Interesting interview with a former head of El Al, the world's most secure airline:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/11/yeffet.air.security.israel/index.html
Basically, they do the complete opposite the US does - they use well-trained personnel and interviews, and don't rely on technology.
And how many passengers a day do they deal with?
Quote from: Strix on January 28, 2010, 12:31:05 AM
And how many passengers a day do they deal with?
All the more reason to do it well, I'd say...
Anyway, El Al's approach to security is sanely paranoid. For example:
- Its planes do have several small but evident antennae and bulges other companies planes don't have, even if they are from the same model. Everyone in the business knows they are ready to jam incoming missiles and deploy flares...
- El Al has its own, small warehouses in every airport they fly to. No cargo flies in El Al planes without spending at least 24 hours in them.
- Everything, including passengers luggage, passes trough a decompression chamber before being loaded on the plane.
In short, they take security very seriously. Their system isn't 'in your face' security conceived mainly to be seen (tough they don't have any troubles with being seen) but an integral approach to the problem. They invest a lot of money, well trained, professional men and time, and they get results.
I've been on El-Al. Had to show up a few hours early at Copenhagen. A young man opened my suitcase and interviewed me, I was 14 at the time. It was clearly profiling. Who was I, what was I going to do in Israel, who was I going to meet, why was I going to meet them, was this my first trip etc.etc.
Now hott stewardesses, Israel has no lack of hott women looking to work internationally, instead we had muscular military age men with bulges inside their jackets and bad atttudes.
I have a story to tell you, about what I perceive as the flaw with El Al, which I've travelled on several times...but it's gonna have to wait till I get to work.
Quote from: Alatriste on January 28, 2010, 02:01:25 AM
In short, they take security very seriously. Their system isn't 'in your face' security conceived mainly to be seen (tough they don't have any troubles with being seen) but an integral approach to the problem. They invest a lot of money, well trained, professional men and time, and they get results.
Agree that they get results, but their methods are inappropriate for an actual commercial airline. If every airline had security like El Al, commercial air travel would be dead except for the most necessary business flights and some government travel.
It would be a boon for the private jet industry, though.
Quote from: Josephus on January 28, 2010, 08:20:56 AM
I have a story to tell you, about what I perceive as the flaw with El Al, which I've travelled on several times...but it's gonna have to wait till I get to work.
So, we'll get to find out around noon, eh?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 28, 2010, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: Josephus on January 28, 2010, 08:20:56 AM
I have a story to tell you, about what I perceive as the flaw with El Al, which I've travelled on several times...but it's gonna have to wait till I get to work.
So, we'll get to find out around noon, eh?
He leaps out of bed at the crack of noon.
Quote from: grumbler on January 28, 2010, 09:48:50 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 28, 2010, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: Josephus on January 28, 2010, 08:20:56 AM
I have a story to tell you, about what I perceive as the flaw with El Al, which I've travelled on several times...but it's gonna have to wait till I get to work.
So, we'll get to find out around noon, eh?
He leaps out of bed at the crack of noon.
nah, there was a centimetre of snow on the ground, so my commute got held up forever.
Ok. I wrote this a few weeks ago for an OP-Ed piece for a major Canadian daily, which they accepted and were gonna pay me some nice money. But then that thing in Haiti happened, and this got put on the backburner. They offered to put it on their website for free, and I told them to go fuck themselves.
So instead I offer it to you. Paypal donations accepted.
By Josephus
If Canada adopts what some media are calling the "Israelification" of airport security, I, unfortunately, will be hesitant to travel again.
This much-touted and highly effective method used in Israeli airports of singling out potential terrorists by looking travelers in the eye and studying their behaviour patterns is a problem for me because it targets a group of people of which I am a part of –– nervous or anxiety prone people.
Call it emotional profiling.
I suffer from anxiety. Many things can set me off, including authority figures.
Two years ago I went on a business trip to Israel from Toronto on Israel's national El Al airline. I had been to Israel before, I knew what to expect, and wasn't particularly nervous. When you fly El Al, even if you board outside of Israel, you are subject to a quick interview by Israeli security agents. They ask you standard questions such as where are you going? Where are you staying? etc.
On that trip, I was traveling alone and on tickets I didn't purchase myself (the Jewish Agency in New York purchased them) at a hotel someone else booked for me. These things seemed to set them off. I was pulled aside, asked some more questions and eventually, only a phone call to a Jewish Agency rep in Israel whose card I was lucky to find in my wallet (they woke him up, since it was about 3 am Jerusalem time) cleared the matter up.
It was a minor, necessary inconvenience. I was happy to forget about it. I had a great trip in Israel, traveling all over the beautiful country.
Except as I stood in line at Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv a week later to return home, I suddenly got nervous. My body betrayed me, and I got nervous about appearing nervous. I stood in line, noticeably fidgety and craving a cigarette. I may as well have had Long Live Hamas tattooed on my forehead.
A young security rep approached me and asked to see my Canadian passport. As he flicked through it, he asked me the standard questions, all the time looking me in the eye. I knew I was acting nervously, even though I had nothing to hide.
"Why are you so nervous?" the agent asked.
"I don't know. I'm always nervous."
"Is it a medical condition?"
He pasted a blue sticker on the back of my passport. Everyone else had a yellow one. I knew this wasn't good.
I proceeded down the line. The next agent, looked at my passport, saw the sticker, and pulled me aside. She X-rayed both my luggage and my carry on, and then asked me to open them. She took everything out, brushing everything with a swifter like wand.
She did put everything back neatly while I watched, unsure if I should help her or not.
At the next stage, another agent, after looking at my passport, pulled me aside. I was put into a cubicle like space. He made me take my belt off and my shoes. More than likely I was being X-rayed, but I can't say for sure. He made me strip to my underwear. He took my passport and put it through a machine of some kind, probably searching for explosive residue. Again, I put my jacket and carry on, pants and shoes through a screening device.
A more senior-like agent approached.
"Where's your passport?"
I fidgeted through my stuff nervously. I couldn't find it. Scenes from Midnight Express flashed. Then I remembered the other agent had it. "He has it," I said anxiously.
He looked at it. "Why are you nervous?"
Why do you think? I wanted to yell at him. "I don't know. I'm tired, it's been a long day." I think my voice betrayed my frustration now.
He gave me back my passport. "Enjoy your flight."
I packed up and walked to the waiting area.
I completely understand why the Israeli agents are so thorough. I am aware that this method is highly effective and that El Al and Ben Gurion Airport, such obvious targets, have impeccable safety records. But I'd much rather go through a full body scan than have to go through that ever again. At least X-Ray machines don't detect anxiety.
You make it sound pretty effective. I kind of like it.
Quote from: Neil on January 28, 2010, 10:40:07 AM
You make it sound pretty effective. I kind of like it.
LOL. Good one.
My own amusing travel through Israeli security story ...
When they put my carry-on through the x-ray, it caused a stir: exclaimations from the agents, guards summoned, they quickly pulled it open to find ... my pastels.
In those days I always travelled with my drawing kit, containing pencils, several sizes of ink pens, and pastels.
See, what I didn't know was that pastels are made from metallic pigments that show up solid on x-rays. I had a box of half-sized pastels, which were used - thus rounded at one end and flat at the other. On an x-ray, they look exactly like a box of .45 bullets.
Going back the other way, I handed the pastels to the agent.
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- Everything, including passengers luggage, passes trough a decompression chamber before being loaded on the plane.
For some reason I've a mental image of someone trying to take their beloved pooch on a flight....
QuoteMy own amusing travel through Israeli security story ...
When they put my carry-on through the x-ray, it caused a stir: exclaimations from the agents, guards summoned, they quickly pulled it open to find ... my pastels.
In those days I always travelled with my drawing kit, containing pencils, several sizes of ink pens, and pastels.
See, what I didn't know was that pastels are made from metallic pigments that show up solid on x-rays. I had a box of half-sized pastels, which were used - thus rounded at one end and flat at the other. On an x-ray, they look exactly like a box of .45 bullets.
Going back the other way, I handed the pastels to the agent.
What happened first time anyway?
They realise they were just art supplies right away or what?
Quote from: Tyr on January 28, 2010, 11:05:39 AM
What happened first time anyway?
They realise they were just art supplies right away or what?
Yup, soon as they opened the box, and they had a good laugh over it.
I didn't really realize the kerfuffle I had inadvertantly caused until it was over.
Quote from: Viking on January 28, 2010, 06:19:17 AM
I've been on El-Al. Had to show up a few hours early at Copenhagen. A young man opened my suitcase and interviewed me, I was 14 at the time. It was clearly profiling. Who was I, what was I going to do in Israel, who was I going to meet, why was I going to meet them, was this my first trip etc.etc.
Now hott stewardesses, Israel has no lack of hott women looking to work internationally, instead we had muscular military age men with bulges inside their jackets and bad atttudes.
Well, you do look a bit swarthy.
I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you.
Meanwhile, in US airport security ... http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20100121_Daniel_Rubin__It_was_no_joke_at_security_gate.html
:lol:
QuoteIn the tense new world of air travel, we're stripped of shoes, told not to take too much shampoo on board, frowned on if we crack a smile.
The last thing we expect is a joke from a Transportation Security Administration screener - particularly one this stupid.
Rebecca Solomon is 22 and a student at the University of Michigan, and on Jan. 5 she was flying back to school after holiday break. She made sure she arrived at Philadelphia International Airport 90 minutes before takeoff, given the new regulations.
She would be flying into Detroit on Northwest Airlines, the same city and carrier involved in the attempted bombing on Christmas, just 10 days before. She was tense.
What happened to her lasted only 20 seconds, but she says they were the longest 20 seconds of her life.
After pulling her laptop out of her carry-on bag, sliding the items through the scanning machines, and walking through a detector, she went to collect her things.
A TSA worker was staring at her. He motioned her toward him.
Then he pulled a small, clear plastic bag from her carry-on - the sort of baggie that a pair of earrings might come in. Inside the bag was fine, white powder.
She remembers his words: "Where did you get it?"
Two thoughts came to her in a jumble: A terrorist was using her to sneak bomb-detonating materials on the plane. Or a drug dealer had made her an unwitting mule, planting coke or some other trouble in her bag while she wasn't looking.
She'd left her carry-on by her feet as she handed her license and boarding pass to a security agent at the beginning of the line.
Answer truthfully, the TSA worker informed her, and everything will be OK.
Solomon, 5-foot-3 and traveling alone, looked up at the man in the black shirt and fought back tears.
Put yourself in her place and count out 20 seconds. Her heart pounded. She started to sweat. She panicked at having to explain something she couldn't.
Now picture her expression as the TSA employee started to smile.
Just kidding, he said. He waved the baggie. It was his.
And so she collected her things, stunned, and the tears began to fall.
Another passenger, a woman traveling to Colorado, consoled her as others who had witnessed the confrontation went about their business. Solomon and the woman walked to their gates, where each called for security and reported what had happened.
A joke? You're not serious. Was he hitting on her? Was he flexing his muscle? Who at a time of heightened security and rattled nerves would play so cavalierly with a passenger's emotions?
When someone is trying to blow planes out of the sky, what is a TSA employee doing with his eyes off the ball?
When she complained to airport security, Solomon said, she was told the TSA worker had been training the staff to detect contraband. She was shocked that no one took him off the floor, she said.
"It was such a violation," the Wynnewood native told me by phone. "I'd come early. I'd done everything right. And they were kidding about it."
I ran her story past Ann Davis, regional TSA spokeswoman, who said she knew nothing to contradict the young traveler's account.
Davis said privacy law prevents her from identifying the TSA employee. The law prevents her from disclosing what sort of discipline he might have received.
"The TSA views this employee's behavior to be highly inappropriate and unprofessional," she wrote. "We can assure travelers this employee has been disciplined by TSA management at Philadelphia International Airport, and he has expressed remorse for his actions."
Maybe he's been punished enough. That Solomon's father, Jeffrey, is a Center City litigator might mean this story isn't over.
In the meantime, I think the TSA worker should spend time following passengers through the scanners, handing them their shoes. Maybe he could tie them, too.
Update: Ann Davis, the TSA spokeswoman, said this afternoon that the worker is no longer employed by the agency as of today. She said privacy laws prevented her from saying if he was fired or left on his own.
Quote from: Slargos on January 28, 2010, 11:10:38 AM
Quote from: Viking on January 28, 2010, 06:19:17 AM
I've been on El-Al. Had to show up a few hours early at Copenhagen. A young man opened my suitcase and interviewed me, I was 14 at the time. It was clearly profiling. Who was I, what was I going to do in Israel, who was I going to meet, why was I going to meet them, was this my first trip etc.etc.
Now hott stewardesses, Israel has no lack of hott women looking to work internationally, instead we had muscular military age men with bulges inside their jackets and bad atttudes.
Well, you do look a bit swarthy.
I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you.
I was 14 at the time. Travelling with my mother.
Egyptian Airport Security, however, let me take a knife through security. I presume that was profiling as well. Icelanders obviously don't seem to pose a threat. Well, we haven't for 1000 years now.
Quote from: Malthus on January 28, 2010, 11:14:25 AM
Meanwhile, in US airport security ... http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20100121_Daniel_Rubin__It_was_no_joke_at_security_gate.html
:lol:
Allow me to one-up you. :P
QuoteSlovaks: Plane Bomb Test a "Silly" Mistake
Officials Admit Blame after Security Test Led to Man Unwittingly Carrying Hidden Explosives in Bag aboard Flight to Dublin
Slovak officials on Wednesday blamed "a silly and unprofessional mistake" for a failed airport security test that led to a man unwittingly carrying hidden explosives in his bag aboard a flight to Dublin.
Dublin security chiefs said it was foolish for the Slovaks to hide bomb parts in the luggage of innocent passengers under any circumstances.
Slovak Interior Minister Robert Kalinak expressed "profound regret" to the Irish government for the oversight and the three-day delay in alerting Irish authorities about the Saturday incident.
The explosives never posed a danger to the flight, the interior ministry said Wednesday, even as it ordered an immediate halt to such tests and took steps to prevent a repeat of failed security test.
Tibor Mako, the head of Slovakia's border and foreign police whose people carried out the exercise, offered his resignation Wednesday. There was no immediate word on whether it would be accepted.
Security experts said the episode illustrated the inadequacy of security screening of checked-in luggage - the very point the Slovak authorities had sought to test when they placed real bomb components in nine passengers' bags Saturday.
"The aim of the training was to keep sniffer dogs in shape and on alert in a real environment," the ministry said.
Eight items were detected. But one bag had two bomb components in it. The sniffer dog found one but the police officer in charge failed to remove the second, which was not detected by the dog, because he was busy, the ministry said.
That allowed 90 grams (3 ounces) of RDX plastic explosive to travel undetected through security at Poprad-Tatry Airport in central Slovakia onto a Danube Wings aircraft. The Slovak carrier launched services to Dublin last month.
"The police officer made a silly and unprofessional mistake, which turned the good purpose of protecting people into a problem," the statement said.
Slovak authorities realized their error and told the pilot of the Danube Wings flight, who then decided to still take off with the sample on board, the ministry statement said.
"No one was in danger, because the substance without any other components (needed to bring it to a detonation) and under the conditions it was stored, is not dangerous," the ministry said.
Slovak border police subsequently traced the man and told him where the explosive was planted so that he was able to find it Monday evening, said the ministry. Kalinak, the interior minister, called him to apologize.
The man was not identified. Slovak media said he is a 49-year-old electrician who works and lives in Ireland.
The ministry said it contacted Irish authorities and explained the situation on Tuesday, prompting Irish police to raid the man's Dublin apartment. A major north Dublin intersection was shut down Tuesday and neighboring apartment buildings were evacuated as a precaution while Irish Army experts inspected the explosive.
The man was detained for several hours then released without charge.
Irish police said they initially were led to believe the man might be a terrorist until the Slovaks explained the situation further.
Irish Justice Minister Dermot Ahern said Dublin police eventually confirmed that the explosive "was concealed without his knowledge or consent ... as part of an airport security exercise."
The Slovak statement criticized the Irish police action.
"For an incomprehensible reason for us, they took the person into custody and undertook further security measures," it said.
Authorities in Slovakia were considering "new forms of sniffer dog training" to avoid a repeat of the scare, the ministry said.
Quote from: Tyr on January 28, 2010, 11:05:39 AM
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- Everything, including passengers luggage, passes trough a decompression chamber before being loaded on the plane.
For some reason I've a mental image of someone trying to take their beloved pooch on a flight....
[Mr. Carlson]
I swear to God, I thought dogs could fly [/Mr. Carlson]