BBC: Gunman kills 13 in New York siege (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7982444.stm)
QuoteA gunman has killed 13 people after taking dozens hostage in the US state of New York.
The suspected gunman was later found dead inside the immigration centre in Binghamton, police officials said.
Nearly 40 people escaped from the building but four were critically injured in the shooting, north-west of New York City, police said.
President Barack Obama, in Europe for a Nato summit, said he was "shocked and saddened" by the "senseless violence".
Mr Obama said his administration was "actively monitoring the situation" and that Vice-President Joe Biden was in touch with officials in Binghamton.
The town's police chief, Joseph Zikuski, told a news conference that 14 people had been found dead in the American Civic Association (ACA) buildings.
The man believed to have carried out the attack was found dead with an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound, he said. Ammunition, two more hand guns and a hunting knife were recovered from the scene.
Democratic Congressman Maurice Hinchey told AP the gunman had entered a room where people were sitting exams for US citizenship.
"It was in the middle of a test. He just went in and opened fire," said Mr Hinchey, whose congressional district includes Binghamton.
The BBC's Matthew Price in Binghamton says people in the town are struggling to deal with the horror of what some have described as an "unbelievable" attack.
Wounded
Witnesses reported seeing a man entering the ACA building during the morning. He was described as being of Asian appearance, in his 20s, and wearing a bright green nylon jacket and dark-rimmed glasses.
The gunman, believed to have been a Vietnamese-American, used his car to barricade the building's back door before bursting in the front door, firing his weapon, said officials.
He shot two receptionists, one of whom managed to call the police, before walking down a corridor towards classrooms.
Police were on the scene in minutes - people in nearby apartments, a school and a care home were told to stay in their buildings and some streets were sealed off.
Mr Zikuski said 26 people took refuge in the building's basement after hearing gunshots.
Eyewitnesses described seeing some people fleeing the building.
"About 15 or so employees of the Civic Association came out crying with their hands behind their heads," one witness told Binghamton's WNBF Radio.
"They were escorted by the police and they took them to ambulances and took them away," he said.
Two other people were seen being led away by police in plastic handcuffs during the incident but officials later said they were not suspects.
Police later raided the home of the suspected gunman and removed items including computer hard drives and a rifle bag, reports said.
'Profound outrage'
Local hospitals have said about 30 people are being treated.
A spokeswoman for Our Lady of Lourdes hospital told the BBC several people had been admitted with serious injuries.
The governor of New York state, David Paterson, said it had been "a tragic day for New York".
"This is a horrible situation. There's actually no reason or excuse for this kind of shooting and brutal attack on innocent people right here in New York state," he said.
Mr Paterson told a news conference there was "a profound sense of outrage at this senseless act of violence in which many innocent people were killed, injured and probably traumatised for some time to come".
He said many of the victims were not from the US and police were in the process of contacting their families living abroad.
New York State would offer any assistance to the victims, who had "wanted to be part of the American dream and so tragically may have had that hope thwarted today", said Mr Paterson.
"There still is an American dream and all of us who are Americans will try to heal this very, very deep wound in the city of Binghamton."
Our correspondent said police were picking through evidence in the building trying to determine what had happened and why.
Bob Joseph of WNBF Radio told the BBC the town had never experienced an incident on such a scale before.
The ACA says on its website that it assists immigrants and refugees with personal and immigration counselling.
Why would an immigrant go and shoot down other immigrants taking the citizenship test?
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Why would an immigrant go and shoot down other immigrants taking the citizenship test?
Why does anyone shoot 13 random civilians? Because they're fucking crazy.
Quote from: Syt on April 04, 2009, 12:15:51 AM
Why would an immigrant go and shoot down other immigrants taking the citizenship test?
It is obvious, really. Even I know that the main character in GTA IV is an immigrant and frequently shoots other immigrants.
apparently some Paki-Taliban dude has claimed responsability for the attack.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 04, 2009, 02:55:56 PM
apparently some Paki-Taliban dude has claimed responsability for the attack.
:huh:
Quote from: katmai on April 04, 2009, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 04, 2009, 02:55:56 PM
apparently some Paki-Taliban dude has claimed responsability for the attack.
:huh:
is what I heard on the news.
Pretty bizarre indeed
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 04, 2009, 03:56:27 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 04, 2009, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 04, 2009, 02:55:56 PM
apparently some Paki-Taliban dude has claimed responsability for the attack.
:huh:
is what I heard on the news.
Pretty bizarre indeed
Just because some wackjob claims involvement doesn't make it true.
Our withdraw from Vietnam has embolden the North Vietnamese.
I wonder what the human toll of the recession would be. It seems like not a day goes by without news of fresh mass killing. Good thing we also have let the assault rifle ban expire, so that someone who's gone off the deep end can kill 3-4 cops instead of just one or two.
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
I wonder what the human toll of the recession would be. It seems like not a day goes by without news of fresh mass killing. Good thing we also have let the assault rifle ban expire, so that someone who's gone off the deep end can kill 3-4 cops instead of just one or two.
Guns don't kill people. Muslims do.
Quote from: Siege on April 05, 2009, 02:01:40 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
I wonder what the human toll of the recession would be. It seems like not a day goes by without news of fresh mass killing. Good thing we also have let the assault rifle ban expire, so that someone who's gone off the deep end can kill 3-4 cops instead of just one or two.
Guns don't kill people. Muslims do.
We should purge Muslims from the country. Make everyone pass a test where they have to eat bacon or get declared a Muslim.
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
I wonder what the human toll of the recession would be. It seems like not a day goes by without news of fresh mass killing. Good thing we also have let the assault rifle ban expire, so that someone who's gone off the deep end can kill 3-4 cops instead of just one or two.
Interestingly, none of these recent mass killings have involved assault rifles.
"OMG let's leave assault rifles legal and ban semiautomatic handguns!"
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
I wonder what the human toll of the recession would be. It seems like not a day goes by without news of fresh mass killing. Good thing we also have let the assault rifle ban expire, so that someone who's gone off the deep end can kill 3-4 cops instead of just one or two.
It only banned 19 types, and with some cosmetic re-jiggering, could be entered in the market.
The ban was mostly a joke. Remove the bayonet mount and folding stock? NEW RIFLE!
Quote from: Caliga on April 05, 2009, 07:06:10 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
I wonder what the human toll of the recession would be. It seems like not a day goes by without news of fresh mass killing. Good thing we also have let the assault rifle ban expire, so that someone who's gone off the deep end can kill 3-4 cops instead of just one or two.
Interestingly, none of these recent mass killings have involved assault rifles.
"OMG let's leave assault rifles legal and ban semiautomatic handguns!"
Interestingly the one yesterday did. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/04/pittsburgh.officers.shot/index.html
Quote from: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on April 05, 2009, 05:04:18 AM
Quote from: Siege on April 05, 2009, 02:01:40 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
I wonder what the human toll of the recession would be. It seems like not a day goes by without news of fresh mass killing. Good thing we also have let the assault rifle ban expire, so that someone who's gone off the deep end can kill 3-4 cops instead of just one or two.
Guns don't kill people. Muslims do.
We should purge Muslims from the country. Make everyone pass a test where they have to eat bacon or get declared a Muslim.
So all devout Jews would be labeled Muslim and deported?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 05, 2009, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 05, 2009, 07:06:10 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
I wonder what the human toll of the recession would be. It seems like not a day goes by without news of fresh mass killing. Good thing we also have let the assault rifle ban expire, so that someone who's gone off the deep end can kill 3-4 cops instead of just one or two.
Interestingly, none of these recent mass killings have involved assault rifles.
"OMG let's leave assault rifles legal and ban semiautomatic handguns!"
Interestingly the one yesterday did. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/04/pittsburgh.officers.shot/index.html
If you're going to kill cops than you need a rifle. It makes any protective vest into Swiss cheese. Any rifle will do. People who don't know that much about firearms tend to over glorify the "auto" aspect of assault rifles. If anything, using an AK-47 on full auto makes you far less accurate, and therefore less dangerous, than someone firing a short three shot burst or a single shot. And a three shot burst is easily done on a rifle that isn't a full "automatic".
EDIT: I forget this is Languish. Any rifle that shoots a decent sized shell, so not a .22 or other similar popgun.
I should fondle my SKS and 30 round magazines a bit today. Give her a good cleaning.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 05, 2009, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on April 05, 2009, 05:04:18 AM
Quote from: Siege on April 05, 2009, 02:01:40 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
I wonder what the human toll of the recession would be. It seems like not a day goes by without news of fresh mass killing. Good thing we also have let the assault rifle ban expire, so that someone who's gone off the deep end can kill 3-4 cops instead of just one or two.
Guns don't kill people. Muslims do.
We should purge Muslims from the country. Make everyone pass a test where they have to eat bacon or get declared a Muslim.
So all devout Jews would be labeled Muslim and deported?
Notice who I was replying to. :P
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 05, 2009, 09:20:54 AM
So all devout Jews would be labeled Muslim and deported?
Excellent idea.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 05, 2009, 09:19:42 AM
Interestingly the one yesterday did. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/04/pittsburgh.officers.shot/index.html
Wow. They took a cop-killing perp alive. Normally, the police are smarter than that, or less well-disciplined.
Quote from: Caliga on April 05, 2009, 07:06:10 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
I wonder what the human toll of the recession would be. It seems like not a day goes by without news of fresh mass killing. Good thing we also have let the assault rifle ban expire, so that someone who's gone off the deep end can kill 3-4 cops instead of just one or two.
Interestingly, none of these recent mass killings have involved assault rifles.
"OMG let's leave assault rifles legal and ban semiautomatic handguns!"
Some of the cops in California were killed with an assault rifle. All three cops in Pittsburgh were also killed with assault rifle.
I was driving through Binghamton on the day this happened. Listened to the press conference with the police on npr in the afternoon.
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DATE: MARCH - 18 - 2009
DEAR: NEW TEN NOW
I AM JiVERLY WONG SHOOTING THE PEOPLE
THE FiRST I WANT TO SAY SORRY I KNOW A LiTTLE ENGLiSH I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF THiS. OF COURSE YOU NEED TO KNOW WHY I SHOOTING? BECAUSE UNDERCOVER COP GAVE ME A LOT OF ASS DURiNG EiGHTEEN YEARS. I GOT SEVEN YEARS AND EiGHT MONTH DELiVERY TO GROCERY IN THE CALiFORNiA. CAME BACK NEW YORK ON THE AUGUST - 2007. LET TALK ABOUT WHEN I LiVE IN CALiFORNiA. SUCH AS. . .COP USED 24 HOURS THE TECHNiQUE OF ULTRAMODERN AND CAMERA FOR BURN THE CHEMiCAL IN MY HOUSE. FOR SWiTCH THE CHANNEL Ti.Vi. FOR ADJUST THE FAN. FOR MADE ME UNBREATHBLE. FOR MADE ME VOMiT. FOR CONNECT THE MUSiC INTO MY EAR.
UNDERCOVER COP USUAL COiNED SOME NASTY WAS NOT TRUE ABOUT ME AND SPREAD A RUMOUR TO THE RECEiVER AND SOME PEOPLE KNOW ME CONDUCE TOWARD MANY PEOPLE PREJUDiCED AND SELFiSH TO ME . . . COP MADE ME LOST MY JOB . . . COP PUT ME BECAME POOR.
LET TALK ABOUT WHEN I LiVE AT THE 28.BAKER . ST. 2ND FLOOR. JOHNSON CiTY. NEW YORK 13790. IT TERRiBLE WHEN I LiVE THERE SUCH AS. . COP WAiT UNTiL MiDNiGHT WHEN I OFF THE LiGHT AND WENT TO THE BED. COP UNLOCK MY DOOR AND CAME IN TAKE A SiT IN MY ROOM <<COP DiD IT THiRTEEN TiME ON THE YEAR 1994>> ON THE THiRTEEN TiME HAD THREE TiME TOUCH ME WHEN I SLEEPiNG. ONE TiME STOLEN 20 DOLLAR IN MY WALLET ONE TiME USED ELECTRiC GUN SHOOT AT THE BEHiND MY NECK. (THAT TiME I DID NOT KNOW ENGLiSH)
PLEASE CONTiNUE SECOND PAGE THANK YOU.
(Page 2)
FROM 1990 TO 1995 NEW YORK UNDERCOVER COP TRY TO GET A CAR ACCiDENT WiTH ME. SUCH AS WHEN I DRiViNG ON THE HiGHWAY AND ON THE STREET UNDERCOVER COP SUNDDENLY BRAKE THE CAR STOP IMMEDiATELY AT THE OF FRONT MY CAR . . . COP DiD IT 32 TiME LiKE THAT DURiNG 1990 TO 1995 BUT I NEVER HiT THE CAR.
MANY TiME FROM 1990 TO 1997 AT THE DAY TiME . . . COP EXPLOiT UNKNON ENGLiSH AND WENT TO MY HOUSE KNOCK THE DOOR FOR HARASS AND DOMiNEER. OF COURSE DURiNG THAT TiME COP COiNED SOMETHiNG WAS NOT TRUE ABOUT ME AND SPREAD A RUMOUR NASTY LiKE THE CALiFORNiA COP.
FROM AUGUST - 2007 UNTiL NOW COP GAVE ME NOT TO MUCH ASS ONLY ONE TiME COP LEAVE A MASSAGE IN MY VOiCE MAiL AND SAiD << COME BACK YOUR COUNTRY >> AFTER FIVE MiNUTE I SEND A TEXT MASSAGE TO THEM I SAiD I WILL CALL THE POLiCE AND THEY SEND IT BACK TO ME THEY SAiD THEY ARE THE POLICE
DEAR. NEW TEN NOW. RiGHT NOW I STiLL GET UNEMPLOMENT BENEFiT OF THE COMPANY SHOP VAC ENDiCOTT. NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR WAS CHEAT AND UNPAiD FROM DECEMBER – 1st - 2008 TO DECEMBER – 28th – 2008. I ALREADY CLAiM WEEKLY BENEFiT FROM THAT DATE. ANY WAY I CAN NOT ACCEPTED MY POOR LiFE. BEFORE I CUT MY POOR LiFE I MUST ONESELF GET A JUDGE JOB FOR MAKE AN IMPARTiAL WiTH UNDERCOVER COP BY AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE WiTH ME GO TO RETURN TO THE DUST OF EARTH.
ALREADY IMPARTiAL NOW. . .COP BRiNG ABOUT THiS SHOOTING COP MUST RESPONSiBLE. AND YOU HAVE A NiCE DAY.
:perv:
Also, he writes like the people that own the Chinese restaurant in town talk.
"TANK YUU YUU HAA GUU NAAAAH"
Man, those cops sound like they were assholes. I'm sure attacking a group of unarmed immigrants showed those pigs who's the boss.
At least he wished someone a nice day.
I would think, with ranting like that, that perhaps someone would have seen need to deal with this - or at least send him to an LA hospital where he could be dumped on skid row...
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 09, 2009, 08:53:41 AM
Man, those cops sound like they were assholes. I'm sure attacking a group of unarmed immigrants showed those pigs who's the boss.
:D
Quote from: Razgovory on April 05, 2009, 09:19:42 AM
Interestingly the one yesterday did. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/04/pittsburgh.officers.shot/index.html
Obviously the assault weapon ban is working wonderfully to keep these weapons out of the hands of cop killing criminals.
He could never have shot those officers in the head with a weapon lacking a bayonet lug!
:lol: Assault weapons ban. Possibly the most pointless legislation ever enacted.
Quote from: Caliga on April 09, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
:lol: Assault weapons ban. Possibly the most pointless legislation ever enacted.
Can't have a folding stock, as those makes the bullets go faster.