, curious if you send it with a letter indicating that acceptance of the funds was a waiver of rights, with language that they should consult your own attorney before depositing, etc (although I'm not sure that would be effective, I think it would be). I do assume, of course, these people had not retained their own attorney by then.
I assume he meant that there was no way the shirt was worth $50, but that's what he was giving him.
Fair enough.
Quote from: katmai on May 12, 2011, 05:40:40 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 12, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 12, 2011, 12:12:07 PM
The dog could sense evil slargos. Sadly didn't finish the job.
Sadly you didn't die on your way across the border. :hug:
Being born here makes that kinda difficult.
Maybe he meant the Canadian border.
Quote from: garbon on May 12, 2011, 04:45:07 PM
Scip, you know you're wrong.
No, I'm not. They had no business being on my property. They were not my clients; it was after business hours. They can fuck off and die in a fire.
Let me be clear: my dog is well trained. He knows exactly how far he can go towards the sidewalk before the electric fence shocks him. He stays well back of that.
Regardless, I apologized to the lady, and in the letter, I apologized to her and her husband again. But when she starts chewing my ass in public about what a piss-poor attorney I am for her friend, which is none of her fucking business, she and her husband can go fuck off and die in a fire.
And since I'm firing the client, they can hire her a new attorney, too. And fuck all three of them with a rusty spoon.
You are firing your client?
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 06:26:32 PM
You are firing your client?
Yeah, I'm not a doctor.
But hell, in Mississippi, doctors and public hospitals can refuse to treat patients in non-emergency situations.
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 12:02:58 PM
I am sending the man and his wife a $50.00 check for his cheap-ass JC Penney shirt, via certified mail, with a letter stating that they are not welcome on my property any more, and that the next time they enter onto it I will charge them with willful trespass.
You adding a mandatory covenant not to sue in that?
Scip: +1 respect
Rest of Languish: Goddamn fucking pussies.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 12, 2011, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 12:02:58 PM
I am sending the man and his wife a $50.00 check for his cheap-ass JC Penney shirt, via certified mail, with a letter stating that they are not welcome on my property any more, and that the next time they enter onto it I will charge them with willful trespass.
You adding a mandatory covenant not to sue in that?
Check says Settlement in full for May 11, 2011. If they want to sue me, the animal control officer was standing right there, and he heard her say that all they wanted was for me to pay for his shirt.
I have a million dollar general liability rider on my property with a 1k deductible. State Farm has the best attorneys in the lower part of the state working for them. They've already told the police they suffered no injuries, because, you know, THEY SUFFERED NO FUCKING INJURIES. RTFT, thanks.
Quote from: The First Post in the Fucking ThreadThe man was not injured.
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 06:27:13 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 06:26:32 PM
You are firing your client?
Yeah, I'm not a doctor.
But hell, in Mississippi, doctors and public hospitals can refuse to treat patients in non-emergency situations.
Ah, must be a pre-civil rights thing.
Out of curiosity, why are you petitioning for removal as counsel when it was just their friend that is a douchebag? Was the friend communicating the enmity of your client, as well as her own? You made it sound like it was just their friend who was an asshole, and the client themself had nothing to do with it...
Not really my business, though, and may be confidential. If so, disregard.
Quote from: RazAh, must be a pre-civil rights thing.
You can fire a client with the leave of the court if something's happened that makes you no longer capable of representing them effectively. If they sent their friend to harangue Scipio about his competence, that would count. That's why I was wondering about whether the client directed or condoned the friend's behavior.
I didn't know that.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 06:43:17 PM
I didn't know that.
It's pretty sensible. Otherwise, you might have an attorney representing someone they may have a grudge against, or someone who they cannot in good conscience effectively represent, which is beneficial neither for the client nor the court. It's one of those rare instances where the Rules of Professional Conduct almost recognizes that attorneys are human.
Quote from: Ideologue on May 12, 2011, 06:41:23 PM
Out of curiosity, why are you petitioning for removal as counsel when it was just their friend that is a douchebag? Was the friend communicating the enmity of your client, as well as her own? You made it sound like it was just their friend who was an asshole, and the client themself had nothing to do with it...
Not really my business, though, and may be confidential. If so, disregard.
Quote from: RazAh, must be a pre-civil rights thing.
You can fire a client with the leave of the court if something's happened that makes you no longer capable of representing them effectively. If they sent their friend to harangue Scipio about his competence, that would count. That's why I was wondering about whether the client directed or condoned the friend's behavior.
This lady told me that my client was bitching to her about what a shitty attorney I am. THat's good enough for me.
Go kick her in the face, then. I think that's sanctioned under the Model Rules.
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 12, 2011, 04:45:07 PM
Scip, you know you're wrong.
No, I'm not. They had no business being on my property. They were not my clients; it was after business hours. They can fuck off and die in a fire.
Let me be clear: my dog is well trained. He knows exactly how far he can go towards the sidewalk before the electric fence shocks him. He stays well back of that.
Regardless, I apologized to the lady, and in the letter, I apologized to her and her husband again. But when she starts chewing my ass in public about what a piss-poor attorney I am for her friend, which is none of her fucking business, she and her husband can go fuck off and die in a fire.
And since I'm firing the client, they can hire her a new attorney, too. And fuck all three of them with a rusty spoon.
I mean I wouldn't hire a hobo attorney either, but...:P
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 06:54:26 PM
This lady told me that my client was bitching to her about what a shitty attorney I am. THat's good enough for me.
Matlock: Retribution
Quote from: Ideologue on May 12, 2011, 06:49:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 06:43:17 PM
I didn't know that.
It's pretty sensible. Otherwise, you might have an attorney representing someone they may have a grudge against, or someone who they cannot in good conscience effectively represent, which is beneficial neither for the client nor the court. It's one of those rare instances where the Rules of Professional Conduct almost recognizes that attorneys are human.
You are already know more about law stuff then Marty.
Martinus could probably write a better contract than I could.
Quote from: Ideologue on May 12, 2011, 10:02:08 PM
Martinus could probably write a better contract than I could.
His courtroom arguments might be more comprehensible too.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 12, 2011, 10:09:20 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on May 12, 2011, 10:02:08 PM
Martinus could probably write a better contract than I could.
His courtroom arguments might be more comprehensible too.
Pavel Chekov, Esq? Yeah, right. Besides, he's too mean: he'd badger the vitness, even if they were the wictim.
Quote from: Ideologue on May 12, 2011, 10:02:08 PM
Martinus could probably write a better contract than I could.
Well possibly in Polish. Even then, I'd be iffy.
Quote from: Scipio on May 12, 2011, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 12, 2011, 04:45:07 PM
Scip, you know you're wrong.
No, I'm not. They had no business being on my property. They were not my clients; it was after business hours. They can fuck off and die in a fire.
Let me be clear: my dog is well trained. He knows exactly how far he can go towards the sidewalk before the electric fence shocks him. He stays well back of that.
Regardless, I apologized to the lady, and in the letter, I apologized to her and her husband again. But when she starts chewing my ass in public about what a piss-poor attorney I am for her friend, which is none of her fucking business, she and her husband can go fuck off and die in a fire.
And since I'm firing the client, they can hire her a new attorney, too. And fuck all three of them with a rusty spoon.
I'd have a doctor check that knee of yours, it seems to jerk quite a lot.