http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/11/bagram/index.html
QuoteThe Obama DOJ is now squarely to the Right of an extremely conservative, pro-executive-power, Bush 43-appointed judge on issues of executive power and due-process-less detentions.
Hrmm. It's kind of sad that this doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Where is your commie pinko god now?
Quote from: Scipio on April 13, 2009, 04:47:29 PM
Where is your commie pinko god now?
Obama, Obama, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?
Well, at least Obama isn't all bad.
Good.
If there's any aspect of the Obama Administration that needs to retain its balls other than Defense, it's Justice.
I don't know enough about the law in this sort of case. I normally wait for JR and grumbler to argue for a few pages.
If this is is as described then it's pretty fucking despicable and very disappointing.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 13, 2009, 09:26:25 PM
I don't know enough about the law in this sort of case. I normally wait for JR and grumbler to argue for a few pages.
If this is is as described then it's pretty fucking despicable and very disappointing.
JR and I are, I think, in perfect accord with one another on this issue, and you have summed up our position in paragraph 2.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 13, 2009, 09:26:25 PM
I don't know enough about the law in this sort of case. I normally wait for JR and grumbler to argue for a few pages.
Since JR and grumbler don't have the best interests of the West at heart (one is a Jew and a Democrat, the other is a professional malcontent), I usually wait for them to come to a consensus, and then reflexively oppose it.
It is of course the only sensible position so it is no real surprise. Applying Habeas Corpus to the battlefield is, quite frankly, an utterly insane position (not to mention a violation of the Geneva Convention).
Always remember, all promises by Obama come with an expiration date, usually five minutes after he utters it.
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 13, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
It is of course the only sensible position so it is no real surprise. Applying Habeas Corpus to the battlefield is, quite frankly, an utterly insane position (not to mention a violation of the Geneva Convention).
Define "battlefield."
Quote from: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on April 13, 2009, 10:20:54 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 13, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
It is of course the only sensible position so it is no real surprise. Applying Habeas Corpus to the battlefield is, quite frankly, an utterly insane position (not to mention a violation of the Geneva Convention).
Define "battlefield."
Congress was quite broad in its language when it authorized the use of force after 9-11: It is completely up to the President to make that determination. Congress could limit that authority but I don't see that happening.
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 13, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
It is of course the only sensible position so it is no real surprise. Applying Habeas Corpus to the battlefield is, quite frankly, an utterly insane position (not to mention a violation of the Geneva Convention).
If only there was some sort of status for prisoners captured on a battlefield in the Geneva Convention. Hrmm.
Quote from: Faeelin on April 13, 2009, 10:29:05 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 13, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
It is of course the only sensible position so it is no real surprise. Applying Habeas Corpus to the battlefield is, quite frankly, an utterly insane position (not to mention a violation of the Geneva Convention).
If only there was some sort of status for prisoners captured on a battlefield in the Geneva Convention. Hrmm.
Of course there are, and it is being applied more liberally than we need to.
Alas, there are different status for protected and unprotected categories of combatant, as was explained in quite detail years ago on languish. It is just that the stupid left tends to gloss over those csategories since they find them inconvenient.
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 13, 2009, 10:20:17 PM
Always remember, all promises by Obama come with an expiration date, usually five minutes after he utters it.
Then you should be pleased as punch.
Much of it has simply been his poor style: his amateurish approach to the job, his sanctimonious boorishness, and his inability to claim responsibility.
most of his policy announcement to date have been in this format:
1. Obama sets up a strawman in the form of a "false choice" foistered upon the American people by Bushitler
2. Obama sanctimoniously announces a break with this past and a completely different approach to this issue
3. Obama continues the Bush policy virtually unchanged
4. rinse and repeat
I wonder when liberals are going to catch on to that. Since they're not very smart he can probably pull it off for a few years without them noticing it.
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 13, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
It is of course the only sensible position so it is no real surprise. Applying Habeas Corpus to the battlefield is, quite frankly, an utterly insane position (not to mention a violation of the Geneva Convention).
So...you are pleased with something Obama is doing?! :o
Quote from: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on April 13, 2009, 10:20:54 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 13, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
It is of course the only sensible position so it is no real surprise. Applying Habeas Corpus to the battlefield is, quite frankly, an utterly insane position (not to mention a violation of the Geneva Convention).
Define "battlefield."
Love is a battlefield.
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 13, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
It is of course the only sensible position so it is no real surprise.
It is utterly moronic, and so, as you note, no surprise.
QuoteApplying Habeas Corpus to the battlefield is, quite frankly, an utterly insane position (not to mention a violation of the Geneva Convention).
True, but utterly irrelevant.
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 13, 2009, 10:52:11 PM
Of course there are, and it is being applied more liberally than we need to.
Alas, there are different status for protected and unprotected categories of combatant, as was explained in quite detail years ago on languish. It is just that the stupid left tends to gloss over those csategories since they find them inconvenient.
Protected and unprotected status only applies to prisoners captured while engaged in actual combat, a distinction that the Moronic Right tends to forget because they find it inconvenient.