So, I dug up and restored the May backup of the board. The short version: I lost another fucking Seagate drive. I'll discuss more after I get out of class.
Please report any and all issues and I'll try to get on them quickly. I still have a lot of configuration to do and a shitload of real-life obligations at the moment.
I feel like I'm missing part of myself. :weep:
Western Digital FTW. :)
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 05, 2011, 12:50:30 PM
a shitload of real-life obligations at the moment.
[munro]
Those considerations are subordinate to the interests of the Board.
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Very strange to have the most recent stuff being from so far back.
But good to have it back.
Ah so we're in business. Good.
So much lost. :cry:
Quote from: Habbaku on March 05, 2011, 01:22:39 PM
So much lost. :cry:
Think positive. All those Timmay threads destroyed. Warms my heart.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 05, 2011, 01:22:39 PM
So much lost. :cry:
Don't worry, MSNBTimmay.com will flood the board with 600 news articles by the end of the week. We'll be up to speed in no time.
Woohoo!
We're back!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 05, 2011, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 05, 2011, 01:27:26 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on March 05, 2011, 01:22:39 PM
So much lost. :cry:
Think positive. All those Timmay threads destroyed. Warms my heart.
See above.
I'm prepared to disrupt his threads. I've prepared a selection of pictures and other goodies.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 05, 2011, 12:50:30 PM
So, I dug up and restored the May backup of the board. The short version: I lost another fucking Seagate drive. I'll discuss more after I get out of class.
Please report any and all issues and I'll try to get on them quickly. I still have a lot of configuration to do and a shitload of real-life obligations at the moment.
I personally never had a problem with Seagate, but one of my friends, operating in a server environment (university) has lost 3 during the last year... Maybe they ain't cut out for this kind of work.
:) :(
How bittersweet, languish is back but lost so much, it lives but it is still dying.
Awesome that we're back. The only way forward is up.
Good work Moldy. :cheers:
In related news, I found out we're the 4th site listed in Google for "languish."
I do want to mention that I may still be able to recover the old drive and get the last 9 1/2 months back, but I don't know how long it will take or how much it will cost.
I'd be willing to throw a handful of shekels into the pot to help with hosting and maintenance, especially if it could help get the last 9 months back.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 05, 2011, 01:58:51 PM
I do want to mention that I may still be able to recover the old drive and get the last 9 1/2 months back, but I don't know how long it will take or how much it will cost.
Not really sure I see the point.
Getting our history back would be nice, but it does depend on the cost and time requirement, of course. If it's too much, we'll have to soldier on.
Nice good work Moldy, thanks. some lost time is no big deal.
Its good to be back, thanks vM! :hug:
L.
Above and beyond, VM. In the future, if there's anything we can do to help, like making more regular backups, let us know.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 05, 2011, 02:09:07 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 05, 2011, 01:58:51 PM
I do want to mention that I may still be able to recover the old drive and get the last 9 1/2 months back, but I don't know how long it will take or how much it will cost.
Not really sure I see the point.
Our heritage. :cry:
it is risen!
all hail
Lazarus.org
it's not the resurrection. it's groundhog day.
Thanks for bringing us back, even if we end up losing the last 9 months.
It does pain me to lose my epic 24 pages long USA-trip thread though :(
Anyways, how about we people here gather up funds to let you mirror the HD which stores Languish?
Quote from: Tamas on March 05, 2011, 04:11:56 PM
Thanks for bringing us back, even if we end up losing the last 9 months.
It does pain me to lose my epic 24 pages long USA-trip thread though :(
Anyways, how about we people here gather up funds to let you mirror the HD which stores Languish?
It isn't clear to me that a straight mirror would be the best option. I say let's go ahead and put together the cash to do a proper RAID controller + drives setup.
Moldy, if you can get an approximate price tag, I (or someone else, if they'd rather) can take care of getting together the cash commitments.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 05, 2011, 02:13:53 PM
Getting our history back would be nice, but it does depend on the cost and time requirement, of course. If it's too much, we'll have to soldier on.
Or, as the case may be, solder on. :hmm:
9 1/2 months? Jesus Christ, I think I lost about six posts...
:mad:
:P
Dang, I just realized I wasn't sure where I stood in post count. I lost somewhere between 500 and 1,500. :(
Quote from: grumbler on March 05, 2011, 04:18:31 PM
Moldy, if you can get an approximate price tag, I (or someone else, if they'd rather) can take care of getting together the cash commitments.
I already have a plan. I'll detail it when I'm out of class.
We could just pretend the last nine-and-a-half months didn't happen. :huh:
I see we didn't lose our two posts from 2018 though.
I'm a different lemur. :Embarrass:
I think I lost about 6,000. :(
We're back in business :showoff:
Quote from: Josephus on March 05, 2011, 05:52:12 PM
We could just pretend the last nine-and-a-half months didn't happen. :huh:
I guess I have to move back to SF. :weep:
Thanks for the efforts Wayne.
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2011, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 05, 2011, 05:52:12 PM
We could just pretend the last nine-and-a-half months didn't happen. :huh:
I guess I have to move back to SF. :weep:
:lol:
So we went so far back in time, we lost shade's membership also .... can someone re-approve his application? :P
Quote from: Josephus on March 05, 2011, 05:52:12 PM
We could just pretend the last nine-and-a-half months didn't happen. :huh:
Only if the Navy goes along with it and does not deploy me.
Glad to be back. Thanks, Moldy. :)
Ah, so we stepped back to May 2010. How young & naive we all were back in those days...
Quote from: grumbler on March 05, 2011, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 05, 2011, 04:11:56 PM
Thanks for bringing us back, even if we end up losing the last 9 months.
It does pain me to lose my epic 24 pages long USA-trip thread though :(
Anyways, how about we people here gather up funds to let you mirror the HD which stores Languish?
It isn't clear to me that a straight mirror would be the best option. I say let's go ahead and put together the cash to do a proper RAID controller + drives setup.
Moldy, if you can get an approximate price tag, I (or someone else, if they'd rather) can take care of getting together the cash commitments.
I was thinking perhaps we should consider getting Languish hosted on some kind of cloud site. Let someone else deal with all the backup and hardware crap.
Quote from: derspiess on March 05, 2011, 11:43:25 PM
Ah, so we stepped back to May 2010. How young & naive we all were back in those days...
May 2nd to be precise.
Since my son was born May 31st, things have changed a lot since then...
Spain still won the world Cup, you're not taking that away.
Quote from: Berkut on March 06, 2011, 12:16:46 AM
I was thinking perhaps we should consider getting Languish hosted on some kind of cloud site. Let someone else deal with all the backup and hardware crap.
Bandwidth is an issue, since we don't prune the message table or the user list. 200 members searching an archive of 2+ years could get us expensive or canned pretty quickly.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 06, 2011, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 06, 2011, 12:16:46 AM
I was thinking perhaps we should consider getting Languish hosted on some kind of cloud site. Let someone else deal with all the backup and hardware crap.
Bandwidth is an issue, since we don't prune the message table or the user list. 200 members searching an archive of 2+ years could get us expensive or canned pretty quickly.
I dunno, seems kind of unlikely that Languish is actually significant compared to what they deal with regularly. Although I guess I don't really know...
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 06, 2011, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 06, 2011, 12:16:46 AM
I was thinking perhaps we should consider getting Languish hosted on some kind of cloud site. Let someone else deal with all the backup and hardware crap.
Bandwidth is an issue, since we don't prune the message table or the user list. 200 members searching an archive of 2+ years could get us expensive or canned pretty quickly.
Berkut's suggestion does have me looking at cloud options, but your point is the key consideration. It goes beyond Languish, too, since I was using the server as a fileserver and a platform for side projects.
At any rate, I've been really lucky the past 6 or so years that I've had so few major problems. I do need to get the server out of my lab and into a more robust environment. So, my current plan is to colocate. Unless I hear bad things about them, I intend to use Colo Unlimited (http://www.colounlimited.com/), since I can get a 2U slot for $50/month and they're local.
As for the server itself, I found a 2U dual Mini-ITX (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811165366) chassis. I intend to exploit the second slot by building a remote backup server to run next to the web server. The backup server is going to run on the current web server's hardware (the Atom D510 board) with a pair of WD Green 2TB drives (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136514) connected as a JBOD array. The new web server is going to use an Atom D525 board (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442) with a mirrored pair of WD RE4s (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136697). In addition to the mirror, I'm going to configure the web server to make regular image dumps to the backup server. I'm also going to regularly pull critical data backups, like database dumps, to either Dropbox or one of my lab machines so I have backups at two sites (the backup server is primarily for giving me remote backups of my lab boxes).
The RE4s should stand up to the server load much better than the consumer-grade Seagate shit I've been using. The Greens should be sufficient for a low-load backup server. Getting both into a real datacenter will mean far fewer service interruptions. It also means I can ditch this T1. :P
Quote from: Berkut on March 06, 2011, 11:04:28 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 06, 2011, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 06, 2011, 12:16:46 AM
I was thinking perhaps we should consider getting Languish hosted on some kind of cloud site. Let someone else deal with all the backup and hardware crap.
Bandwidth is an issue, since we don't prune the message table or the user list. 200 members searching an archive of 2+ years could get us expensive or canned pretty quickly.
I dunno, seems kind of unlikely that Languish is actually significant compared to what they deal with regularly. Although I guess I don't really know...
With Amazon at least, what's going to kill us is not bandwidth, its IOPS. The cost of EBS is heavily dependent on that. I haven't researched other cloud options yet to see if there is a more favorable option.
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2011, 01:36:32 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 05, 2011, 12:50:30 PM
So, I dug up and restored the May backup of the board. The short version: I lost another fucking Seagate drive. I'll discuss more after I get out of class.
Please report any and all issues and I'll try to get on them quickly. I still have a lot of configuration to do and a shitload of real-life obligations at the moment.
I personally never had a problem with Seagate, but one of my friends, operating in a server environment (university) has lost 3 during the last year... Maybe they ain't cut out for this kind of work.
I've only ever lost Seagate drives in server environments (except the one that was DOA), so I'm inclined to agree.
Quote from: grumbler on March 05, 2011, 04:18:31 PM
It isn't clear to me that a straight mirror would be the best option. I say let's go ahead and put together the cash to do a proper RAID controller + drives setup.
Moldy, if you can get an approximate price tag, I (or someone else, if they'd rather) can take care of getting together the cash commitments.
A straight mirror as the only hedge against hardware failure, I agree. With regular off-machine image backups though I don't think a full-on RAID is necessary. Plus, LVM2 is pretty damn good.
:wacko: How much of that did you just make up Moldy?
It ain't ZFS though.
That sounds about right, vM.
Well I guess you could just have snapshot.exe do regular backups to another drive. :) I LOVE that little software. Well, no wonder, when you consider that the regular backup solution of my employer starts with a T...
Timmay!
Quote from: Tamas on March 06, 2011, 12:24:53 PM
Well I guess you could just have snapshot.exe do regular backups to another drive. :) I LOVE that little software. Well, no wonder, when you consider that the regular backup solution of my employer starts with a T...
..aking a picture of the serial number for the purpose of insurance fraud?
Good to be back :)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 06, 2011, 11:26:17 AM
:wacko: How much of that did you just make up Moldy?
Nah, he's got a point. Generally, you need to be able to recover data in the instance of a failure, or you need to prevent the failure altogether. Trying to do both is overkill unless you're working with material that's both secure and meant to be time-sensitive (like ordering information handled by a shopping web site).
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 06, 2011, 12:37:09 PM
Nah, he's got a point. Generally, you need to be able to recover data in the instance of a failure, or you need to prevent the failure altogether. Trying to do both is overkill unless you're working with material that's both secure and meant to be time-sensitive (like ordering information handled by a shopping web site).
I wasn't doubting Moldy's competence. He has a crew cut and plays with cinder blocks for Chrisake. I was mocking my own unfamiliarity with computer jargon.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 06, 2011, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 06, 2011, 12:37:09 PM
Nah, he's got a point. Generally, you need to be able to recover data in the instance of a failure, or you need to prevent the failure altogether. Trying to do both is overkill unless you're working with material that's both secure and meant to be time-sensitive (like ordering information handled by a shopping web site).
I wasn't doubting Moldy's competence. He has a crew cut and plays with cinder blocks for Chrisake. I was mocking my own unfamiliarity with computer jargon.
Do you feel you receive too little mocking as is? :huh:
A 2U slot for $50 sounds good. It cost me a little over $5k to colo a bladecenter.
no arab revolt threads?
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 06, 2011, 11:17:39 AM
A straight mirror as the only hedge against hardware failure, I agree. With regular off-machine image backups though I don't think a full-on RAID is necessary. Plus, LVM2 is pretty damn good.
A straight mirror slows things down, though probably not enough for us to notice (I was thinking more of the other things you are doing with your server) and I think you really should be looking at server drives (like the WD 10k drives (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136555) with a MTBF in excess of a million hours.
I guess my point was that, if you want to keep a server going yourself, and need some financials from us to make that possible, that is something we should be able to do and, frankly, owe to you after all the free time and service you have provided.
If you want to dump the system and colocate the server in a server farm, that's fine as well. We should pick up some of that cost, as well.
grumbler is correct on both counts. Consumer drives are not the way to go.
I'm glad the forum is back. I almost went to Paradox to see what was up. :yuk:
I am also willing to start back up the "Twelve Pound Club".
Quote from: lustindarkness on March 07, 2011, 02:17:54 AM
I am also willing to start back up the "Twelve Pound Club".
All we need is a word from the man!
Glad to see it is back ... I also think a financial contribution from us is in order. If someone else arranges the mechanism, I'll contribute.
What do I get for two dollars? Anything I want? :cool:
I paid for the domain twice, I ain't ever paying for you guys ever again.
I'm joking, I'd pay it again.
Gen Wolfe can cover my part then.
Quote from: grumbler on March 06, 2011, 08:44:02 PM
A straight mirror slows things down, though probably not enough for us to notice (I was thinking more of the other things you are doing with your server) and I think you really should be looking at server drives (like the WD 10k drives (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136555) with a MTBF in excess of a million hours.
I agree on the drive quality, which is why I'm going with the RE4s (1.2m hour MTBF). I'm wavering on the mirror, though. As you say, it will slow the system down some, and I don't think it buys much with a regular off-system backup in place.
All my wonderful posts lost! :cry:
Years and years of work lost.
I don't seem to be getting emails when I receive a PM now...
Oh, that would be because I forgot to install a mail server. :P
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 09, 2011, 10:54:16 PM
Oh, that would be because I forgot to install a mail server. :P
That'd be a good reason. :D
So you can't email other posters ?
I've tried it, the message appears to be sent, but it never arrives at the recipient, is this fixable ? :unsure:
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2011, 10:56:20 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 09, 2011, 10:54:16 PM
Oh, that would be because I forgot to install a mail server. :P
That'd be a good reason. :D
Did we ever get a mail server for email notifications of PMs and the like?
Quote from: ulmont on May 05, 2011, 11:00:02 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2011, 10:56:20 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 09, 2011, 10:54:16 PM
Oh, that would be because I forgot to install a mail server. :P
That'd be a good reason. :D
Did we ever get a mail server for email notifications of PMs and the like?
don't think so.
Quote from: katmai on May 05, 2011, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: ulmont on May 05, 2011, 11:00:02 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2011, 10:56:20 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 09, 2011, 10:54:16 PM
Oh, that would be because I forgot to install a mail server. :P
That'd be a good reason. :D
Did we ever get a mail server for email notifications of PMs and the like?
don't think so.
Whee. Peter Wiggin, check your PMs.
I'm happy TBR is up again, but where are all the old threads? :cry:
L.
Quote from: Pedrito on May 06, 2011, 03:03:25 AM
I'm happy TBR is up again, but where are all the old threads? :cry:
L.
Molte's a lazy bastard.
every now and then I can't access the forum, it seems to time out. Anything can be done about that?
15742 posts in May.
Though stats were lost I believe that's the 2nd best month since Dec 2009.
This place is running, for me at least, like shit. So I'm assuming a crash is coming and will see you all soon at Tamas' gypsy wagon.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 02, 2011, 11:52:40 AM
This place is running, for me at least, like shit. So I'm assuming a crash is coming and will see you all soon at Tamas' gypsy wagon.
Me too. Long delays trying to move around the threads.
BB's irrational exuberance about the Jets will be lost - we need to archive for posterity.
Seems to have snapped out of it a bit.
Sorry about that. I've been fighting with Windows 7 and trying to get some shit installed and updated. I've downloaded close to 10gb over the past couple days.
'tis no problem. It was life's way of telling me to do something else. :)
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 02, 2011, 12:40:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 02, 2011, 11:52:40 AM
This place is running, for me at least, like shit. So I'm assuming a crash is coming and will see you all soon at Tamas' gypsy wagon.
Me too. Long delays trying to move around the threads.
BB's irrational exuberance about the Jets will be lost - we need to archive for posterity.
Indeed we do.
:yeah:
Although I admit I'm getting a bit nervous about my boast that the Jets will win the Stanley Cup before the Canucks will... :unsure:
Woooo!
Quote from: Barrister on June 04, 2011, 12:02:21 AM
Although I admit I'm getting a bit nervous about my boast that the Jets will win the Stanley Cup before the Canucks will... :unsure:
I think you are safe. Canadian teams have been horribly cursed in the Finals since 1993. Maybe the Jets will avoid the curse being Atlantan immigrants.
Quote from: Valmy on August 23, 2011, 09:06:59 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 04, 2011, 12:02:21 AM
Although I admit I'm getting a bit nervous about my boast that the Jets will win the Stanley Cup before the Canucks will... :unsure:
I think you are safe. Canadian teams have been horribly cursed in the Finals since 1993. Maybe the Jets will avoid the curse being Atlantan immigrants.
I'd forgotten about this.
Nah, I am more confident than ever when I say the Jets will win the Stanley Cup before the Canucks do. After all, when I said that, Winnipeg didn't even have a team. :cool:
Only one team can break the curse, it's the team that created it but not before Roy returns. Go Habs Go!
:cool:
I'm glad we are back online.