Damn, what a fucked up situation. 1/8th of the student body attempting suicide in one year and 5 succeeding. :(
Teaching there must be rough.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42093880/ns/health-mental_health/
QuoteIndian youth suicide crisis baffles families, community
On the Fort Peck reservation, five children killed themselves during one school year
updated 3/20/2011 12:55:47 PM ET 2011-03-20T16:55:47
POPLAR, Mont. — Chelle Rose Follette fashioned a noose with her pajamas, tying one end to a closet rod and the other around her neck. When her mother entered the bedroom to put away laundry, she found the 13-year-old hanging.
Ida Follette screamed for her husband, Darrell.
He lifted his child's body, rushed her to the bed and tried to bring her back.
"She was so light, she was so light. And I put her down. I said, 'No, Chelle!'"
But the time had passed for CPR, he said, his voice fading with still raw grief. His wife sat next to him on the couch, sobbing at the retelling.
Here on the Fort Peck Indian Reservation, a spasm of youth suicides had caused alarm and confusion even before Chelle's death.The Follettes had talked with her about other local children who had killed themselves. She had assured her parents that they need not worry about her.
"She always promised that," said Ida as the half-light of the winter afternoon created shadows in the sparsely furnished home. "She said, 'What's going on with these kids, are they stupid or what?'"
Earlier that day last April, Chelle and a friend got drunk after school. Police later told her parents that her blood-alcohol content was .217, nearly three times the legal limit.
Chelle argued with her parents when she came home. They ordered her to lie down, to cool off, to sober up.
The Follettes say Chelle was a happy teen who had been looking forward to her 14th birthday the following week. They believe she was just trying to scare them after their argument, but that in her intoxicated state it became a horrible accident.
"I know in my heart she's in heaven," Ida Follette said, burying her face in her hands. "She didn't mean to do it. I know she didn't kill herself."
But that's how the coroner listed Chelle's death. What he and other authorities examining the suicide outbreak among Native American children cannot easily answer is: Why?
'We're at a loss'
Suicide is the second-leading cause of death behind unintentional injuries among Indian children and young adults, and is on the rise, according to the Indian Health Service. Native Americans ages 10 to 24 killed themselves at more than twice the rate of similarly aged whites, according to the most recent data available from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
On the Fort Peck reservation, five children killed themselves during the 2009-2010 school year at Poplar Middle School — enrollment about 160 — and 20 more of the 7th and 8th graders tried. In the current school year, two young adults have committed suicide, though none at Poplar Middle School.
Emergency teams from the U.S. Public Health Service descended upon Fort Peck last June after Sioux and Assiniboine leaders declared a crisis. The teams provided counseling and mental health services to assist the overworked counselors and strained resources of the reservation.
No suicides were recorded during the 90-day deployment of the federal health team. When they packed their bags in October and left a detailed report with a dozen recommendations, the Indian Health Service declared the crisis had passed — a view repeated to The Associated Press last month by IHS behavioral health director Dr. Rose Weahkee.
But it proved to be only a lull. Two more teenagers killed themselves since October and dozens of other children across the reservation have tried.
"We're at a loss," said Larry Wetsit, a traditional spiritual leader and former tribal chairman.
The Fort Peck reservation sprawls across four counties in northeastern Montana. Poplar, with 880 residents, is the seat of government for the reservation's Sioux and Assiniboine residents. Wolf Point, a community of about 2,500, is some 20 miles west.
Problems on the reservation reflected in schools
Like many reservations, Fort Peck is struggling with high unemployment, estimated to be 28 percent in 2008, and rampant substance abuse. Some 45 percent of the residents live below the poverty level, including half of all children, according to tribal statistics.
The problems of the reservation are already pronounced in the schools. Poplar school officials told the federal health team that more than a third of middle-school students tested positive for sexually transmitted diseases, at least one-fifth of 5th graders drink alcohol weekly and 12 percent of high school girls are pregnant. The dropout rate is 40 percent.
But despite those devastating numbers, there doesn't appear to be a predictable pattern to the suicides. The victims were from broken homes and loving families, they were substance abusers and popular athletes.
Children at Fort Peck Middle School cite bullying and peer pressure as big factors in the deaths of their friends, and they say those issues continue as a daily struggle.
"Let's say that all your emotions are in a glass of water. When somebody bullies you, dump out a little bit. When somebody offers you drugs and you take those drugs, and then somebody tears you down because you used drugs, pour out a little bit. Eventually that glass of water is going to be empty and that's kind of like your self-esteem. You're going to be empty, so you're going to try to commit suicide," said A.J. Hollom, a 14-year-old student.
Bullying comes from kids, adults
Officials warned that bullying comes in many forms — in school hallways and online, from other kids and from adults.
"Some of the suicides, they found out after the fact about the bullying. The bullying from other students, the bullying from staff," said Stacie Crawford, the chief tribal prosecutor.
During a school assembly last September, Poplar Middle School principal Patricia Black separated by name dozens of children in grades 5-7 who were failing at least one class from the rest of the students gathered.
Their parents were enraged, criticizing Black for shaming the children.
The federal response team noted in its report that several children expressed hopelessness and thoughts of self-harm afterward.
Black said she only wanted to give the students a private pep talk on how to improve their grades. "I didn't say that these kids have Fs. I did not say that I was ashamed of them of anything like that," Black told The Associated Press.
The school board voted to keep Black as principal after she apologized to the students.
Some teachers, including Erin Solem, are encouraging students to speak out instead of bottling their emotions. Solem has had them write essays on suicide, bullying and substance abuse, some of which have been published in the local newspaper.
Solem said conditions at the school have improved, but little could compare to last year.
"You got to the point where you look at the kids and you'd be like, who's next? Because there's no rhyme or reason."
No funds to implement possible solutions
The eagerly anticipated report from the federal intervention team landed as a disappointment, detailing problems at the reservation that most everybody already knew: Mental health services are lacking, violent crime rages, people live in dire economic conditions and in broken homes.
"You know there's not even a personal message to us as parents, or to families about how we raise (our children), but to have the audacity to come in here with this large report and say it's community and parents?" said Roxanne Gourneau, a tribal family court judge whose 17-year-old son Dalton shot himself in November. "They don't know our lifestyle and they don't know who's who and what's what."
The report did include some practical recommendations, such as creating a safe house for suicidal kids instead of locking them up in a jail cell. But those ideas weren't accompanied with funding, giving the impoverished community no way to implement them.
The federal deployment cost $241,000, with an additional $50,000 grant from the Department of Education. There is no additional federal money planned to deal with the crisis.
More is needed, said Patty McGeshick, director of the Family Violence Resource Center in Wolf Point. Counselors are still overwhelmed and unable to properly deal with the crisis, she said.
"It's like trying to put a Band-Aid on an infection through your whole body," McGeshick said.
Some families and community leaders have given up on waiting for outside experts. Some are angry.
"I'm going to tell you something: I'm going to get justice for my son," Gourneau said. "The truth is going to be his justice. We were an ironclad family. We took care of our children and we did everything right. And something really bad happened. Yes, he did pull the trigger. But who created the situation where he lost all hope and despaired? Because his family didn't."
Criminal charges for threatening suicide
The resurgence in suicides and attempts on the reservation led the tribe to create a new criminal charge in December called aggravated disorderly conduct. The charge allows prosecutors to detain someone threatening suicide until a mental health specialist can see that person.
The charge has been enforced eight times since Dec. 23, and six of those detained have been teenagers, said tribal prosecutor Crawford.
That's in addition to a monthly average of a dozen suicidal people who are given emergency commitment papers for hospitals in Billings or Minot, N.D., Crawford said. Out of those commitments, she estimated that 40 percent are juveniles.
The children who get charged with aggravated disorderly conduct are those who don't qualify for emergency commitment for whatever reason. Jailing people with suicidal thoughts is obviously not a long-term solution, but it's the best the tribe can do without better services or facilities, Crawford said.
"We're not trying to criminalize them. But nobody else is offering any other alternative," she said, while calling for help in building a mental health facility on the reservation.
On the positive side, a new suicide prevention specialist has been hired, there's a weekly interagency suicide prevention coordination meeting and better services are available for walk-in patients at the tribal clinic, Indian Health Service officials said.
James Melbourne, the Fort Peck tribal health director, declined numerous interview requests from the AP to answer community criticism about his agency's response to the suicides.
"We have chosen not to respond in detail with the media to respect our families and community who are continuing to mourn and grieve," Melbourne wrote in an e-mail.
Losing touch with tradition?
Josh Failing, a student at Poplar Middle School, attempted to commit suicide in 2010, but has since taken under his wing a younger cousin who was being bullied and was contemplating suicide.
Spiritual leaders say the suicides are rooted in an identity crisis that goes to a cultural and spiritual bankruptcy among Indian youth.
Young people have lost touch with tradition, they say. It's a problem that's grown worse with each generation and is a result of the marginalization of Indian people through the reservation system forced upon them by the federal government many decades ago, said Raymond White Tail Feather, a Baptist minister and former tribal chairman.
"The tribes were contained on reservations, and systematically their culture, the way of life, the federal government attempted to destroy this," said White Tail Feather. "When you do that to a people, what comes about is hopelessness."
Spiritual leader Wetsit presides over the Assiniboine Medicine Lodge, where young men and women participate in a right-of-passage ceremony based on prayer, sacrifice and reflection. He said a strong sense of identity, coupled with good morals and an understanding of one's own culture gives strength of character.
But many Indian children are disconnected from that culture and spirituality, compromising that strength of character, he said. He said there is no simple answer.
"It's going to take us a couple of generations to work through all of that because we've got a whole bunch of families that are stuck, and they're not going to just come out of it overnight. There's a lot of healing, there are a lot of issues we've got to take care of," Wetsit said.
His message has reached some young tribal members. Josh Failing, a 14-year-old middle school student who attempted to commit suicide last year, said he has taken under his wing a younger cousin who was being bullied and was contemplating suicide.
Failing started spending more time with his cousin and taking him to traditional ceremonies, including sweat lodge. His cousin is still angry all the time, he said, but he's still here.
"We need positive role models for the kids — leaders — and we don't get much of that," Failing said. "Give those kids examples, and they can give other people examples, and maybe someday this will all stop and we can all be good people once again."
I just found out today that a particular nemesis of mine, who managed to intimidate so many witnesses in the local First Nation community he generally managed to get off on most of his crimes, was killed by an overdose about two months ago.
I'm going to have to check tomorrow, but it was 2-3 serious crimes I was prosecuting that he managed to beat by scaring the witnesses away.
I cheer no man's death, but I really couldn't muster any sympathy for his family (who I, unfortunately, know well).
He overdosed on purpose?
Their country has been stolen from them, their race diluted to within a mere sliver of its former glory and their main source of income is moral turpitude.
Is there really any wonder when they turn to intoxication and suicide?
The elephant is clearly there.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 21, 2011, 01:13:41 AM
Damn, what a fucked up situation. 1/8th of the student body attempting suicide in one year and 5 succeeding. :(
Teaching there must be rough.
Well, they say that smaller classes are easier to handle, and class size seems to be going down, so it's probably getting easier.
Quote from: Barrister on March 21, 2011, 02:00:24 AM
I just found out today that a particular nemesis of mine, who managed to intimidate so many witnesses in the local First Nation community he generally managed to get off on most of his crimes, was killed by an overdose about two months ago.
I'm going to have to check tomorrow, but it was 2-3 serious crimes I was prosecuting that he managed to beat by scaring the witnesses away.
I cheer no man's death, but I really couldn't muster any sympathy for his family (who I, unfortunately, know well).
WTF's that got to do with depressed teenyboppers in Poplar, Montana? Start another thread.
Quote from: dps on March 21, 2011, 05:02:36 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 21, 2011, 01:13:41 AM
Damn, what a fucked up situation. 1/8th of the student body attempting suicide in one year and 5 succeeding. :(
Teaching there must be rough.
Well, they say that smaller classes are easier to handle, and class size seems to be going down, so it's probably getting easier.
:pinch:
Quote"You know there's not even a personal message to us as parents, or to families about how we raise (our children), but to have the audacity to come in here with this large report and say it's community and parents?" said Roxanne Gourneau, a tribal family court judge whose 17-year-old son Dalton shot himself in November. "They don't know our lifestyle and they don't know who's who and what's what."
Yeah, the fucking audacity of those feds coming in and suggesting that kids committing suicide at a rate several times that of anywhere else might have something to do with their community and parents!
Quote"I'm going to tell you something: I'm going to get justice for my son," Gourneau said. "The truth is going to be his justice. We were an ironclad family. We took care of our children and we did everything right. And something really bad happened. Yes, he did pull the trigger. But who created the situation where he lost all hope and despaired? Because his family didn't."
True, his family had nothing to do with him losing hope and despairing.
You know, I would like to have a lot of sympathy for someone who has lost a child in such a manner, but judging from these quotes, they are in some serious denial.
I blame Bush.
Great, thanks. Also society. So, I blame Bush and society.
Quote from: Slargos on March 21, 2011, 03:51:48 AM
Their country has been stolen from them, their race diluted to within a mere sliver of its former glory and their main source of income is moral turpitude.
Yeah, I'm sure the teenagers obsess over that stuff.
I know I am an ignorant white guy who cannot understand this, but I simply do not get why in gods name people stay in places like that. GTFO already.
I get that people care about their culture and heritage, and yeah, the American Indians got the shaft, etc., etc., etc., but...fuck that shit. My family and my kids are a LOT more important to me than any of that. None of that is worth dooming my children to a terrible education and miserable life. Opportunity trumps culture, and there is no greater disservice to your children than not giving them the best opportunity possible.
Get
The
Fuck
Out
:hmm:
I dunno, the Cherokee down in North Carolina living in the Qualla Boundary (Cherokee Reservation) seem pretty happy. I think it's important to develop businesses where one gets wealthy ripping off white trash, though. :) Maybe these dudes in Montana need to try that, or perhaps relocate their sacred lands to Miami or Manhattan or someplace similar where there are more people to rip off. :smarty:
Well sure, if you happen to be somewhere where you've set up a decent gig and hence can give your kids a reasonable opportunity, then you are all good.
Of course, I guess the reality is that most people actually do take my advice, hence the rather paltry populations left on most reservations. I had a friend in college who was American Indian. She was basically offered a large amount of cash if she married a fellow American Indian and was willing to live on the reservation, because there were so few left.
I'm not really sure the idea of an Indian Reservation makes sense any longer. I don't see how they are helped by living on land that is usually worthless and infertile, and living apart from wider society with the inherent lack of education and opportunity.
The Amish do rather well for themselves living in communities that, while separate, aren't on reservations. I think this is in large part because they aren't afraid to pull up stakes and move on to (literally) greener pastures when necessary.
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the reservations in many cases have historical ties to lands that is considered worthwhile and/or sacred. The lands that remained after the Dawes Act in the US was often the worst of the reservation lands, but it was still that with ties.
While I don't buy all the arguments, I do think that the cultural ties to the land are still important and somewhat unfathomable to outsiders. The fact that it also symbolizes rather starkly and openly the decline has a lot to do with it.
But if the land is indeed some sort of sacred center, one that is also shrinking and dying out, it is no surprise that there is the continued malaise.
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2011, 10:58:14 AM
I know I am an ignorant white guy who cannot understand this, but I simply do not get why in gods name people stay in places like that. GTFO already.
I get that people care about their culture and heritage, and yeah, the American Indians got the shaft, etc., etc., etc., but...fuck that shit. My family and my kids are a LOT more important to me than any of that. None of that is worth dooming my children to a terrible education and miserable life. Opportunity trumps culture, and there is no greater disservice to your children than not giving them the best opportunity possible.
Get
The
Fuck
Out
If your background is anything like mine, you're already the product of several generations of people leaving their home to follow opportunity. It's second nature to me to move to follow a better job because that's what my family does.
My wife's family roots go back merely 100 years to a small Alberta town, but you know what, other than my wife, her paretns and sisters all live within 50km of that small town. And now we'll be within 100km of it.
Now imagine an aboriginal person who has centuries of history to a particular place. Imagine that one of the key defining features of your culture is ties to the land. Then also imagine that most of the people you know all stay in this community. Throw in a free house on top of that.
So yeah - personally there's no way in hell I'd stay in almost any first nations community. And I've been to a lot of them. I would, as you say, Get The Fuck Out. And honestly lots of them do that. In particular ones with education and job prospects - once you leave the Rez you likely aren't coming back.
But you can understand why many stay.
Quote from: derspiess on March 21, 2011, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: Slargos on March 21, 2011, 03:51:48 AM
Their country has been stolen from them, their race diluted to within a mere sliver of its former glory and their main source of income is moral turpitude.
Yeah, I'm sure the teenagers obsess over that stuff.
Not necessarily, but it will certainly foster a culture of dispondency and alcoholism which leads to these kinds of things. You need to think bigger. :hmm:
Quote from: Barrister on March 21, 2011, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2011, 10:58:14 AM
I know I am an ignorant white guy who cannot understand this, but I simply do not get why in gods name people stay in places like that. GTFO already.
I get that people care about their culture and heritage, and yeah, the American Indians got the shaft, etc., etc., etc., but...fuck that shit. My family and my kids are a LOT more important to me than any of that. None of that is worth dooming my children to a terrible education and miserable life. Opportunity trumps culture, and there is no greater disservice to your children than not giving them the best opportunity possible.
Get
The
Fuck
Out
If your background is anything like mine, you're already the product of several generations of people leaving their home to follow opportunity. It's second nature to me to move to follow a better job because that's what my family does.
My wife's family roots go back merely 100 years to a small Alberta town, but you know what, other than my wife, her paretns and sisters all live within 50km of that small town. And now we'll be within 100km of it.
Now imagine an aboriginal person who has centuries of history to a particular place. Imagine that one of the key defining features of your culture is ties to the land. Then also imagine that most of the people you know all stay in this community. Throw in a free house on top of that.
So yeah - personally there's no way in hell I'd stay in almost any first nations community. And I've been to a lot of them. I would, as you say, Get The Fuck Out. And honestly lots of them do that. In particular ones with education and job prospects - once you leave the Rez you likely aren't coming back.
But you can understand why many stay.
Those who have the ability to "GTFO" probably already have, thus weeding the go-getters out of the community. :hmm:
Quote from: Barrister on March 21, 2011, 12:22:37 PM
If your background is anything like mine, you're already the product of several generations of people leaving their home to follow opportunity. It's second nature to me to move to follow a better job because that's what my family does.
My paternal line left their homes to avoid being killed. :) Pesky Papists and their damn Counter-Reformation.
Quote from: Slargos on March 21, 2011, 01:58:47 PM
Those who have the ability to "GTFO" probably already have, thus weeding the go-getters out of the community. :hmm:
I'm not sure that's the case. I remember in a middle school when an accomplished native american author came and she was still living on the reservation while simultaneously deploring the conditions.
You know, where I grew up, most of us, if we had come home drunk at age 13, might well not have gotten the opportunity to kill ourselves--our parents would have done it for us. Those who wouldn't have to worry about that, their parents were probably too drunk themselves to notice. Now I'm not saying that this kid's parents are drunkards, but it's a fact that alcoholism is epidemic on reservations, and anywhere with a lot of alcoholism is likely to have a higher than average suicide rate.
Quote from: Caliga on March 21, 2011, 02:13:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 21, 2011, 12:22:37 PM
If your background is anything like mine, you're already the product of several generations of people leaving their home to follow opportunity. It's second nature to me to move to follow a better job because that's what my family does.
My paternal line left their homes to avoid being killed. :) Pesky Papists and their damn Counter-Reformation.
Wish we had finished the job. <_<
I don't understand why suicide requires a response. It is a life choice. A stupid choice, but still a choice. If someone doesn't want to live, then, so be it.
Suicide happens a lot among school children in HK too. I think they tend to happen in streaks. One person jumps from the roof, followed by lots of media coverage, followed by more suicides.
Quote from: Monoriu on March 21, 2011, 10:13:19 PM
I don't understand why suicide requires a response. It is a life choice. A stupid choice, but still a choice. If someone doesn't want to live, then, so be it.
Suicide happens a lot among school children in HK too. I think they tend to happen in streaks. One person jumps from the roof, followed by lots of media coverage, followed by more suicides.
Because suicides are a major mental health problem? Or because people deciding to kill themselves are rarely making a rational decision, and are usually suffering from a mental issue impacting their decision-making? I swear, Mono, sometimes your shtick crosses form being amusing to being offensively inhumane.
Quote from: DGuller on March 21, 2011, 10:20:50 PM
Because suicides are a major mental health problem? Or because people deciding to kill themselves are rarely making a rational decision, and are usually suffering from a mental issue impacting their decision-making? I swear, Mono, sometimes your shtick crosses form being amusing to being offensively inhumane.
Is it really our place to judge whether another human being is making a rational decision?
Quote from: Monoriu on March 21, 2011, 11:10:09 PM
Is it really our place to judge whether another human being is making a rational decision?
:lol:
Oh wai...you serious, bro?
Quote from: garbon on March 21, 2011, 11:16:30 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 21, 2011, 11:10:09 PM
Is it really our place to judge whether another human being is making a rational decision?
:lol:
Oh wai...you serious, bro?
:huh:
Yeah I am serious. I myself firmly believe that it is crazy to commit suicide. But I also see that suicide could be a rational decision from another person's point of view.
Quote from: Monoriu on March 21, 2011, 11:19:54 PM
:huh:
Yeah I am serious. I myself firmly believe that it is crazy to commit suicide. But I also see that suicide could be a rational decision from another person's point of view.
So there's no actual truth, just whatever we each make of it?
No, that's "No fate but what we make."
You were destined to say that.
At any rate, I think it seems very odd to assume that a person who commits suicide was thinking rationally rather than they had lost perspective.
Quote from: Monoriu on March 21, 2011, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 21, 2011, 10:20:50 PM
Because suicides are a major mental health problem? Or because people deciding to kill themselves are rarely making a rational decision, and are usually suffering from a mental issue impacting their decision-making? I swear, Mono, sometimes your shtick crosses form being amusing to being offensively inhumane.
Is it really our place to judge whether another human being is making a rational decision?
Fuck yeah.