Instead of just crying that it's impossible, how about they bring out some paperwork to back up their case? Birth, death, tax records etc.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/03/27/new.york.census.challenge/
QuoteNew York City to dispute census numbers
By Leigh Remizowski, CNN
March 28, 2011 -- Updated 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)
New York (CNN) -- City officials will formally challenge the Census Bureau's data for New York City, which Mayor Michael Bloomberg said understated the number of residents in Brooklyn and Queens and overstated the number of vacant housing units in the city.
Although New York was named the most populous city in the country with 8,175,133 residents, its meager 2.1% increase since 2000's census count left many elected officials skeptical that every New Yorker was accounted for.
The Census Bureau reported that Brooklyn's population increased by just 1.6% and Queens grew by just 0.1%, gaining only 1,300 people since 2000.
"That can't be possible," Bloomberg said at a news conference in Queens Sunday, where he announced his intent to dispute the results.
As evidence of this so-called undercount, Bloomberg cited census reports of an increase in vacant housing units and a decrease in population in neighborhoods such as Astoria and Jackson Heights, Queens -- both known for their diverse immigrant communities.
"Everything we know about these neighborhoods tells a different story," he said. "They are vibrant, vital communities. People who have tried to find apartments in these neighborhoods can confirm there just isn't an abundance of vacancies."
Bloomberg suggested that empty housing numbers were "implausibly high" because Census Bureau workers marked homes as vacant if they were unable to contact residents.
Getting an accurate count in densely populated areas is tough for the Census Bureau, and New York especially so. In Queens, more than 140 languages are spoken in the public school system.
But the stakes are high. If the city is successful in its challenge of the census numbers, it could affect the amount of federal aid the city receives.
Census projections of New York City's population released last year estimated that the city was home to about 8.4 million people -- which Bloomberg pointed out amounts to a 225,000-person discrepancy with the current numbers.
The mayor wasn't the only elected official to complain. Sen. Chuck Schumer, a Democrat and resident of Brooklyn, also got in on the act.
"The Census Bureau has never known how to count urban populations and needs to go back to the drawing board," he said in a statement. "It strains credulity to believe that New York City has grown by only 167,000 people over the last decade. To claim that growth over the last decade in Brooklyn was 1.6% and growth in Queens was .1% flies in the face of reality."
It sounds like the city is doing just that, Tim.
Personally, I'm proud to have contributed -1 to the NYC population count. :contract:
Quote from: Faeelin on March 27, 2011, 11:08:04 PM
It sounds like the city is doing just that, Tim.
Tim doesn't read the articles he posts.
Quote from: garbon on March 27, 2011, 11:14:58 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on March 27, 2011, 11:08:04 PM
It sounds like the city is doing just that, Tim.
Tim doesn't read the articles he posts.
I read it, it doesn't say anything like that.
Saying
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"Everything we know about these neighborhoods tells a different story," he said. "They are vibrant, vital communities. People who have tried to find apartments in these neighborhoods can confirm there just isn't an abundance of vacancies."
doesn't equate to breaking out the records. They may do that in the future, but they haven't yet, at least according to the article.
The first sentence states that they will formally challenge and presumably a formal challenge has to provide evidence.
I can't imagine how NYC can keep growing in the long term. Its cost of living is astronomical, even in the outer boroughs. The taxes, between federal, state, local, and sales, are enormous. The quality of life is likewise questionable at best. Without Wall Street siphoning wealth off from the rest of the world, the city would be deep in the dumps.
If you were an illegal immigrant would you fill in a big 'here I am!' form for the government?
Does cenus rhyme with penis?
You spelled "census" wrong, you malignant mogrel.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 28, 2011, 05:33:10 AM
You spelled "census" wrong, you malignant mogrel.
:lol:
Quote from: DGuller on March 27, 2011, 11:09:51 PM
Personally, I'm proud to have contributed -1 to the NYC population count. :contract:
Thanks for providing me a spot! :hug:
Quote from: DGuller on March 27, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
I can't imagine how NYC can keep growing in the long term. Its cost of living is astronomical, even in the outer boroughs. The taxes, between federal, state, local, and sales, are enormous. The quality of life is likewise questionable at best. Without Wall Street siphoning wealth off from the rest of the world, the city would be deep in the dumps.
Prices in the outer borough (well specifically Brooklyn) don't seem out of whack in comparison to other expensive cities in the US. And I think that many people move to New York specifically for the lifestyle/QoL that it offers.
Massachusetts has to give up a House seat due to the new census. Our legislators are scrambling around, trying to figure how/where to redistrict, losing a Federal Representative. Should be entertaining stuff. I predict this to go poorly, with more Federal indictments in the future. :D
Our last three Speakers of the House have come under indictment or have been found guilty, one of them for redistricting issues.
Damn you Cenus! Damn you!
Quote from: garbon on March 28, 2011, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 27, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
I can't imagine how NYC can keep growing in the long term. Its cost of living is astronomical, even in the outer boroughs. The taxes, between federal, state, local, and sales, are enormous. The quality of life is likewise questionable at best. Without Wall Street siphoning wealth off from the rest of the world, the city would be deep in the dumps.
Prices in the outer borough (well specifically Brooklyn) don't seem out of whack in comparison to other expensive cities in the US. And I think that many people move to New York specifically for the lifestyle/QoL that it offers.
Lifestyle? Maybe. Different strokes for different folks.
Quality of life? I don't see it. Living in loud cramped overcrowded quarters is pretty unpleasant regardless of what lifestyle you prefer.
Quote from: DGuller on March 28, 2011, 09:10:57 AM
Quality of life? I don't see it. Living in loud cramped overcrowded quarters is pretty unpleasant regardless of what lifestyle you prefer.
Apparently not considering that many people are willingly selecting it. Besides the situation in the outer boroughs (and again specifically Brooklyn) is not entirely dire like the picture you present. I saw this weekend that if I were to move to the area of Greenpoint nearest to Williamsburg, I could get my pick of roomy two bedroom apartment for about the same cost that I paid for a one bedroom in San Francisco.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 27, 2011, 11:06:27 PM
QuoteNew York (CNN) -- City officials will formally challenge the Census Bureau's data for New York City, which Mayor Michael Bloomberg said understated the number of residents in Brooklyn and Queens and overstated the number of vacant housing units in the city.
Atlanta is considering a similar challenge. The Census Bureau estimated over 500,000 people last year but then came in with an official total of 420,000.
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/184524/40/Census-Atlanta-population-plummets-by-100000
In all probability, every city in the country was somewhat undercounted. It really only matters if some were significantly more undercounted than others.
Has America considered using written records?
Quote from: DGuller on March 27, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
I can't imagine how NYC can keep growing in the long term. Its cost of living is astronomical, even in the outer boroughs. The taxes, between federal, state, local, and sales, are enormous. The quality of life is likewise questionable at best. Without Wall Street siphoning wealth off from the rest of the world, the city would be deep in the dumps.
NYC has some built-in advantages, such as the fact that one of the main alternatives is New Jersey.
More seriously, Brooklyn and Queens compare pretty well in terms of cost-convenience-amenities with equivalent areas in Nassau county.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 28, 2011, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 27, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
I can't imagine how NYC can keep growing in the long term. Its cost of living is astronomical, even in the outer boroughs. The taxes, between federal, state, local, and sales, are enormous. The quality of life is likewise questionable at best. Without Wall Street siphoning wealth off from the rest of the world, the city would be deep in the dumps.
NYC has some built-in advantages, such as the fact that one of the main alternatives is New Jersey.
More seriously, Brooklyn and Queens compare pretty well in terms of cost-convenience-amenities with equivalent areas in Nassau county.
How does it compare with normal parts of the country?
Quote from: The Brain on March 28, 2011, 11:19:51 AM
Has America considered using written records?
Keeping records is no doubt a violation of their rights. Black helicopters and black presidents would take their guns away.
Quote from: The Brain on March 28, 2011, 11:19:51 AM
Has America considered using written records?
but the Democrats love sampling so much, bless their hearts.
Quote from: The Brain on March 28, 2011, 11:19:51 AM
Has America considered using written records?
No scribes allowed!!! :mad:
Bing is also requesting a recount here in Detroit; as our population has fallen from about a million to under 750,000. Even with the decline in population of the state and the continued flight of the black middle class from the city one quarter of the population does seem like too much of a drop. However the previous census record comes from a recount done during the Kwame Kilpatrick administration and there's some concern that the method of counting he used might not have been entirely honest. :unsure: