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Title: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: garbon on May 04, 2011, 01:54:10 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden

QuotePresident Barack Obama said Wednesday he's decided not to release death photos of terrorist Osama bin Laden because their graphic nature could incite violence and create national security risks for the United States.

"There's no doubt we killed Osama bin Laden," the president said in an interview with CBS News. Obama said he had seen the death photo and there was no need to release the photograph or gloat. "There's no need to spike the football," he said.

The president said that for anyone who doesn't believe bin Laden is dead, "we don't think that a photograph in and of itself is going to make any difference."

"There are going to be some folks who deny it. The fact of the matter is you won't see Osama bin Laden walking on this earth again," said Obama.

The president made his comments in an interview Wednesday with CBS' "60 Minutes". Presidential spokesman Jay Carney read the president's quotes to reporters in the White House briefing room, ahead of the program's airing.

So how long until it gets wikileaked?
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Caliga on May 04, 2011, 02:17:51 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 04, 2011, 01:54:10 PM
So how long until it gets wikileaked?
Probably less than a week.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: KRonn on May 04, 2011, 02:25:46 PM
The Obama admin is probably just waiting to get bin Laden's birth certificate, for Donald Trump's benefit, to avoid a new 'Trumped-up' conspiracy!    ;)
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: grumbler on May 04, 2011, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: KRonn on May 04, 2011, 02:25:46 PM
The Obama admin is probably just waiting to get bin Laden's birth certificate, for Donald Trump's benefit, to avoid a new 'Trumped-up' conspiracy!    ;)
I think the value of Trump either as a candidate or a false flag is pretty much gone.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Neil on May 04, 2011, 02:38:17 PM
Good.  Those 9/11 widows annoy me.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Josquius on May 04, 2011, 02:40:48 PM
Will he at least release a pre-death photo?
I want to see the look on Bin Laden's face as the US troops burst in...
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: The Brain on May 04, 2011, 02:41:12 PM
They should release it as a screamer.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: KRonn on May 04, 2011, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on May 04, 2011, 02:40:48 PM
Will he at least release a pre-death photo?
I want to see the look on Bin Laden's face as the US troops burst in...
It seems like he must have felt pretty secure, with Pakistani govt support on at least some levels. Otherwise he really was in a rather ostentatious place for someone hiding from much of the world's intel, military and police services.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: The Brain on May 04, 2011, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: KRonn on May 04, 2011, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on May 04, 2011, 02:40:48 PM
Will he at least release a pre-death photo?
I want to see the look on Bin Laden's face as the US troops burst in...
It seems like he must have felt pretty secure, with Pakistani govt support on at least some levels. Otherwise he really was in a rather ostentatious place for someone hiding from much of the world's intel, military and police services.

:huh: It was the last place they looked.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: derspiess on May 04, 2011, 04:43:00 PM
The fake death pictures have been a hoot.  The first one was obviously used from an old bin Laden pic since he had almost no grey in how beard, and the other I saw had him looking oddly like the alien from the alien autopsy video.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Malthus on May 04, 2011, 04:49:33 PM
Did they at least keep his skull?

It would be awesome to have a pic of Obama drinking mead out of bin Laden's skull.  :D
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Slargos on May 04, 2011, 04:52:59 PM
How goddamned convenient.  :rolleyes:

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Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: citizen k on May 04, 2011, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 04, 2011, 04:52:59 PM
How goddamned convenient.  :rolleyes:

Keep your Eurotrash conspiracy theories out of this thread.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: KRonn on May 04, 2011, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 04, 2011, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: KRonn on May 04, 2011, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on May 04, 2011, 02:40:48 PM
Will he at least release a pre-death photo?
I want to see the look on Bin Laden's face as the US troops burst in...
It seems like he must have felt pretty secure, with Pakistani govt support on at least some levels. Otherwise he really was in a rather ostentatious place for someone hiding from much of the world's intel, military and police services.

:huh: It was the last place they looked.
Yeah, that's why I said OBL must have felt secure, with some help from govt friends. He had a place where he could hide out but still have decent surroundings, and apparently withlittle pressure on him. Certainly no one in the know in Pakistan was ratting him out, and likely he would get intel if anyone got close. So I'm thinking he was quite surprised to find US troops paying him a visit.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: dps on May 04, 2011, 08:17:25 PM
Quote from: KRonn on May 04, 2011, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 04, 2011, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: KRonn on May 04, 2011, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on May 04, 2011, 02:40:48 PM
Will he at least release a pre-death photo?
I want to see the look on Bin Laden's face as the US troops burst in...
It seems like he must have felt pretty secure, with Pakistani govt support on at least some levels. Otherwise he really was in a rather ostentatious place for someone hiding from much of the world's intel, military and police services.

:huh: It was the last place they looked.
Yeah, that's why I said OBL must have felt secure, with some help from govt friends. He had a place where he could hide out but still have decent surroundings, and apparently withlittle pressure on him. Certainly no one in the know in Pakistan was ratting him out, and likely he would get intel if anyone got close. So I'm thinking he was quite surprised to find US troops paying him a visit.

Whoosh!
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 04, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 04, 2011, 04:49:33 PM
Did they at least keep his skull?

Ask Hansy when he's back from the mission.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Slargos on May 05, 2011, 01:36:11 AM
Quote from: citizen k on May 04, 2011, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 04, 2011, 04:52:59 PM
How goddamned convenient.  :rolleyes:

Keep your Eurotrash conspiracy theories out of this thread.

;)
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Martinus on May 05, 2011, 02:21:40 AM
This justification sounds like a bit of a stretch. "So we just made a whole show of telling you that we killed Osama, but uh oh we won't show the picture, because that could *really* piss off the terrorists".  :hmm:

Seriously, it's as if they were deliberately fueling conspiracy theories. First the "sea burial", now this.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Slargos on May 05, 2011, 02:24:26 AM
 :lol:

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Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2011, 02:26:50 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 05, 2011, 02:24:26 AM
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These guys look like retarded hicks, so I guess it's a real good find for you Slargs.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Martinus on May 05, 2011, 02:26:59 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 04, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 04, 2011, 04:49:33 PM
Did they at least keep his skull?

Ask Hansy when he's back from the mission.

I wanted to quip about Hansy's girth or his high pitched voice making him quite useless for that kind of mission, but then I thought of Varys. Did Hansy's little birds tell him about Osama's whereabouts?  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Slargos on May 05, 2011, 02:31:18 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2011, 02:26:50 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 05, 2011, 02:24:26 AM
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These guys look like retarded hicks, so I guess it's a real good find for you Slargs.

I need you people to feel at home.  :sleep:
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Tamas on May 05, 2011, 03:04:23 AM
So whats the basis of the conspiracy theories here? That Bin Laden is not dead? He would be jumping up and down on released videos now.

Or that he died a long time ago and the US now? Thats retardism at its finest, to think any US administration would keep the kill in secret, or do not pretend they offed him themselves, and just shelf the fact for later use.

But, if Mart and Slarg want to be the same as the "Elvis lives!" crowd, I say let them.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Slargos on May 05, 2011, 03:11:08 AM
Quote from: Tamas on May 05, 2011, 03:04:23 AM
So whats the basis of the conspiracy theories here? That Bin Laden is not dead? He would be jumping up and down on released videos now.

Or that he died a long time ago and the US now? Thats retardism at its finest, to think any US administration would keep the kill in secret, or do not pretend they offed him themselves, and just shelf the fact for later use.

But, if Mart and Slarg want to be the same as the "Elvis lives!" crowd, I say let them.

It is my esimation that he does in fact live, and is currently plotting his return from his secret base on the dark side of the moon.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: grumbler on May 05, 2011, 06:12:58 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 05, 2011, 03:11:08 AM
It is my esimation that he does in fact live, and is currently plotting his return from his secret base on the dark side of the moon.
I am very much enjoying the new schtick.  PLZ keep it up.  :hug:
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Martinus on May 05, 2011, 06:15:44 AM
Quote from: Tamas on May 05, 2011, 03:04:23 AM
So whats the basis of the conspiracy theories here? That Bin Laden is not dead? He would be jumping up and down on released videos now.

Or that he died a long time ago and the US now? Thats retardism at its finest, to think any US administration would keep the kill in secret, or do not pretend they offed him themselves, and just shelf the fact for later use.

But, if Mart and Slarg want to be the same as the "Elvis lives!" crowd, I say let them.

I never said these conspiracy theories are true. I am just questioning the wisdom of the US government in acting in a way that fuels all these theories, for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Slargos on May 05, 2011, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: grumbler on May 05, 2011, 06:12:58 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 05, 2011, 03:11:08 AM
It is my esimation that he does in fact live, and is currently plotting his return from his secret base on the dark side of the moon.
I am very much enjoying the new schtick.  PLZ keep it up.  :hug:

Thank you. I need your approval.  :hug:
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: grumbler on May 05, 2011, 09:30:12 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 05, 2011, 06:15:44 AM
I never said these conspiracy theories are true. I am just questioning the wisdom of the US government in acting in a way that fuels all these theories, for no apparent reason.
:huh:  "No apparent reason?"  What part of the reasons given made not one of them even apparent to you?
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Caliga on May 05, 2011, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 05, 2011, 06:15:44 AM
I never said these conspiracy theories are true. I am just questioning the wisdom of the US government in acting in a way that fuels all these theories, for no apparent reason.
I think that no matter what the administration does, some nuts will find a way to make it into a conspiracy.  Therefore, they shouldn't be (and aren't, I'm sure) considering that angle when making decisions related to bin Laden or really anything else.

Perfect example:  When Obama released his full birth certificate, one of the major rebuttals was "LOLOLOLL it says CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH not BIRTH CERTIFICIATE!  Fake!!!!!!!!! Crypto-Indonesian-Kenyan-Muslum!11111111"

ummmm, idiots?  Try taking a look at your own birth certificates.  For the hell of it I checked mine (kept in a firesafe in my house), and it reads CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH at the top, too.  Am I: secret nazi muslim negro? :(
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: KRonn on May 05, 2011, 09:36:18 AM
There are pictures and video of men landing on the moon, and still for some people it's a hoax!   :D

I guess pics of OBL's corpse might satisfy some curiosity of people, some pols and some of the media, but for the true conspiracy folks, or others who just want to be contrary, the pics won't matter. 
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Slargos on May 05, 2011, 09:38:06 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 05, 2011, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 05, 2011, 06:15:44 AM
I never said these conspiracy theories are true. I am just questioning the wisdom of the US government in acting in a way that fuels all these theories, for no apparent reason.
I think that no matter what the administration does, some nuts will find a way to make it into a conspiracy.  Therefore, they shouldn't (and aren't, I'm sure) considering that angle when making decisions related to bin Laden or really anything else.


Quite. Post the photo and we'll claim photoshop and note that he's been "killed" before. Don't post the photo and it will be a coverup and he'll resurface again shortly.

Sure, it's quite possible that he's actually in custody rather than dead, but I don't think they'd dare publicize it like this without being damn sure that he'll never float another death-to-america video again.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Josephus on May 05, 2011, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: Tamas on May 05, 2011, 03:04:23 AM
So whats the basis of the conspiracy theories here? That Bin Laden is not dead? He would be jumping up and down on released videos now.

Or that he died a long time ago and the US now? Thats retardism at its finest, to think any US administration would keep the kill in secret, or do not pretend they offed him themselves, and just shelf the fact for later use.

But, if Mart and Slarg want to be the same as the "Elvis lives!" crowd, I say let them.


[Canadian Humour] I'm pretty sure he was recently elected as an NDP member in Quebec. [/canadian humour]
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Josephus on May 05, 2011, 01:19:46 PM
I'm thinking the reason they're not releasing pics is because he's probably shot up pretty bad. Like a full magazine round or two in the noggin.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: derspiess on May 05, 2011, 01:52:14 PM
Quote from: Josephus on May 05, 2011, 01:19:46 PM
I'm thinking the reason they're not releasing pics is because he's probably shot up pretty bad. Like a full magazine round or two in the noggin.

That would surprise me.  SEALs (or any highly trained spec op-type personnel) aren't the type to unload a full mag into someone.  They take precise, aimed shots and I doubt the whole team would have opened up on him.

Having said that, even just a 3-round burst to the head can look pretty damned gruesome.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Siege on May 05, 2011, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 05, 2011, 01:52:14 PM
Quote from: Josephus on May 05, 2011, 01:19:46 PM
I'm thinking the reason they're not releasing pics is because he's probably shot up pretty bad. Like a full magazine round or two in the noggin.

That would surprise me.  SEALs (or any highly trained spec op-type personnel) aren't the type to unload a full mag into someone.  They take precise, aimed shots and I doubt the whole team would have opened up on him.

Having said that, even just a 3-round burst to the head can look pretty damned gruesome.

You don't use 3-rounds burst while clearing rooms. Single shot only.
Besides, all SOCOM weapons have full auto when in burst, not the retarded 3 round burst the regular army M4s have.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Josephus on May 05, 2011, 05:57:45 PM
Whatever. I don't jerk off to gun porn.

My point is that in all likelihood his face was deemed to be pretty gruesome for nightly news in America.

Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Caliga on May 05, 2011, 06:02:47 PM
So were the faces of Uday and Itshay (or whatever his name was) Hussein but they still released those pics. :contract:
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Siege on May 05, 2011, 06:26:37 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 05, 2011, 06:02:47 PM
So were the faces of Uday and Itshay (or whatever his name was) Hussein but they still released those pics. :contract:

Truth.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2011, 05:37:11 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 05, 2011, 06:02:47 PM
So were the faces of Uday and Itshay (or whatever his name was) Hussein but they still released those pics. :contract:

I dunno, all things considered, they weren't all that fucked up.  Apparently most of the side and back of Osama's skull is ventilated.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Ed Anger on May 06, 2011, 05:39:16 AM
Quote from: Josephus on May 05, 2011, 05:57:45 PM
Whatever. I don't jerk off to gun porn.



WTF
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2011, 05:42:08 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 06, 2011, 05:39:16 AM
Quote from: Josephus on May 05, 2011, 05:57:45 PM
Whatever. I don't jerk off to gun porn.



WTF

C'mon, he's a Euro.  Weenies uber alles.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 06, 2011, 06:34:13 AM
I'm trying to remember what this whole fiasco reminds me of... oh, right- hours of school kids bragging about how they'd seen Tupac Shakur's autopsy photos on rotten.com.  I love that feeling of living in a country comprised of morbid high-schoolers. <_<
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: C.C.R. on May 06, 2011, 09:04:48 AM
Duh.  Barry is saving the pic for the stretch run in his reelection campaign.  Focus, people...

:P
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Malthus on May 06, 2011, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: C.C.R. on May 06, 2011, 09:04:48 AM
Duh.  Barry is saving the pic for the stretch run in his reelection campaign.  Focus, people...

:P

Seriously. I was wondering if I was the only one cynical enough to think that the pics will be "leaked" ... right in time to influence the next election.  ;)

This sorta reminds me of the whole birth certificate nonsense. Whatever else Obama is, he's a long-term thinker when it comes to politics. He allowed various opponents to make fools of themselves over this "birther" foolishness until everyone was sick of it ... and only *then* released his birth certificate, demonstrating in the most obvious possible way that they were full of stupid.

Similarly, knowing that the American public has a short attention span but an elephant's memory for avenging injuries, in purely political terms holding back the pics (which can surely make no difference one way or the other to the situation) allows Obama the luxury of releasing them through "leaks" or otherwise at a time of *his* choosing - which may well be when it is most politically advantageous to remind the public that it is *he*, and no other, who was on watch when Osama was hunted down. Allowing his more out-there opponents to, once again, make absurd claims he knows are untrue (and once again proving they are full of stupid) is an added bonus.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Zanza2 on May 06, 2011, 10:22:11 AM
Do photos like this fall under the freedom of information acts? It's not like they actually show anything secret, just gruesome.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Norgy on May 06, 2011, 11:54:57 AM
Osama dead > Janet Jackson nipple slip.

Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: derspiess on May 06, 2011, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 06, 2011, 09:45:53 AM
This sorta reminds me of the whole birth certificate nonsense. Whatever else Obama is, he's a long-term thinker when it comes to politics. He allowed various opponents to make fools of themselves over this "birther" foolishness until everyone was sick of it ... and only *then* released his birth certificate, demonstrating in the most obvious possible way that they were full of stupid.

The birth certificate thing was starting to turn against him, I think.  Thankfully none of his 'serious' political opponents took the bait, save for maybe Shielbh's boy, Huckabee.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2011, 05:53:23 PM
Quote from: Norgy on May 06, 2011, 11:54:57 AM
Osama dead > Janet Jackson nipple slip.

No shit.  Flabby odl 45 year old titty.  Pfft.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: dps on May 06, 2011, 09:22:55 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2011, 05:53:23 PM
Quote from: Norgy on May 06, 2011, 11:54:57 AM
Osama dead > Janet Jackson nipple slip.

No shit.  Flabby odl 45 year old titty.  Pfft.

Yeah.  Now if the nipple slip had come 20 years earlier...
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Alcibiades on May 07, 2011, 03:02:54 AM
I'm willing to bet it is probably because he was executed, and not shot from across the room in self-defense.

Not that I have a problem with that at all, but many would/do.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: DGuller on May 07, 2011, 03:06:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 05, 2011, 02:21:40 AM
This justification sounds like a bit of a stretch. "So we just made a whole show of telling you that we killed Osama, but uh oh we won't show the picture, because that could *really* piss off the terrorists".  :hmm:

Seriously, it's as if they were deliberately fueling conspiracy theories. First the "sea burial", now this.
Maybe Obama is kicking himself for having released his birth certificate too early, or having killed Bin Laden too early for that matter.  Maybe that's exactly what his plan is, to give new fuel to the nuts, and then release the photo right before elections.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Martinus on May 07, 2011, 03:26:57 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 07, 2011, 03:06:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 05, 2011, 02:21:40 AM
This justification sounds like a bit of a stretch. "So we just made a whole show of telling you that we killed Osama, but uh oh we won't show the picture, because that could *really* piss off the terrorists".  :hmm:

Seriously, it's as if they were deliberately fueling conspiracy theories. First the "sea burial", now this.
Maybe Obama is kicking himself for having released his birth certificate too early, or having killed Bin Laden too early for that matter.  Maybe that's exactly what his plan is, to give new fuel to the nuts, and then release the photo right before elections.

Hmm, that would be quite clever. Bait the conspiracy theory nuts until the Republican primaries are over, hoping the candidate they choose is a nut too - and then compromise his position by debunking the theories in several easy moves.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 07, 2011, 03:02:54 AM
I'm willing to bet it is probably because he was executed, and not shot from across the room in self-defense.

Not that I have a problem with that at all, but many would/do.

An entry wound in the back of the head is hardly conclusive evidence of an execution.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Malthus on May 07, 2011, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 07, 2011, 03:26:57 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 07, 2011, 03:06:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 05, 2011, 02:21:40 AM
This justification sounds like a bit of a stretch. "So we just made a whole show of telling you that we killed Osama, but uh oh we won't show the picture, because that could *really* piss off the terrorists".  :hmm:

Seriously, it's as if they were deliberately fueling conspiracy theories. First the "sea burial", now this.
Maybe Obama is kicking himself for having released his birth certificate too early, or having killed Bin Laden too early for that matter.  Maybe that's exactly what his plan is, to give new fuel to the nuts, and then release the photo right before elections.

Hmm, that would be quite clever. Bait the conspiracy theory nuts until the Republican primaries are over, hoping the candidate they choose is a nut too - and then compromise his position by debunking the theories in several easy moves.
:contract: see my post upthread ...
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Bluebook on May 07, 2011, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 07, 2011, 03:02:54 AM
I'm willing to bet it is probably because he was executed, and not shot from across the room in self-defense.

Not that I have a problem with that at all, but many would/do.

An entry wound in the back of the head is hardly conclusive evidence of an execution.

An exit wound in the face on the other hand...

I mean, an entry wound in the back of the head would barely be visible because of all the hair...right?
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: Bluebook on May 07, 2011, 02:17:07 PM
An exit wound in the face on the other hand...

I mean, an entry wound in the back of the head would barely be visible because of all the hair...right?

Same thing.  Exit wound in the face would not be conclusive proof of the execution of a surrendered prisoner.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Bluebook on May 07, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 02:21:39 PM

Same thing.  Exit wound in the face would not be conclusive proof of the execution of a surrendered prisoner.

Perhaps not conclusive proof, but it would be a pretty damning circumstance which would need a pretty good explanation.

Dont get me wrong though, I would have no objection, neither moral nor legal, if he was executed.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: Bluebook on May 07, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
Perhaps not conclusive proof, but it would be a pretty damning circumstance which would need a pretty good explanation.

Disagree.  The compound contained 22 people, many of them armed.  The SEALs were racing against a 30 minute clock.  A team runs into Osama's room, he turns away, possibly either to pick up a weapon or to head to another exit, the good guys are not in a position to hold their fire and bring in an interpreter to negotiate Osama's surrender.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Bluebook on May 07, 2011, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: Bluebook on May 07, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
Perhaps not conclusive proof, but it would be a pretty damning circumstance which would need a pretty good explanation.

Disagree.  The compound contained 22 people, many of them armed.  The SEALs were racing against a 30 minute clock.  A team runs into Osama's room, he turns away, possibly either to pick up a weapon or to head to another exit, the good guys are not in a position to hold their fire and bring in an interpreter to negotiate Osama's surrender.

Look, Im not saying that its impossible to conjure up a scenario in which there would be a good explanation. And I dont want to get into a discussion about how likely scenario 1, 2 or 3 are. Im just saying that a picture of OBL with an exit hole in the face would probably send the arab world into an outrage.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: Bluebook on May 07, 2011, 03:23:41 PM
Look, Im not saying that its impossible to conjure up a scenario in which there would be a good explanation. And I dont want to get into a discussion about how likely scenario 1, 2 or 3 are. Im just saying that a picture of OBL with an exit hole in the face would probably send the arab world into an outrage.

OK.  I thought you meant it would be pretty damning to *you*.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: DGuller on May 07, 2011, 05:08:31 PM
If the SEALs were to execute OBL, wouldn't they be knowledgeable enough to use something with less power than an assault rifle?  I'm sure at least some of them had pistols.  I'm sure they were aware that removing half of OBL's head during his execution was not the ideal scenario for a number of reasons.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 07, 2011, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 07, 2011, 05:08:31 PM
I'm sure they were aware that removing half of OBL's head during his execution was not the ideal scenario for a number of reasons.

Think they drew straws on who got the legs on extraction, or was it the FNG?
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Siege on May 08, 2011, 01:47:32 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 07, 2011, 03:02:54 AM
I'm willing to bet it is probably because he was executed, and not shot from across the room in self-defense.

Not that I have a problem with that at all, but many would/do.

If I had been the triggersqueezer, I would have said "Dubya says hi", and then placed 2 on his head and 2 on his heart.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:01:13 AM
You lie, as a jew you would never be so wasteful with bullets.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Slargos on May 08, 2011, 02:11:18 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:01:13 AM
You lie, as a jew you would never be so wasteful with bullets.

Siegy is a good jew, and knows when it's proper to spend a bit more than strictly necessary.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:13:14 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 08, 2011, 02:11:18 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:01:13 AM
You lie, as a jew you would never be so wasteful with bullets.

Siegy is a good jew, and knows when it's proper to spend a bit more than strictly necessary.  :hmm:
You wouldn't know a good jew if it bit you on the ass.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Slargos on May 08, 2011, 02:14:14 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:13:14 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 08, 2011, 02:11:18 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:01:13 AM
You lie, as a jew you would never be so wasteful with bullets.

Siegy is a good jew, and knows when it's proper to spend a bit more than strictly necessary.  :hmm:
You wouldn't know a good jew if it bit you on the ass.

"it"?  :lol:

Busted.  :lol:
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:17:06 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 08, 2011, 02:14:14 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:13:14 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 08, 2011, 02:11:18 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:01:13 AM
You lie, as a jew you would never be so wasteful with bullets.

Siegy is a good jew, and knows when it's proper to spend a bit more than strictly necessary.  :hmm:
You wouldn't know a good jew if it bit you on the ass.

"it"?  :lol:

Busted.  :lol:
of course i'm trolling, fireblade got me in the mood :perv:
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Slargos on May 08, 2011, 02:28:47 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:17:06 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 08, 2011, 02:14:14 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:13:14 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 08, 2011, 02:11:18 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:01:13 AM
You lie, as a jew you would never be so wasteful with bullets.

Siegy is a good jew, and knows when it's proper to spend a bit more than strictly necessary.  :hmm:
You wouldn't know a good jew if it bit you on the ass.

"it"?  :lol:

Busted.  :lol:
of course i'm trolling, fireblade got me in the mood :perv:


Yeeeeah. "Trolling". That's what I like to hide behind too. We're peas in a pod, you and I.  :hug:
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:34:39 AM
Yes but unlike you I really do have close  Jewish friends!
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Syt on May 08, 2011, 02:38:53 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:34:39 AM
Yes but unlike you I really do have close  Jewish friends!

Ben & Jerry?
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:40:28 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2011, 02:38:53 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:34:39 AM
Yes but unlike you I really do have close  Jewish friends!

Ben & Jerry?
I wish I knew Stiller & Seinfeld!
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Syt on May 08, 2011, 04:26:37 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:40:28 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2011, 02:38:53 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 02:34:39 AM
Yes but unlike you I really do have close  Jewish friends!

Ben & Jerry?
I wish I knew Stiller & Seinfeld!

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: katmai on May 08, 2011, 04:33:48 AM
Sorry Syt but last I heard you are the bigger fatass than I.
I don't eat much ice cream anyways.
:P
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Syt on May 08, 2011, 04:46:48 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 04:33:48 AM
Sorry Syt but last I heard you are the bigger fatass than I.
I don't eat much ice cream anyways.
:P

Well, I probably am - though I don't ice cream much, either. :P
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Alcibiades on May 08, 2011, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 07, 2011, 05:08:31 PM
If the SEALs were to execute OBL, wouldn't they be knowledgeable enough to use something with less power than an assault rifle?  I'm sure at least some of them had pistols.  I'm sure they were aware that removing half of OBL's head during his execution was not the ideal scenario for a number of reasons.

5.56 doesn't cause that much damage/large exit wound in the face areas.   :shutup:

But yes, I assume they did it with a pistol.  My understanding was they shot him basically in the temple right behind the eyes, so it immediately sounded like an execution to me, considering how many people on the television kept mentioning how he no longer had eyes.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2011, 10:47:34 AM
8 ball in the side pocket.  Who cares.

I do hope words were spoken, but I think those SEAL guys are a bit too professional for that.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Tonitrus on May 10, 2011, 02:53:51 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2011, 04:46:48 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 04:33:48 AM
Sorry Syt but last I heard you are the bigger fatass than I.
I don't eat much ice cream anyways.
:P

Well, I probably am - though I don't ice cream much, either. :P

Don't worry, I got you both covered.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: jamesww on May 10, 2011, 09:03:08 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fmultimedia%2Farchive%2F00603%2Fcartoon060511_603702a.jpg&hash=1ed46e7c9cb8481a10b42be1af8072370493bb27)
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Razgovory on May 10, 2011, 11:31:50 AM
Wasn't there a policy during the Bush Administration not to show photos of corpses (they didn't always follow it), but I still remember some talk about it.
Title: Re: Obama says he won't release bin Laden death photo
Post by: Ed Anger on May 10, 2011, 11:52:53 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 10, 2011, 11:31:50 AM
Wasn't there a policy during the Bush Administration not to show photos of corpses (they didn't always follow it), but I still remember some talk about it.

Our corpses. Uday and Qusay, not so much.