QuoteUK takeaway jobs ban for immigrants from outside EEA
Migrants from outside the European Economic Area will no longer be allowed to work in the UK as chefs in takeaway restaurants, the government has said.
The ruling comes after the Migration Advisory Committee (Mac) was asked to review the country's skill shortages.
A similar ban will apply to workers such as hairdressers, beauty salon managers and estate agents from April.
The number of skilled migrants not from the European Economic Area is being capped annually at 21,700.
Sheep shearers
The Home Office has already announced that only graduate-level non-European Economic Area (EEA) workers will be allowed to apply to come to the UK.
Now it has reduced the list of jobs where there is a skills shortage in the UK to eight occupations, including senior care workers, sheep shearers and pipe welders, following advice from the the UK Border Agency's Mac.
Chefs will need to have graduate-level qualifications, with a minimum of five years' experience in an equivalent role, and need to earn at least of £28,260 per year after their accommodation and food.
Those from outside the EEA wanting to work in fast food outlets and takeaways will not be allowed in to the UK at all.
Immigration Minister Damian Green: "These changes will allow firms to bring in people with necessary skills without migrants becoming the first resort to fill a wide range of available jobs.
"This government is also determined to get people back to work and provide business with the skills they need from the British workforce - reducing the need for migrants at the same time as we reduce their number."
The government wants to cut net migration from about 200,000 a year to tens of thousands by 2015.
The EEA comprises countries in the European Union and European Free Trade Association.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12733899 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12733899)
Re: the bolded part, I don't know ANYONE who earns that much after accommodation and food, much less chefs.
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£28,260? Wow, that's a lot.
Cutting down on takeaway workers- good, that does seem to be an area where lots of dodgy immigrants dwell. Its low grade work any idiot can do too, perfect for some of our masses of unemployed.
But how many chefs earn over 28k? We're stopping chefs from even mid-range restaurants here, only letting in the masters.
:lol: Right, but it's America that's all racist and shit. My lunch of leftover black bean burrito was almost certainly cooked by an 'undocumented' Mexican, and I don't mind one bit. :)
Having suffered Chinese and Indian food made by white people in somewhat less multicultural parts of the UK, we're dooming ourselves to meat in funny-coloured gravy.
Quote from: Caliga on March 14, 2011, 10:38:29 AM
:lol: Right, but it's America that's all racist and shit. My lunch of leftover black bean burrito was almost certainly cooked by an 'undocumented' Mexican, and I don't mind one bit. :)
Is it really racism that is driving this? After all, individuals from outside the UK but in the EEA can still come in.
Quote from: garbon on March 14, 2011, 10:43:16 AM
Is it really racism that is driving this? After all, individuals from outside the UK but in the EEA can still come in.
We don't have that many Latvian and Norwegian takeaways.
[conspiracy theorist]
See, this is all part of the tory's attempts to stratify society into a ruling class and a under class. Tomorrow only the richest of the rich will be able to enjoy foreign cuisine. The day after that maybe only they'll be allowed to see foreign films. The day after that travel abroad. The day after that know these foreign countries even exist. The masses will exist in ignorant squalor, solely to toil for the gratification of our masters.
[/conspiracy theorist]
Quote from: Caliga on March 14, 2011, 10:38:29 AM
:lol: Right, but it's America that's all racist and shit. My lunch of leftover black bean burrito was almost certainly cooked by an 'undocumented' Mexican, and I don't mind one bit. :)
In times of unemployment being too low I'm all for immigration too. In times of high unemployment and a shaky economy though...I would rather it be done by a Brit instead of adding another person to the country.
Quote from: garbon on March 14, 2011, 10:43:16 AM
Is it really racism that is driving this? After all, individuals from outside the UK but in the EEA can still come in.
Are India and Pakistan in the EEA, I wonder? :hmm:
Protectionism, not racism.
Quote from: Caliga on March 14, 2011, 10:49:12 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 14, 2011, 10:43:16 AM
Is it really racism that is driving this? After all, individuals from outside the UK but in the EEA can still come in.
Are India and Pakistan in the EEA, I wonder? :hmm:
Are you suggesting that UK doesn't have Indian and Pakistani citizens?
Anyway, Jos's comments is more in the vein of where I thought this was coming from.
The point I was (apparently badly) trying to make, or at least hint at, is that you know if something like this was implemented in the US, everyone would be screaming 'AMERICA RACIDISTIC!'
Quote from: Caliga on March 14, 2011, 10:56:33 AM
The point I was (apparently badly) trying to make, or at least hint at, is that you know if something like this was implemented in the US, everyone would be screaming 'AMERICA RACIDISTIC!'
You already don't let immigrants come to work in such jobs do you?
Sure we do. :)
We let plenty of illegal aliens come in and so all sorts of jobs. Most of them have a better grasp of English than Tyr after about a year or so.
Illegals coming in and doing jobs anyway are quite a different thing to people being officially allowed in and granted visas to do the jobs.
We do, and will even after this (more so probally), get lots of illegals in these jobs too.
Quote from: Caliga on March 14, 2011, 10:56:33 AM
The point I was (apparently badly) trying to make, or at least hint at, is that you know if something like this was implemented in the US, everyone would be screaming 'AMERICA RACIDISTIC!'
Wouldn't our equivalent be NAFTA? Kind of hard to claim racism if we limited jobs to individuals in NAFTA member states.
While I understand your point in general, I'm not entirely sure how it applies here.
Quote from: JonasSalk on March 14, 2011, 11:04:56 AM
We let plenty of illegal aliens come in and so all sorts of jobs. Most of them have a better grasp of English than Tyr after about a year or so.
In what sense are they illegal then?
I wouldn't say that immigrant chefs were a huge problem in the UK :hmm:
This is playing to the gallery I think, trying to keep the right-wing of the Tory party happy; apart from anything else the effect on the immigartion figures will be negligible.
Quote from: garbon on March 14, 2011, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: Caliga on March 14, 2011, 10:56:33 AM
The point I was (apparently badly) trying to make, or at least hint at, is that you know if something like this was implemented in the US, everyone would be screaming 'AMERICA RACIDISTIC!'
Wouldn't our equivalent be NAFTA? Kind of hard to claim racism if we limited jobs to individuals in NAFTA member states.
While I understand your point in general, I'm not entirely sure how it applies here.
NOt exactly. Under Schengen anyone from a number of countries can freely enter the UK and work there.
Obtaining a NAFTA work visa is scarecely easier than entering the US any other way.
Quote from: Gups on March 14, 2011, 11:37:22 AM
In what sense are they illegal then?
Pretty much every sense of the term. We don't officially let them in.
Quote from: Barrister on March 14, 2011, 03:22:53 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 14, 2011, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: Caliga on March 14, 2011, 10:56:33 AM
The point I was (apparently badly) trying to make, or at least hint at, is that you know if something like this was implemented in the US, everyone would be screaming 'AMERICA RACIDISTIC!'
Wouldn't our equivalent be NAFTA? Kind of hard to claim racism if we limited jobs to individuals in NAFTA member states.
While I understand your point in general, I'm not entirely sure how it applies here.
NOt exactly. Under Schengen anyone from a number of countries can freely enter the UK and work there.
Obtaining a NAFTA work visa is scarecely easier than entering the US any other way.
Alright so then there really isn't an equivalent that someone could cry racism about...<_<
Quote from: Brazen on March 14, 2011, 10:40:09 AM
Having suffered Chinese and Indian food made by white people in somewhat less multicultural parts of the UK, we're dooming ourselves to meat in funny-coloured gravy.
So back to tradition, eh? ;)
Speaking of imports, can we send Piers Morgan and Martin Bashir back to their English hellhole from which they came?
Quote from: derspiess on March 14, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Gups on March 14, 2011, 11:37:22 AM
In what sense are they illegal then?
Pretty much every sense of the term. We don't officially let them in.
Quote from: JonasSalk on March 14, 2011, 11:04:56 AM
We let plenty of illegal aliens come in and so all sorts of jobs. Most of them have a better grasp of English than Tyr after about a year or so.
And it's not like
legal immigrants are banned from working as chefs
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 14, 2011, 03:20:42 PM
I wouldn't say that immigrant chefs were a huge problem in the UK :hmm:
This is playing to the gallery I think, trying to keep the right-wing of the Tory party happy; apart from anything else the effect on the immigartion figures will be negligible.
I disagree - at least anecdotally, the new restrictions on work permits being issued has hit several of my friends here who are a damn sight higher up the employment pecking order than a takeaway chef. I think a number of large financial firms in particular will be increasingly miffed that they can no longer pick the best candidates from across the world to work in their London offices: this is an important consideration for them, considering most British applicants have relatively woeful mathematical skills.
Interesting, I was hoping that they wouldn't be so foolish as to prevent foreign experts from working here. We have too many low-skilled Pakistanis and Eastern Europeans coming in, clearly the solution is to prevent highly-qualified Yanks, Canadians and Aussies coming over.........I think I need one of those face-palm pics..........
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 15, 2011, 11:38:53 AM
Interesting, I was hoping that they wouldn't be so foolish as to prevent foreign experts from working here. We have too many low-skilled Pakistanis and Eastern Europeans coming in, clearly the solution is to prevent highly-qualified Yanks, Canadians and Aussies coming over.........I think I need one of those face-palm pics..........
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Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 14, 2011, 03:20:42 PM
I wouldn't say that immigrant chefs were a huge problem in the UK :hmm:
UK Border Force informs me that takeaways harbour a lot of illegals, but this is targeting the merely under-qualified :hmm:
Quote from: Brazen on March 15, 2011, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 14, 2011, 03:20:42 PM
I wouldn't say that immigrant chefs were a huge problem in the UK :hmm:
UK Border Force informs me that takeaways harbour a lot of illegals, but this is targeting the merely under-qualified :hmm:
Yeah, but they are illegal already so nothing will have changed...........perhaps the Daily Mail and the Express are in ecstasy over these measures.......got to be some reason why the government thinks they are worth doing.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 15, 2011, 11:38:53 AM
Interesting, I was hoping that they wouldn't be so foolish as to prevent foreign experts from working here. We have too many low-skilled Pakistanis and Eastern Europeans coming in, clearly the solution is to prevent highly-qualified Yanks, Canadians and Aussies coming over.........I think I need one of those face-palm pics..........
Well, if your pay is very high it is still easy to come over. But a lot of firms are dependent on hoovering up talent before they are highly paid. And I believe that the two-year work permit scheme that used to be given to non-EEA people who studied here is now closed to new joiners.
There was an interesting point in the Economist, or perhaps FT, a while ago that rich people don't come to the UK to start new business and explore new wealth-generating opportunities: no one sees Britain as that kind of place. They come here to consume luxury goods and buy houses in posh areas of London. So the whole government shtick of 'we'll attract rich entrepreneurs' was bunkum - those guys head to Silicon Valley (and, curiously, Canada).
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2011, 11:06:12 AM
Illegals coming in and doing jobs anyway are quite a different thing to people being officially allowed in and granted visas to do the jobs.
We do, and will even after this (more so probally), get lots of illegals in these jobs too.
That's a good point. Given the way you Brits are all saying the qualifications for migrant workers in the skill shortage areas are unrealistic, it's just extra incentive for the business to take the risk of dealing with an illegal alien.
OMG America is racism!!!!
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 15, 2011, 11:38:53 AM
Interesting, I was hoping that they wouldn't be so foolish as to prevent foreign experts from working here. We have too many low-skilled Pakistanis and Eastern Europeans coming in, clearly the solution is to prevent highly-qualified Yanks, Canadians and Aussies coming over.........I think I need one of those face-palm pics..........
I've seen the same problem as Ark. In my company a Chinese statistician (degree in maths, fluent in Mandarin and Cantonese) who'd worked in the UK for 2 years after her degree had her visa extension refused. Apparently maths graduates with Chinese aren't useful and there's plenty of English-born ones around :bleeding:
Similarly I've got a friend at Uni doing a PhD in Electrical Engineering. She's also fluent in Mandarin but because she's from Thailand she doesn't expect to be allowed to stay and is looking at moving to the US :bleeding:
You should have married one of them. That would help their staying in. And be a humerous situation. :P
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 16, 2011, 04:50:09 AM
I've seen the same problem as Ark. In my company a Chinese statistician (degree in maths, fluent in Mandarin and Cantonese) who'd worked in the UK for 2 years after her degree had her visa extension refused. Apparently maths graduates with Chinese aren't useful and there's plenty of English-born ones around :bleeding:
Similarly I've got a friend at Uni doing a PhD in Electrical Engineering. She's also fluent in Mandarin but because she's from Thailand she doesn't expect to be allowed to stay and is looking at moving to the US :bleeding:
If there's one thing that will kill London as a financial centre, it will be this, and not clamping down on bonii.