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Title: Wireless router
Post by: lustindarkness on March 26, 2010, 10:06:55 AM
I need to start looking for a new router, my old dinosour Netgear keeps disconnecting me, even the PS3 that is hardwired to it. So, what sould I be looking for? Any recommendations? Also, should I also ask Charter for a new cable modem? that thing is just as old.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: Vricklund on March 26, 2010, 03:19:47 PM
I like the La Fonera routers, mainly because they're dirt cheap and you can reflash them with open-wrt or gargoyle. If you want I can email you a invite/discount on one ($/€19.95 shipping charges not included).
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: viper37 on March 26, 2010, 03:23:58 PM
WRT400N, from Linksys is apparently very good.  I'm not sure I'd rate as 100% positive though.  It seems to act... weirdly, some times.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: Barrister on March 26, 2010, 03:32:36 PM
Apple Airport Extreme.  :)
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: lustindarkness on March 26, 2010, 03:49:52 PM
WRT400N has good reviews, thanks. La Fonera seems to be british?
Is these the price ranges I can expect for a decent one? Bit more than I thought, but seems reasonable. Thank you for any recommendation, even the Mac crap :p, I'll keep looking too.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: Vricklund on March 26, 2010, 04:58:45 PM
Unless you don't have any wireless G gadgets or plan on upgrading all your equipment to wireless N there is little more than better coverage to win by buying an N router. See, an N router will gear down to G speeds if any such devices are found within range, to keep it compatible with your G gadgets. Perhaps this has been "fixed" in the newer routers?

Fonera is Spanish, the router is made in Taiwan I think.

If you're getting a cheap G router it's best to make sure it's possible to flash it with opensource, as the firmware delivered with such routers are nerfed and/or very poorly done. The opensource alternatives, however, are usually better than even the better commercial firmwares.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: derspiess on March 26, 2010, 08:16:35 PM
Not everyone wants to flash third-party firmware on to their routers; I try to keep this in mind when advising people at work what to get.  For most of them, a cheap reliable Wireless G router will do the trick. 

I have no first-hand experience with Wireless N routers-- G works fine in my house for what I need.

FWIW, Verizon had a deal a few weeks ago for Wireless G routers they were trying to unload.  I got one (should have loaded up) for $7 including overnight shipping to use as an emergency backup.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: Vricklund on March 26, 2010, 08:50:05 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 26, 2010, 08:16:35 PM
Not everyone wants to flash third-party firmware on to their routers; I try to keep this in mind when advising people at work what to get.  For most of them, a cheap reliable Wireless G router will do the trick.
Perhaps. It's really no more difficult than installing your favourite office suite. 15 min of your time and it'll give you a router that's alot more flexible.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: derspiess on March 26, 2010, 10:39:21 PM
Quote from: Vricklund on March 26, 2010, 08:50:05 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 26, 2010, 08:16:35 PM
Not everyone wants to flash third-party firmware on to their routers; I try to keep this in mind when advising people at work what to get.  For most of them, a cheap reliable Wireless G router will do the trick.
Perhaps. It's really no more difficult than installing your favourite office suite. 15 min of your time and it'll give you a router that's alot more flexible.

Depends.  For some routers, you have to flash a certain version or it's bricked.  For others, you have to flash a certain version *then* another version.  It's not that difficult if you do your research & make sure to follow the exact procedures, but it's not fool-proof.  Last thing I want to happen is to recommend to someone that they buy a certain router so they can install this cool custom firmware on it, only to have them bork the installation & blame me for the advice.

Not that I think Lusti isn't capable of doing it; I just don't know if it's something he wants to do.  Most people would have no use for the extra features you get from custom firmware-- they just want the thing to work.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: lustindarkness on March 27, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 26, 2010, 10:39:21 PM
Quote from: Vricklund on March 26, 2010, 08:50:05 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 26, 2010, 08:16:35 PM
Not everyone wants to flash third-party firmware on to their routers; I try to keep this in mind when advising people at work what to get.  For most of them, a cheap reliable Wireless G router will do the trick.
Perhaps. It's really no more difficult than installing your favourite office suite. 15 min of your time and it'll give you a router that's alot more flexible.

Depends.  For some routers, you have to flash a certain version or it's bricked.  For others, you have to flash a certain version *then* another version.  It's not that difficult if you do your research & make sure to follow the exact procedures, but it's not fool-proof.  Last thing I want to happen is to recommend to someone that they buy a certain router so they can install this cool custom firmware on it, only to have them bork the installation & blame me for the advice.

Not that I think Lusti isn't capable of doing it; I just don't know if it's something he wants to do.  Most people would have no use for the extra features you get from custom firmware-- they just want the thing to work.

This, keep it simple and easy and made sure it works.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: lustindarkness on March 27, 2010, 08:05:22 PM
Oh, and thanks guys.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: Alcibiades on March 30, 2010, 01:12:57 AM
My router has been giving me a lot of grief over the past couple of months and it appears to be going out here shortly.  So hoping to buy a new one tomorrow if I can get your guys' input on this.

Been looking at

D-Link 4-Port GamerLounge Broadband Gigabit Gaming Router
http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-4-Port-GamerLounge-Broadband-Gigabit/dp/B0006TIA0C/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

or the one mentioned here,

WRT400N
http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-WRT400N-Dual-Band-Wireless-N-Router/dp/B001SEL36M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1269929524&sr=1-1

Same price, just wondering what you guys recommend.

I use it for 2 Pcs and a ps3.  All wired so that really isn't too big of an issue for me either way.  Just need something that doesn't cut my internet connection when I turn on my ps3 or decide the connection wants to quit until I reset the router.

Thanks

Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: Vricklund on March 30, 2010, 01:40:20 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 30, 2010, 01:12:57 AM
Been looking at

D-Link 4-Port GamerLounge Broadband Gigabit Gaming Router
http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-4-Port-GamerLounge-Broadband-Gigabit/dp/B0006TIA0C/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

My parents' been using a wireless version (http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-DGL-4300-Wireless-Gaming-Router/dp/B0006TIA02/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1269930744&sr=1-1) of that router for 5 years. Slightly muddled interface but it's been stable and has all the settings you might want.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: viper37 on March 30, 2010, 11:36:22 AM
I have the WRT400N, can't say it's bad, can't say I'm really impressed either.  However, I've been disapointed with the past D-Link routers I got...

Imho, you should go for the wireless router, just in case you need it in a year or two.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: lustindarkness on April 02, 2010, 08:33:00 AM
Can someone explain the G vs N? A good G is like half the price, need to consider that.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: ulmont on April 02, 2010, 08:44:34 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 02, 2010, 08:33:00 AM
Can someone explain the G vs N? A good G is like half the price, need to consider that.

802.11n has a maximum speed of over 10 times that of 802.11g, with observed speeds more like 4-5 times faster.

On the other hand, 802.11g can commonly get 10-20 mbits/sec speeds, which is likely more than enough to saturate your internet connection...
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: derspiess on April 02, 2010, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: ulmont on April 02, 2010, 08:44:34 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 02, 2010, 08:33:00 AM
Can someone explain the G vs N? A good G is like half the price, need to consider that.

802.11n has a maximum speed of over 10 times that of 802.11g, with observed speeds more like 4-5 times faster.

On the other hand, 802.11g can commonly get 10-20 mbits/sec speeds, which is likely more than enough to saturate your internet connection...

Just to add, the size/layout of your house and the placement of the router have a lot to do with the quality of your signal.  G may well be sufficient (it is for me).  My parents' house is a different story.  My dad has his router in the basement (in a corner, no less) and neither G nor N do too great of a job getting through the two floors to the opposite end of the house.  We thought N would do the trick, but that house is hell for trying to get any consistent radio signal more than 1 room away.

Another thing to keep in mind, Lusti, is that if you have an N router but your laptop & other wifi devices are G, you won't see any benefit from N. 

Since you can find G routers for as little as $20 these days, I say try one that seems to have decent consumer reviews, and see how it works out.  And I would try to find one that has an external antenna (or even two).  The ones with internal antennae may look purty, but in my experience, external is always preferable.
Title: Re: Wireless router
Post by: lustindarkness on April 03, 2010, 08:03:43 PM
Well, so much for research.  :lol:
I had told the wife what I was looking for and why N band instead of G and so on and so forth (to prepare her for the $) and here she comes from Walmart with a Linksys WRT160N for $59.97. Not the fastest connection for gaming I think, but seems it should work better than what I have now. I'll take a closer look at it later when I have the time. Thank you all for the input.