Doesn't look good. :(
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fix-20100501,0,5376328.story
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BP's containment problem is unprecedented
The company must stop a relentless gush of oil nearly a mile below the surface, in a situation that hasn't been dealt with before.
By Jill Leovy
April 30, 2010 | 4:42 p.m.
The oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico presents BP Exploration and Production with a problem of unprecedented severity — a limitless gush in very deep waters — forcing the London-based company to grasp for fixes that have never been tried before.
The problem with the April 20 spill is that it isn't really a spill: It's a gush, like an underwater oil volcano. A hot column of oil and gas is spurting into freezing, black waters nearly a mile down, where the pressure nears a ton per inch, impossible for divers to endure. Experts call it a continuous, round-the-clock calamity, unlike a leaking tanker, which might empty in hours or days.
"Everything about it is unprecedented," said geochemist Christopher Reddy, an oil-spill expert and head of the Coastal Ocean Institute at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. "All our knowledge is based on a one-shot event.... With this, we don't know when it's going to stop."
Accidents have occurred before in which oil has gushed from damaged wells, he said. But he knew of none in water so deep.
And "everything is bigger and more difficult the deeper you go," said Andy Bowen, a research specialist who works with undersea robotics at the Woods Hole center. "Fighting gravity is tough. It increases loads. You need bigger winches, bigger cables, bigger ships."
An analogy, he said, is the difference between construction work on the ground versus at the top of a mile-high skyscraper.
To BP falls the daunting task of trying to stop the gush before it becomes the most damaging spill in American history. If the flow is not stopped, it will exhaust the natural reservoir of oil beneath the sea floor, experts say. Many months, at least, could pass.
The company is working on three fronts at once.
Two options for blocking the flow are difficult, but at least rely on conventional technology. A third option — corralling the plume of oil and diverting it into a processing ship's hold — "has never been done in that depth and is stretching the boundaries," said BP spokesman Daren Beaudo.
But BP has no choice. Failure to stop the flow of oil from the sea bottom could undercut all other efforts underway to combat the spill, said Reddy.
Planning, training and experience with other oil spills has produced a "crack team" of spill fighters working with boats and booms combating the slick on the surface, Reddy said. But unless the well underwater stops belching oil, all that expertise will be overwhelmed by a growing toxic mat spreading across the gulf. "The responders can only do so much," he said.
The April 20 accident 50 miles off the Louisiana coast is presumed to have killed 11 people. It occurred 5,000 feet under the sea — many times deeper, for example, than any platform now drilling off the California coast.
A Transocean oil rig hired by BP had just explored a new oil deposit and was preparing to cement shut the well it had bored so that it could later be opened for production.
It's not clear how the explosion happened. But industry experts say natural gas mixed with oil may have leaked up the long "riser," or pipe, used to encase the drill and extract mud from the well. Natural gas expands as it is released from the seafloor and flows up. It can easily spark and explode.
In the disaster that followed, the rig sank, and the riser bent and broke in at least two places. Key to the catastrophe was the failure of a "blowout preventer" sitting on the seafloor on top of the well. This heavy contraption of valves and hydraulics failed to perform its most important function: shutting a valve to prevent oil from escaping. BP officials say they believe there was an attempt to activate emergency systems, but the systems didn't work.
The result is what Reddy called "an upside-down faucet, just open and running out."
BP's first deployed robotic submarines to shut the valve. This the quickest fix. If the people operating the robots could shut the blowout preventer, it would block the top of the well.
The submarines use technology similar to NASA rovers on Mars. A tether connects them to a nearby ship where operators steer them from a control room. The operators are highly skilled, and the subs have robotic arms, so agile and delicate "they could give you three stitches on your forehead," Reddy said.
But experts say conditions for this work are profoundly difficult. The robots are charged with complex, unplanned mechanical work in deep seas next to a whirl of rising oil. Even if their lights can illuminate more than a couple dozen feet, the subs may be knocked around, and must dodge broken wreckage at the same time.
"The biggest hazard is having a robot become entangled in debris, pipes and cable," said Bowen. "This is a huge industrial accident, and that makes it very difficult for them to operate from above."
In any case, days have passed, and hope is waning that the robot mechanics will succeed.
So BP is working on two other plans, one relying on conventional technology. Another hole would be drilled into the seafloor near the accident site. Heavy material and cement would then be squirted into the new hole in an attempt to plug up the reservoir. But this process could drag on for 90 days, BP officials say.
So workers in Port Fourchon, La., are working on an unproven concept: They are constructing three large "subsea oil collection" systems. These are essentially 40-foot-tall steel boxes that BP plans to lower over the gushing sources in order to contain the oil and channel it up through pipes to a waiting processing ship.
The ship, called the Enterprise, is already being prepared in the gulf, and one of the three chambers has already been completed by Wild Well Control, an oil-disaster response company.
But considerable technical difficulties lie ahead. The huge chambers must be lowered in place and the pipes suspended and properly positioned. BP has successfully used this strategy against shallow water leaks after hurricanes Katrina and Rita, officials said. But in deep water, "it has never been done," Beaudo said.
The engineers are designing the new system without exact knowledge of the flow and force of the oil. Buoyancy and heat will force the oil upward, said David Valentine, a geochemist at UC Santa Barbara. But there is danger of pressure building in the chamber as the oil gushes in. Or oil that is mixed with gas might cool too quickly as it rises, stiffen, and clog the pipes, Valentine said.
BP said it will take two to four more weeks to build and install the collection systems. Until it stops the gush, the company's liability "is essentially unlimited," Bowen said.
And once the emergency abates, BP faces tough questions. Oil industry experts this week compared the accident to a plane crash or space shuttle disaster that may have been the result of a cascading chain of mishaps. There are supposed to be safeguards: sensors that detect changes in pressure, cross-checking protocols, emergency response systems, and people monitoring everything 24 hours a day aboard the rig and by satellite.
"We are all very curious," said an industry source who asked not to be identified because he worked for a rival oil company. "What happened that all that equipment, all the computer power, all the automated systems and manpower in place, could not be invoked to stop this?"
The assumption is that an oil-rig perfect storm occurred, very quickly. "There would have been a dozen barriers that had to fail in order for this accident to happen," said Tim Robertson, an oil-spill consultant with Nuka Research and Planning Group in Alaska.
Perhaps the biggest question, to experts, is why the blowout preventer valves didn't shut. The huge device, which caps the well, is equipped with emergency systems, including a "dead man's switch," a device of last resort that is supposed to be fail-safe.
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Hmmmm... we were talking about going down to Gulf Shores, AL this October with my mother in law. :hmm:
Maybe we'll end up going to the Carolinas instead.
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 09:21:55 AM
Hmmmm... we were talking about going down to Gulf Shores, AL this October with my mother in law. :hmm:
Maybe we'll end up going to the Carolinas instead.
You would dig Charleston, Cal.
The reason we were gonna do the Redneck Riviera over the Carolinas is because of the early-mid October timeframe. Gulf Shores-Destin-etc. should definitely still be really nice (unless there's a hurricane :ph34r: ) in October. Myrtle Beach area (we would probably have stayed in Holden Beach, NC) is a little dicey by October.
I still have my eye on Isle of Palms, SC though.
I went to Mobile, AL once on bidness. I felt my soul sucked away while I was down there. :(
Or it was the heat of July. :yuk:
Tim's comment on Obama allowing drilling off Virginia:
QuoteGood, for once I am pleased without reservation by an Obama decision.
Yeah, if we were going to the beach in July, it'd be the Carolinas for sure.
This July I'll be on the Jersey shore, though. Hopefully I can avoid: hypodermic needles while swimming. :(
Quote from: Zanza on May 02, 2010, 09:39:30 AM
Tim's comment on Obama allowing drilling off Virginia:
QuoteGood, for once I am pleased without reservation by an Obama decision.
Tainted?
In all seriousness, if Chernobyl and 3 Mile Island haven't stopped me from supporting Nuclear Power Plants, this isn't going to stop me from supporting off shore drilling. This is the first major disaster since off shore drilling became big in the 70s. I'll want to see what the investigation returns, and then either support more stringent regulations or more stringent enforcement of regulations on the books, but I see no reason to give up on drilling.
What does it matter? Hasn't the algae bloom killed everything in the US coast of the Caribbean anyways?
Regulations were insufficient. There was just one barrier between the reservoir and the surface in this case. I don't know if the problem was with the casing and cementing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casing_%28borehole%29) as Rachel Maddow has suggested (I think primarily because world leader in casing and cementing Halliburton did the job) or if the fault is in the BOP (Blowout Preventer) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowout_preventer) itself as the mainstream news media has suggested. The BOP failing seems more likely since the ROV (Remotely Operated Vehicle) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remotely_operated_underwater_vehicle) was unable to close the leak. This should have been possible if the BOP was working as intended, from what I gather, they have stopped trying to close the valve in the BOP.
Now, why is this not a safety issue. Well, obviously in the here and now in the gulf it is a real safety issue. Why is this not a safety issue for future offshore operations? Basically this accident is precisely the kind of incident that the DHSV (Down Hole Safety Valve) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downhole_safety_valve) will prevent. Norwegian law requires at least two barriers at all times between the reservoir and the surface. It is not cheap, but it is an almost foolproof method of shutting down the well in a situation like this. Had there been a DHSV this would not have happened. I have personally in a job in the north sea participated in the removal of a DHSV during a coil tubing job for BP, so BP does use them where regulations require them.
This is a bad spill, yes. But I do believe that US regulations can be updated to require DHSVs on all new wells without issue and with some expense on older wells.
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
This is a bad spill, yes. But I do believe that US regulations can be updated to require DHSVs on all new wells without issue and with some expense on older wells.
:bleeding: Great. Hello, higher fuel prices! :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 02, 2010, 10:03:40 AMThis is the first major disaster since off shore drilling became big in the 70s.
Piper Alpha wasn't a major disaster?
What was the decompression disaster where a guy got literally blown to pieces? I think that was on an offshore rig.
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
Regulations were insufficient. There was just one barrier between the reservoir and the surface in this case. I don't know if the problem was with the casing and cementing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casing_%28borehole%29) as Rachel Maddow has suggested (I think primarily because world leader in casing and cementing Halliburton did the job) or if the fault is in the BOP (Blowout Preventer) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowout_preventer) itself as the mainstream news media has suggested. The BOP failing seems more likely since the ROV (Remotely Operated Vehicle) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remotely_operated_underwater_vehicle) was unable to close the leak. This should have been possible if the BOP was working as intended, from what I gather, they have stopped trying to close the valve in the BOP.
Now, why is this not a safety issue. Well, obviously in the here and now in the gulf it is a real safety issue. Why is this not a safety issue for future offshore operations? Basically this accident is precisely the kind of incident that the DHSV (Down Hole Safety Valve) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downhole_safety_valve) will prevent. Norwegian law requires at least two barriers at all times between the reservoir and the surface. It is not cheap, but it is an almost foolproof method of shutting down the well in a situation like this. Had there been a DHSV this would not have happened. I have personally in a job in the north sea participated in the removal of a DHSV during a coil tubing job for BP, so BP does use them where regulations require them.
This is a bad spill, yes. But I do believe that US regulations can be updated to require DHSVs on all new wells without issue and with some expense on older wells.
That's what we need: a second fail-proof device, since the existing fail-proof device works so well! :P
I don't actually disagree with you, its just that what you say about the DHSV is the exact same thing that was said about the BOP. Two-valve safety is obviously superior to even great one-valve safety, but even it isn't foolproof.
Well, looks like it's time to buy some BP stock. :)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 02, 2010, 10:03:40 AM
Quote from: Zanza on May 02, 2010, 09:39:30 AM
Tim's comment on Obama allowing drilling off Virginia:
QuoteGood, for once I am pleased without reservation by an Obama decision.
Tainted?
In all seriousness, if Chernobyl and 3 Mile Island haven't stopped me from supporting Nuclear Power Plants, this isn't going to stop me from supporting off shore drilling. This is the first major disaster since off shore drilling became big in the 70s. I'll want to see what the investigation returns, and then either support more stringent regulations or more stringent enforcement of regulations on the books, but I see no reason to give up on drilling.
Are you saying that this accident is in any way similar to Chernobyl or TMI?
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 11:35:31 AM
Well, looks like it's time to buy some BP stock. :)
Considering that BP apparently has unlimited liability in this (from what I read) and that US courts aren't exactly known for awarding low damages I don't see why this would be a good idea before you know how this turns out.
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
This is a bad spill, yes. But I do believe that US regulations can be updated to require DHSVs on all new wells without issue and with some expense on older wells.
:bleeding: Great. Hello, higher fuel prices! :(
Given how inexpensive fuel is already, does a small increase really matter?
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
This is a bad spill, yes. But I do believe that US regulations can be updated to require DHSVs on all new wells without issue and with some expense on older wells.
:bleeding: Great. Hello, higher fuel prices! :(
Not as expensive as massive leaks like this. With older wells it can be quite complicated. If the well is too old or too small a DHSV can't be patched into it, so some form of dispensation would have to be given.
Quote from: Zanza on May 02, 2010, 12:32:15 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 11:35:31 AM
Well, looks like it's time to buy some BP stock. :)
Considering that BP apparently has unlimited liability in this (from what I read) and that US courts aren't exactly known for awarding low damages I don't see why this would be a good idea before you know how this turns out.
The jury will award one quintillion dollars, but then the judge will reduce it to a couple hundred million.
Quote from: Zanza on May 02, 2010, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 02, 2010, 10:03:40 AMThis is the first major disaster since off shore drilling became big in the 70s.
Piper Alpha wasn't a major disaster?
Petrobras P-36 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1233083.stm) and Alexander Kjelland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Kielland_wreck) off the top of my head in addition to the Piper Alpha, although the Piper Alpha wasn't a drilling rig, while the other two were.
Quote from: Neil on May 02, 2010, 12:43:17 PM
Given how inexpensive fuel is already, does a small increase really matter?
Yes. As an American I feel that regular 87 octane gasoline should cost ten cents a gallon. :)
Quote from: grumbler on May 02, 2010, 11:32:29 AMThat's what we need: a second fail-proof device, since the existing fail-proof device works so well! :P
I don't actually disagree with you, its just that what you say about the DHSV is the exact same thing that was said about the BOP. Two-valve safety is obviously superior to even great one-valve safety, but even it isn't foolproof.
At times like this where you are so manifestly idiotic I do make exception to me general rule of ignoring you.
In itself the BOP is manifestly superior to the DHSV, one being a massive arrangement with at least three possible closing valves and usually two choppers for severing wireline, coil tubing and drill pipe sealing the well as well. The DHSV is there not to be as good as the BOP but rather to be a last line of defense if the BOP fails. If the BOP leaks, the mechanical parts fail or the platform explodes destroying the BOP the DHSV will prevent the leak.
The DHSV is a backup for when the BOP fails, not a system to replace the BOP. It's like having a seat belt AND an air bag.
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
This is a bad spill, yes. But I do believe that US regulations can be updated to require DHSVs on all new wells without issue and with some expense on older wells.
:bleeding: Great. Hello, higher fuel prices! :(
Spontaneously, I would assume that the cost of installing this system would probably be lower than the cost of this type of accident.
How much of that precious oil is now wasted killing seagulls, dolphins and other cretinous parasites? The animals repopulate at a much faster rate than the oil, after all.
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 12:59:18 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 02, 2010, 12:43:17 PM
Given how inexpensive fuel is already, does a small increase really matter?
Yes. As an American I feel that regular 87 octane gasoline should cost ten cents a gallon. :)
When I rule your country, gasoline will be ten dollars per litre. Don't worry though, as your cities will have been rebuilt to allow for excellent public transit.
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 12:59:18 PM
Yes. As an American I feel that regular 87 octane gasoline should cost ten cents a gallon. :)
Hear, Hear!
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2010, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 02, 2010, 11:32:29 AMThat's what we need: a second fail-proof device, since the existing fail-proof device works so well! :P
I don't actually disagree with you, its just that what you say about the DHSV is the exact same thing that was said about the BOP. Two-valve safety is obviously superior to even great one-valve safety, but even it isn't foolproof.
At times like this where you are so manifestly idiotic I do make exception to me general rule of ignoring you.
In itself the BOP is manifestly superior to the DHSV, one being a massive arrangement with at least three possible closing valves and usually two choppers for severing wireline, coil tubing and drill pipe sealing the well as well. The DHSV is there not to be as good as the BOP but rather to be a last line of defense if the BOP fails. If the BOP leaks, the mechanical parts fail or the platform explodes destroying the BOP the DHSV will prevent the leak.
The DHSV is a backup for when the BOP fails, not a system to replace the BOP. It's like having a seat belt AND an air bag.
Sometimes your inability to read makes you look like such an asshole that even I have to laugh at your redass! :lmfao:
I said "I don't actually disagree with you," and your response is "you are so manifestly idiotic"! :lmfao:
It is true that usually would be manifestly idiotic to agree with anything you say, but since I ignore the stupid shit that dribbles out of your mouth in all cases but those where I agree, I am going to call shenanigans on being manifestly idiotic in this case.
And, yes, I understand perfectly well what the DHSV is and what it is supposed to do. In fact, I noted specifically that it is part of a general scheme called "two-valve safety," with which I am quite familiar as a former engineer in a steam-driven US Navy vessel.
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
This is a bad spill, yes. But I do believe that US regulations can be updated to require DHSVs on all new wells without issue and with some expense on older wells.
:bleeding: Great. Hello, higher fuel prices! :(
Just rent a boat on the gulf and skim the top of the water. Plenty of fuel.
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 12:59:18 PMYes. As an American I feel that regular 87 octane gasoline should cost ten cents a gallon. :)
Gas for personal use should be taxed $10 per gallon
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on May 02, 2010, 02:17:53 PM
Gas for personal use should be taxed $10 per gallon
Then I wouldn't get to go on joyrides anymore. :angry:
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on May 02, 2010, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2010, 12:59:18 PMYes. As an American I feel that regular 87 octane gasoline should cost ten cents a gallon. :)
Gas for personal use should be taxed $10 per gallon
If we go back to riding horses, the environment where I live is going to get a lot worse and we'll probably have a dysentery outbreak.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 02, 2010, 02:23:35 PM
If we go back to riding horses, the environment where I live is going to get a lot worse and we'll probably have a dysentery outbreak.
We won't be returning to a horse-drawn world. The infrastructure simply doesn't exist.
Instead, we'll be destroying the cities and rebuilding them. The density will be increased, and yards will be outlawed.
I can't wait for Hong Kong!
Quote from: garbon on May 02, 2010, 03:11:56 PM
I can't wait for Hong Kong!
Hong Kong is too filthy and Chinese.
Drill baby drill!
I'm so glad this happened in the south.
Quote from: Fate on May 02, 2010, 04:28:19 PM
I'm so glad this happened in the south.
It actually happened in the Gulf of Mexico.
Seems like this should be pretty easy to fix.
Yeah, I don't think this will impact gas prices as much as unrest in, say, North Africa.