http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7988169.stm
Apparently paying for sex is now older than humanity itself... Slargos can now consider himself as part of a long tradition of paying nigerians for sex.
QuoteChimpanzees exchange meat for sex
By Victoria Gill
Science reporter, BBC News
Chimpanzees enter into "deals" whereby they exchange meat for sex, according to researchers.
Male chimps that are willing to share the proceeds of their hunting expeditions mate twice as often as their more selfish counterparts.
This is a long-term exchange, so males continue to share their catch with females when they are not fertile, copulating with them when they are.
The team describe their findings in the journal PLoS One.
Cristina Gomes and her colleagues, from the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany, studied chimps in the Tai Forest reserve in Ivory Coast.
She and her team observed the animals as they hunted, and monitored the number of times they copulated.
"By sharing, the males increase the number of times they mate, and the females increase their intake of calories," said Dr Gomes.
"What's amazing is that if a male shares with a particular female, he doubles the number of times he copulates with her, which is likely to increase the probability of fertilising that female."
High value
Meat is important for the animals' diet because it is so high in protein. Since female chimps do not usually hunt, "they have a hard time getting it on their own," explained Dr Gomes.
The "meat for sex hypothesis" had already been proposed to explain why male chimps might share with females.
But previous attempts to record the phenomenon failed, because researchers looked for direct exchanges, where a male shared meat with a fertile female and copulated with her right away.
Dr Gomes' team took a new approach. In a previous study, she had found that grooming exchange - where the animals take it in turns to groom each other - happens over long periods, she related. "So we thought, why not meat and sex?
"We looked at chimps when they were not in oestrus, this means they don't have sexual swellings and aren't copulating."
"The males still share with them - they might share meat with a female one day, and only copulate with her a day or two later."
Dr Gomes thinks that her findings could even provide clues about human evolution.
She suggests this study could lay the foundations for human studies exploring the link between "good hunting skills and reproductive success".
"This has got me really interested in humans," she said. "I'm thinking of moving on to working with hunter-gatherers."
Michael Gurven from the University of California in Santa Barbara studies human behaviour in communities of hunter-gatherers in South America.
He told BBC News that the direct link between success in hunting and reproduction highlighted by this study could "help in our thinking about humans".
Professor Gurven, who was not involved in this study, added that the nature of this exchange of meat for sex is "kind of like pair bonding in humans, because it's long-term.
"This highlights something we haven't seen in chimps before."
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Published: 2009/04/07 23:20:39 GMT
The chimps in Stockholm zoo don't do that of course.
Considering most mammal males beat the shit out of each other to win mates, using a more peaceful route just makes sense for all involved. The females get stuff and the males get to not constantly be in combat.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 08, 2009, 10:35:35 AM
The chimps in Stockholm zoo don't do that of course.
Ask the Brain. He'd know.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 08, 2009, 10:35:35 AM
The chimps in Stockholm zoo don't do that of course.
Socialist chimp sex? To each according to his needs?
Quote from: Valmy on April 08, 2009, 10:35:43 AM
The females get stuff and the males get to not constantly be in combat.
I would think that the former owner of the meat would beg to differ.
Quote from: Valmy on April 08, 2009, 10:36:26 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 08, 2009, 10:35:35 AM
The chimps in Stockholm zoo don't do that of course.
Socialist chimp sex? To each according to his needs?
It's illegal to pay for sex in Sweden.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 08, 2009, 10:43:10 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 08, 2009, 10:36:26 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 08, 2009, 10:35:35 AM
The chimps in Stockholm zoo don't do that of course.
Socialist chimp sex? To each according to his needs?
It's illegal to pay for sex in Sweden.
I didn't know they banned alimony?
Surely that's paying for not having sex though :unsure:
Penguins also have a "pay for sex" system, but it involves the male giving rocks to the female to help her build her nest.
Who knew?
Quote from: Valmy on April 08, 2009, 10:35:43 AM
Considering most mammal males beat the shit out of each other to win mates, using a more peaceful route just makes sense for all involved. The females get stuff and the males get to not constantly be in combat.
I think it's a fine system. No need to change anything.
Not so sure I'd say its entirely prostitution, I see more of an analogy with marriage (albeit polygamous)
Quote from: charliebear on April 08, 2009, 10:52:54 AM
Penguins also have a "pay for sex" system, but it involves the male giving rocks to the female to help her build her nest.
Who knew?
You need to give rocks to get your rocks off?
Quote from: charliebear on April 08, 2009, 10:52:54 AM
Penguins also have a "pay for sex" system, but it involves the male giving rocks to the female to help her build her nest.
Who knew?
What a coincidence I gave a female a rock also.
Male Raptors would kill a large dinosaur, leave its carcass out and wait for a female to approach, with the carcass as a bribe. Its probably about as old as sex.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2009, 12:47:39 PM
Male Raptors would kill a large dinosaur, leave its carcass out and wait for a female to approach, with the carcass as a bribe. Its probably about as old as sex.
Paleontologists have managed to find evidence suggesting that? :blink:
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2009, 12:49:19 PMPaleontologists have managed to find evidence suggesting that? :blink:
It is amazing what one can do with only a few partial skeletons.
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2009, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2009, 12:47:39 PM
Male Raptors would kill a large dinosaur, leave its carcass out and wait for a female to approach, with the carcass as a bribe. Its probably about as old as sex.
Paleontologists have managed to find evidence suggesting that? :blink:
Hey, just because PALEONTOLOGISTS tend to do it when *they* are looking for a mate, doesn't mean that the dinosaurs they study did it.
;)
Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2009, 12:47:39 PM
Male Raptors would kill a large dinosaur, leave its carcass out and wait for a female to approach, with the carcass as a bribe. Its probably about as old as sex.
Says who?
Indeed, this seems like something Tim would be an expert on. :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2009, 02:50:06 PM
Indeed, this seems like something Tim would be an expert on. :cool:
How many Dinosaurs could a whore service a night?
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 08, 2009, 02:53:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2009, 02:50:06 PM
Indeed, this seems like something Tim would be an expert on. :cool:
How many Dinosaurs could a whore service a night?
Dinosaur Whores.
Band name!
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2009, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2009, 12:47:39 PM
Male Raptors would kill a large dinosaur, leave its carcass out and wait for a female to approach, with the carcass as a bribe. Its probably about as old as sex.
Paleontologists have managed to find evidence suggesting that? :blink:
I don't know why it is surprising at all; some of these were huge, mostly solitary creatures whose individual territory would be absolutely huge, facilitating an incredible sense of smell and general hostility to encroachment on turf. Is it that surprising that one dinosaur would bribe another to venture into new ground, or possibly even to find one?
Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2009, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2009, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2009, 12:47:39 PM
Male Raptors would kill a large dinosaur, leave its carcass out and wait for a female to approach, with the carcass as a bribe. Its probably about as old as sex.
Paleontologists have managed to find evidence suggesting that? :blink:
I don't know why it is surprising at all; some of these were huge, mostly solitary creatures whose individual territory would be absolutely huge, facilitating an incredible sense of smell and general hostility to encroachment on turf. Is it that surprising that one dinosaur would bribe another to venture into new ground, or possibly even to find one?
We have plenty of animals now that have vast territories and hate other of their species. They manage to mate just fine without food bribes. Incredible sense of smell works against your theory, as then the males would easily smell a receptive female bordering his territory and venture in. In fact, often in territorial loner animlas the males venture in, not the other way around.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2009, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2009, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2009, 12:47:39 PM
Male Raptors would kill a large dinosaur, leave its carcass out and wait for a female to approach, with the carcass as a bribe. Its probably about as old as sex.
Paleontologists have managed to find evidence suggesting that? :blink:
I don't know why it is surprising at all; some of these were huge, mostly solitary creatures whose individual territory would be absolutely huge, facilitating an incredible sense of smell and general hostility to encroachment on turf. Is it that surprising that one dinosaur would bribe another to venture into new ground, or possibly even to find one?
What in god's name are you smoking, nothing you are typing here makes much sense.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2009, 04:14:40 PM
I don't know why it is surprising at all; some of these were huge, mostly solitary creatures whose individual territory would be absolutely huge, facilitating an incredible sense of smell and general hostility to encroachment on turf. Is it that surprising that one dinosaur would bribe another to venture into new ground, or possibly even to find one?
No matter how hostile, animals manage to mate without food bribes. Also, I think the relative stupidity of Velociraptor might preclude such advanced behavior.
I'm just glad this thread wasn't about senior citizen prostitutes. :x
I give women my meat.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2009, 04:14:40 PMI don't know why it is surprising at all; some of these were huge, mostly solitary creatures whose individual territory would be absolutely huge, facilitating an incredible sense of smell and general hostility to encroachment on turf. Is it that surprising that one dinosaur would bribe another to venture into new ground, or possibly even to find one?
No, it's not surprising. What's surprising is that there is, as you claim, evidence that this was the case. :rolleyes:
Those dinosaurs also turned into Armenians.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 09, 2009, 07:02:30 AM
Those dinosaurs also turned into Armenians.
Chixculub committed genocide. ADMIT IT OBAMA :mad: