Suck it Turks, whinny bitches.
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QuoteHouse panel OKs Armenian genocide measure
Turkish government upset, says it's recalling ambassador in Washington
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updated 1:49 p.m. PT, Thurs., March. 4, 2010
WASHINGTON - A congressional panel approved a resolution Thursday declaring the Ottoman-era killing of Armenians genocide over protests by Turkey, a NATO ally that is crucial to U.S. interests in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
Minutes after the vote, Turkey said it was recalling its ambassador from Washington.
The House Foreign Affairs Committee endorsed the resolution with a 23-22 vote Thursday, even though the Obama administration had urged Congress not to offend Turkey by approving it.
The resolution now goes to the full House, where prospects for passage are uncertain.
Turkey, a NATO ally with a pivotal role for U.S. interests in the Middle East and Afghanistan, has warned that the resolution's approval could jeopardize U.S-Turkish cooperation and set back negotiations aimed at opening the border between Turkey and Armenia.
Armenian American groups have for decades sought congressional affirmation of the killings as genocide.
'Terrible consequences'
Hours before the vote, White House spokesman Mike Hammer said in a statement that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had spoken with the chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, Democratic Rep. Howard Berman, and indicated that "further Congressional action could impede progress on normalization of relations" between Turkey and Armenia.
Hammer would not elaborate on the details of the conversation.
Still, Berman on Thursday urged fellow members of the committee to pass the resolution.
"The Turks say passing this resolution could have terrible consequences for our bilateral relationship, and indeed perhaps there will be some consequences," Berman said. "But I believe that Turkey values its relations with the United States at least as much as we value our relations with Turkey."
Even if the measure doesn't go beyond the committee, Turkey has warned it could jeopardize U.S-Turkish cooperation and set back negotiations aimed at opening the border between Turkey and Armenia.
Hammer said Obama called Turkey's president, Abdullah Gul, on Wednesday to express his appreciation for Turkey's efforts to normalize relations with Armenia. Obama urged Turkey to rapidly ratify a deal reached in October with Armenia that would open the border between the two countries.
The deal must be approved by the Turkish parliament, and Turkish lawmakers have warned that the committee's vote could stall progress.
'Cusp of normalization'
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs suggested the administration was trying to buy time for Turkey's parliament to act.
"Our focus is on continuing to make progress on an issue that has, for almost 100 years, divided two countries," Gibbs said. "Through some very tough diplomatic work by Secretary Clinton, we've made progress. We're on the cusp of normalization."
The Foreign Affairs Committee approved a similar genocide measure in 2007, but it was not brought to the House floor for a vote following intensive pressure by then-President George W. Bush.
Following the 2007 committee vote, Turkey promptly recalled its ambassador, and U.S. officials feared the Turks might cut off American access to a Turkish air base essential to operations in Iraq.
On Thursday, a Turkish official suggested his country could again recall its ambassador to the United States if the congressional panel approves the resolution.
"All options are on the table," the government official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said she will wait to see the result of the committee vote before deciding whether to bring it up for a vote.
The United States still wants Turkey's support for its operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also is pressing Turkey, which holds a rotating seat on the U.N. Security Council, to support sanctions against Iran, Turkey's neighbor.
Armenian American groups have for decades sought congressional affirmation of the killings as genocide. Historians estimate that up to 1.5 million Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks around the time of World War I, an event widely viewed by scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century. Turkey denies that the deaths constituted genocide, saying the toll has been inflated and those killed were victims of civil war and unrest.
In April, Obama failed to brand the killings genocide in an annual White House statement on the day marking Armenian remembrance. Obama said that while he had not changed his personal views, he did not want to upset promising talks between Turkey and Armenia on improving relations and opening their border. Turkey sealed the border in 1993 to protest Armenia's war with neighboring Azerbaijan.
The White House reiterated that Obama's views of the killings had not changed.
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LOL from the thread title I thought the US Congress approved the genocide of Armenians. :D
Quote from: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 02:59:19 AM
LOL from the thread title I thought the US Congress approved the genocide of Armenians. :D
:lol:
I didn't see that until you mentioned it.
What I don't understand is the need for the US House to consider the matter at all.
Quote from: Monoriu on March 05, 2010, 03:27:21 AM
What I don't understand is the need for the US House to consider the matter at all.
Armenian lobby
/Comte Largent
Racism!
Hopefully at some point the government will get back to the important shit and leave Turkey alone over stuff they may or may not have done almost a century ago. :mellow:
Not surprising, Turkey has alienated the Pro-Israel lobby which usually lobbies against such measures. Now their anti genocidairism gets to shine.
Stupid and pointless.
Quote from: Viking on March 05, 2010, 05:18:13 AM
Not surprising, Turkey has alienated the Pro-Israel lobby which usually lobbies against such measures. Now their anti genocidairism gets to shine.
Why do they usually lobby against it?
Because in a Israel needs an ally to stop the Congress from OKing Palestinian genocide measures.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 05, 2010, 05:23:25 AM
Stupid and pointless.
Not really. It's an acknowledgement of history. Something Japan could learn.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 05, 2010, 06:01:17 AM
Quote from: Viking on March 05, 2010, 05:18:13 AM
Not surprising, Turkey has alienated the Pro-Israel lobby which usually lobbies against such measures. Now their anti genocidairism gets to shine.
Why do they usually lobby against it?
Because of the good relations between Israel and Turkey. They have in the past lobbied against previous resolutions of this kind on those grounds.
http://www.usak.org.tr/EN/makale.asp?id=1297
QuoteAnother area in which Turkey, Israel, and the US lobbies collide is the Armenian issue. In the past, Jewish organizations often lobbied on Turkey's behalf against the Armenian Diaspora's interest groups,...
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 05, 2010, 06:12:02 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 05, 2010, 05:23:25 AM
Stupid and pointless.
Not really. It's an acknowledgement of history. Something Japan could learn.
I'm not sure. It's as if France passed a resolution today condemning the US for the Trail of Tears. Or if Germany condemned France for the quelling of the revolt in Vandee.
Quote from: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 09:33:59 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 05, 2010, 06:12:02 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 05, 2010, 05:23:25 AM
Stupid and pointless.
Not really. It's an acknowledgement of history. Something Japan could learn.
I'm not sure. It's as if France passed a resolution today condemning the US for the Trail of Tears. Or if Germany condemned France for the quelling of the revolt in Vandee.
Neither of those countries are important. The United States is. :showoff:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 05, 2010, 06:12:02 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 05, 2010, 05:23:25 AM
Stupid and pointless.
Not really. It's an acknowledgement of history. Something Japan could learn.
What good would that accomplish?
At any rate, I don't see any real value in annoying the Turks for the sake of the Armenians.
Quote from: Jaron on March 05, 2010, 04:51:59 AM
Hopefully at some point the government will get back to the important shit and leave Turkey alone over stuff they may or may not have done almost a century ago. :mellow:
Turkey didn't exist a century ago and it isn't Turkey that is the accused in this case.
Quote from: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 09:33:59 AM
I'm not sure. It's as if France passed a resolution today condemning the US for the Trail of Tears. Or if Germany condemned France for the quelling of the revolt in Vandee.
The second is relevant, the first is not. It would be more like France passing a resolution condemning the Lachine massacre and the US recalling its ambassador as a result.
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2010, 09:53:22 AM
At any rate, I don't see any real value in annoying the Turks for the sake of the Armenians.
What about just annoying Turks for the sake of annoying Turks?
Quote from: Viking on March 05, 2010, 09:58:03 AM
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2010, 09:53:22 AM
At any rate, I don't see any real value in annoying the Turks for the sake of the Armenians.
What about just annoying Turks for the sake of annoying Turks?
Turks are valuable.