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Title: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: Queequeg on April 21, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
Heyo.

Thought this (http://www.virtualani.org/citymap.htm) was a very cool link.  Lots of neat pictures, and a lot about the Turkish "reconstruction" of the area, and how many churches have collapsed/been destroyed over the last 70 years.  Some of it is really sad, but the pictures/drawings are still amazing.  Examples:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtualani.org%2Fmarr%2Fmarr_fig84.jpg&hash=96c41baee51fc7f7cb687bd18fe77ac295b434d7)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtualani.org%2Fmarr%2Fmarr_fig91.jpg&hash=90a67b3d6e56355a17c067f4d6c87724546e6eb5)
Drawing of a statue, including a hypothetical model of the Church that was in his hands, of King Gagik, greatest king of Ani.  His title is Shahanshah, he's Christian, his Church looks kind of Romanesque, but he's dressed like an Arab.  :lol:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtualani.org%2Fredeemer%2Fredeemer3.jpg&hash=b10011b61d4a7b4ea89331474f4aac137e664370)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtualani.org%2Fminuchihrmosque%2Fani_mosque_museum1910.jpg&hash=5b082d42a4bb9ece02093a009a8a655389485733)
This is from when there was a Museum there, and most of the Churches were whole, and the Mosque was in good repair as well.  In 1910.  (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtualani.org%2Fhoromos%2Fhoromos40s.jpg&hash=93dba5d8f540e4e345fd5ce55d3a9beac4c5e349)
Title: Re: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: The Brain on April 21, 2010, 04:06:57 PM
Ani rock.
Title: Re: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: garbon on April 21, 2010, 04:12:04 PM
Difranco :wub:
Title: Re: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: Queequeg on April 21, 2010, 04:35:49 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtualani.org%2Fcathedral%2Fcath16small.jpg&hash=66e2b3c7f3c0528a83808021c53eb359612c158a)
From Van Cathedral.  Looks really Gothic to me.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtualani.org%2Fcathedral%2Fcath17small.jpg&hash=0ccc74038d1eefa9296fa56e85e8bf8b7c3342a1)
Title: Re: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: Neil on April 21, 2010, 04:59:53 PM
Is it really sad though?  Older cultures fade away and are lost, that is their nature.
Title: Re: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: Queequeg on April 21, 2010, 05:10:17 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2010, 04:59:53 PM
Is it really sad though?  Older cultures fade away and are lost, that is their nature.
This site was well preserved by the Tsars.  I'm sorry, but when I can say this place was way better off under the Tsars than under a modern, European-style liberal democracy, something is wrong. 
Title: Re: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: Neil on April 21, 2010, 05:14:49 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 21, 2010, 05:10:17 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2010, 04:59:53 PM
Is it really sad though?  Older cultures fade away and are lost, that is their nature.
This site was well preserved by the Tsars.  I'm sorry, but when I can say this place was way better off under the Tsars than under a modern, European-style liberal democracy, something is wrong.
Why?  Liberal democracies are more rational in their doings than autocracies.  If anything, they can be more prone to abandon the past.
Title: Re: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: Queequeg on April 21, 2010, 05:24:14 PM
Selective abandonment of the past based upon the fact that you don't like the ethnicity is different from turning away form the past.
Title: Re: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: Neil on April 21, 2010, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 21, 2010, 05:24:14 PM
Selective abandonment of the past based upon the fact that you don't like the ethnicity is different from turning away form the past.
Not really.  Groups always tend to downplay those who occupied their land before them.
Title: Re: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: Queequeg on April 21, 2010, 05:39:16 PM
Not really.  There's a ton of interest in the Americans in native stuff. 
Title: Re: Ruins of Ani, Great Website
Post by: Neil on April 21, 2010, 06:34:58 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 21, 2010, 05:39:16 PM
Not really.  There's a ton of interest in the Americans in native stuff.
Sort of.  For some people.  As a hobby.

Of course, the minute that natives try to use that interest as an ethnic weapon, most people tune out or get angry.