Poll
Question:
Who do you prefer: Gladstone or Disraeli?
Option 1: Gladstone
votes: 10
Option 2: Disraeli
votes: 12
I'm intrigued to know what certain people (BBoy, for example think). Who do you prefer?
The showy, exotic, witty 'alte Jude' Disraeli who reformed conservatism in this country forever. A great foreign policy figure who also reformed the country's social apparatus introducing the first health and safety regulations and making conservatism progressive, while never missing a political trick.
Or the austere, eccentric, haranguing former slaving Liberal Gladstone. The man who tried to settle every great issue of his day (he often failed, and sometime's Disraeli stole his thunder). A man who made modern politics in many respects and probably the greatest campaigner in British history. A principled, almost Roman classical liberal who would rather fail politically (if he noticed politics at all) than bend morally.
The greatest political loser of all time (fail, win, fail, fail, fail, win for a generation and more) against a man who was always great on the rebound.
I'd rather have Gladstone as a PM, but Disraeli as a dinner guest.
The non-Jew. :)
Disraeli by a mile. He stamped conservatism as effective reform coupled with the preservation of social order and the expansion of English civilization to the ends of the earth.
D'Israeli. :british:
I say we have it decided by the Octagon.
Disraeli
Disraeli, Gladstone was a fag.
And I thought the thread was about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXET1kvEOAY :(
Disraeli :bowler:
Quote from: Siege on April 04, 2009, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 04, 2009, 07:13:23 PM
The non-Jew. :)
Anti-semite!
He's referring to Disraeli. Remember, Disraeli was an Anglican. :contract: :contract:
Quote from: Viking on April 05, 2009, 07:31:47 AM
Quote from: Siege on April 04, 2009, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 04, 2009, 07:13:23 PM
The non-Jew. :)
Anti-semite!
He's referring to Disraeli. Remember, Disraeli was an Anglican. :contract: :contract:
It's important to remember that most civilized Jews abandon their primitive faith to one degree or another. The fact that Siegebreaker hasn't (and in fact believes that he has magical powers) is some of the most damning evidence for his third-worldedness.
Quote from: Viking on April 05, 2009, 07:31:47 AM
Quote from: Siege on April 04, 2009, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 04, 2009, 07:13:23 PM
The non-Jew. :)
Anti-semite!
He's referring to Disraeli. Remember, Disraeli was an Anglican. :contract: :contract:
Well, his father converted when he was young after a big argument within the local Synagogue. Disraeli never forgot or played down his Jewish roots ('while my ancestors were serving in the Temple of Solomon the honourable gentleman's were living in a cave on a rain-soaked forgotten isle') and nor did his opponents.
Bleichröder. :wub:
Disraeli
Gladstone.
I liked Disraeli Gears.
I just reread the title as 'Victorian Shadowrun'.