This is over the top.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42015889/ns/travel-news/
QuoteFAA: No more emergency oxygen in airplane lavatories
Citing a security vulnerability, agency orders equipment disabled in 6,000 U.S. planes
By Harriet Baskas Travel writer
msnbc.com
updated 3/10/2011 7:31:48 PM ET 2011-03-11T00:31:48
Citing security concerns, the federal government in secrecy last month ordered every airline in the United States to remove emergency oxygen in every lavatory on all 6,000 domestic commercial aircraft.
Under Air Worthiness Directive 2011-04-09, made public this week, the Federal Aviation Administration directed all airlines to disable the lavatory oxygen generators to "eliminate a potential safety and security vulnerability."
That means that if there's a sudden loss of cabin pressure, now only those passengers at their seats will have oxygen flowing to the masks that drop down from the ceiling.
"I'm in shock," said Kate Hanni, executive director of Flyersrights.org, a nonprofit airline passengers' rights organization. "We get reports of mid-air decompression events all the time. So now going to the bathroom on a commercial flight can kill you? I'm panicking just thinking about this."
Although rapid decompression is rare, it does happen. In October, for example, oxygen masks were deployed on an American Airlines flight enroute from Miami to Boston after the cabin lost pressure when a two-foot hole tore open in the plane's fuselage . The crew declared an emergency, and the plane safely returned to Miami. Passengers were panicked, but no one was injured.
But under the FAA's new directive, any passengers who happen to be in the airplane restroom should such an event occur would no longer have immediate access to oxygen.
According to the FAA, the airlines completed disabling the oxygen generators in the lavatories of all 6,000 U.S. aircraft on March 4. The FAA said in a statement released Thursday that it delayed informing the public about this action because it was concerned about keeping travelers "as safe and secure as possible."
The agency told NBC News that the action was done proactively in response not to a specific threat but to general concerns that a terrorist could use the lavatory oxygen to start a fire or ignite a bomb.
"Had the FAA publicized the existence of this security vulnerability prior to airlines fixing it, thousands of planes across the U.S. and the safety of passengers could have been at risk," the FAA stated.
The agency noted that it is working with aircraft manufacturers "to design, certify, and install a new lavatory oxygen system" on all aircraft, adding that "if there is a sudden loss of cabin pressure, pilots are already trained to guide the aircraft to a safe, breathable altitude as quickly as possible. Flight attendants are also already trained to assist passengers to quickly access oxygen — including those in the lavatories."
Sara Keagle, a flight attendant who blogs at TheFlyingPinto.com, said flight attendants had not yet received training on the new directive but added that they already have access to portable oxygen bottles that could be used to assist any passengers in a lavatory.
"If a decompression should occur, flight attendants are trained to get on oxygen immediately," she said. "Once it is safe, we would don a portable oxygen bottle and check the cabin, including the lavs, to make sure everyone was OK."
But Arthur Alan Wolk, an aviation safety expert and licensed jet pilot, said: "Part of the idea of the oxygen mask dropping from the ceiling during loss of cabin pressure is to keep the occupants of the main cabin alive until an airplane gets down to a breathable altitude. By eliminating the source of oxygen for the unlucky souls in the bathroom, you've just killed those people."
Airlines were expected to begin informing passengers about the lack of lavatory oxygen generators on seatback briefing cards, during the verbal passenger safety briefing presentation and on signs posted in airplane bathrooms.
Wow, this kind of stupidity just takes my breath away.
I'm panicking just thinking about this.
Death isn't a bad alternative to taking a dump in an airplane bathroom.
I wonder how this is going to be enforced--do planes flying in and out from overseas have to comply? It isn't hard to imagine that some countries are going to require oxygen in the bathrooms.
Jesus fucking Christ Tim.
I'm never gonna take a crap in an airplane lavatory again.
No, wait, actually i don't believe I ever have so far. <fingers crossed>
Monstrous.
Quote from: Josephus on March 11, 2011, 09:42:23 AM
I'm never gonna take a crap in an airplane lavatory again.
No, wait, actually i don't believe I ever have so far. <fingers crossed>
I did once.... flight was from Montreal to London. I tried to hold it till I got on the ground, but just couldn't. I think I let 'er rip somewhere over Cork or Shannon.
One of my biggest fears is having the runs on a plane. I can't think of anything more horrible than that.
I've used airplane toilets at least once on every flight between US and Asia I've been on.
They're not that bad, and are definitely far better than gas station or bus toilets.
I've never been on a bus that had a toilet, and never will Inshallah.
I've been on buses with a bathroom. It's quite an interesting challenge peeing in them. You get constantly knocked around, so you have to keep aiming at a moving target (from your perspective), and constantly compensate. You also have to aim with only one hand, because you need your other hand to hold onto the handle.
QuoteAccording to the FAA, the airlines completed disabling the oxygen generators in the lavatories of all 6,000 U.S. aircraft on March 4. The FAA said in a statement released Thursday that it delayed informing the public about this action because it was concerned about keeping travelers "as safe and secure as possible."
Bullshit. They didn't inform the public because they didn't want to deal with passangers' rights groups protesting the decision beforehand.
Quote from: DGuller on March 11, 2011, 11:00:13 AM
I've been on buses with a bathroom. It's quite an interesting challenge peeing in them. You get constantly knocked around, so you have to keep aiming at a moving target (from your perspective), and constantly compensate. You also have to aim with only one hand, because you need your other hand to hold onto the handle.
Josephus now can't imagine anything worse than the runs on a bus.
Quote from: DGuller on March 11, 2011, 11:00:13 AM
I've been on buses with a bathroom. It's quite an interesting challenge peeing in them. You get constantly knocked around, so you have to keep aiming at a moving target (from your perspective), and constantly compensate. You also have to aim with only one hand, because you need your other hand to hold onto the handle.
The seat keeps falling down too, so in addition to aiming, compensating, and one handing, you also need to hold the seat up with one knee as you try to maintain balance.
Quote from: alfred russel on March 11, 2011, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 11, 2011, 11:00:13 AM
I've been on buses with a bathroom. It's quite an interesting challenge peeing in them. You get constantly knocked around, so you have to keep aiming at a moving target (from your perspective), and constantly compensate. You also have to aim with only one hand, because you need your other hand to hold onto the handle.
Josephus now can't imagine anything worse than the runs on a bus.
Yeah, that would be quite bad. the trouble with pooping on a bus too, is that the air circulates through the bus, so everyone can smell what you've been up to.
Quote from: Josephus on March 11, 2011, 01:09:57 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 11, 2011, 11:00:13 AM
I've been on buses with a bathroom. It's quite an interesting challenge peeing in them. You get constantly knocked around, so you have to keep aiming at a moving target (from your perspective), and constantly compensate. You also have to aim with only one hand, because you need your other hand to hold onto the handle.
The seat keeps falling down too, so in addition to aiming, compensating, and one handing, you also need to hold the seat up with one knee as you try to maintain balance.
Hold the seat up? Please. :rolleyes:
I thought the oxygen flow had to be specifically activated from the cockpit, so I would have presumed that a terrorist ripping open the ceiling cavity wouldn't exactly have access to a ready-made flamethrower.
Unless the dastardly terrorists punctured the fuselage first, and then made their way to the crapper... :hmm:
You don't need to do it from the cockpit. A computer could easily activate a series of electro-valves in case of loss of pressure. But yeah, it doesn't make sense to have the oxygen flowing until something happens.
Quote from: DGuller on March 11, 2011, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 11, 2011, 01:09:57 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 11, 2011, 11:00:13 AM
I've been on buses with a bathroom. It's quite an interesting challenge peeing in them. You get constantly knocked around, so you have to keep aiming at a moving target (from your perspective), and constantly compensate. You also have to aim with only one hand, because you need your other hand to hold onto the handle.
The seat keeps falling down too, so in addition to aiming, compensating, and one handing, you also need to hold the seat up with one knee as you try to maintain balance.
Hold the seat up? Please. :rolleyes:
And that's why I'll never take a crap on a bus/plane/ public washroom. I pity women.
Quote from: Josephus on March 11, 2011, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 11, 2011, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 11, 2011, 11:00:13 AM
I've been on buses with a bathroom. It's quite an interesting challenge peeing in them. You get constantly knocked around, so you have to keep aiming at a moving target (from your perspective), and constantly compensate. You also have to aim with only one hand, because you need your other hand to hold onto the handle.
Josephus now can't imagine anything worse than the runs on a bus.
Yeah, that would be quite bad. the trouble with pooping on a bus too, is that the air circulates through the bus, so everyone can smell what you've been up to.
"-Mommy, it smells funny!
-That's sperm, dear."
Quote from: Josephus on March 11, 2011, 09:52:07 AM
One of my biggest fears is having the runs on a plane. I can't think of anything more horrible than that.
Being in the middle seat at the time?
great, now you can smoke there without risking blowing up the plane.
Quote from: sbr on March 11, 2011, 08:14:16 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 11, 2011, 09:52:07 AM
One of my biggest fears is having the runs on a plane. I can't think of anything more horrible than that.
Being in the middle seat at the time?
Beside a fat person you have to climb over.
Quote from: sbr on March 11, 2011, 08:14:16 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 11, 2011, 09:52:07 AM
One of my biggest fears is having the runs on a plane. I can't think of anything more horrible than that.
Being in the middle seat at the time?
This happened on my first flight to Korea.