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Title: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:31:12 PM
You guys know how sometimes when you create a new bishopric the program pukes and leaves him in your court and doesn't show his shield on the province?  Usually when that has happened to me I just play on and everything gets cleared out when the bishop dies.  Game I'm playing now the dude croaked but it's still not showing any shield. 

I can build in the province, it doesn't count against my efficiency, I can't give it away to anyone.  I'm afraid if I save and reload it'll just be a crash palace.  One time before I saved while the phantom bishop was still alive and it crashed every time I reloaded.

So, is there some way I can fix this?  I assume it involves editing the save file.  If so, be forewarned that I am cherry and need the boneheadedest of boneheaded instructions.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: ulmont on January 20, 2010, 11:36:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:31:12 PM
You guys know how sometimes when you create a new bishopric the program pukes and leaves him in your court and doesn't show his shield on the province?  Usually when that has happened to me I just play on and everything gets cleared out when the bishop dies.  Game I'm playing now the dude croaked but it's still not showing any shield. 

I can build in the province, it doesn't count against my efficiency, I can't give it away to anyone.  I'm afraid if I save and reload it'll just be a crash palace.  One time before I saved while the phantom bishop was still alive and it crashed every time I reloaded.

So, is there some way I can fix this?  I assume it involves editing the save file.  If so, be forewarned that I am cherry and need the boneheadedest of boneheaded instructions.

Gah.  I'd need to see the save and have you talk about the bishop (like, what's his name and what province does he have) to be sure what was happening.  I would suggest editing the bishop back to life by deleting the "deathdate" line, but that's just a start.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:38:36 PM
:weep:
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: ulmont on January 20, 2010, 11:42:25 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:38:36 PM
:weep:

Dude, upload the save to rapidshare or something, post a link, and tell me the name of the bishop and his province.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:45:04 PM
Quote from: ulmont on January 20, 2010, 11:42:25 PM
Dude, upload the save to rapidshare or something, post a link, and tell me the name of the bishop and his province.
Uh, how do I upload something to rapidshare?

Would emailing you the save file work?

You're a prince, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: ulmont on January 20, 2010, 11:48:34 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:45:04 PM
Would emailing you the save file work?

Yeah, that's fine...for me.  Of course, that doesn't work for anyone else that wants to get involved.

I hope you have the Deus Vult expansion installed?  Otherwise, helping you will be extremely annoying but not impossible.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:50:11 PM
Also, how do I get to the log to get the bishop's name?  I thought you clicked on the little gold bunting on the far left but that's not working for me.

:weep:

p.s. No expansion.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: ulmont on January 20, 2010, 11:51:51 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:50:11 PM
Also, how do I get to the log to get the bishop's name?  I thought you clicked on the little gold bunting on the far left but that's not working for me.

Well, if the fucker's in your court, you can click on the little linkies from your realm to figure out his name.

What province is he nominally controlling?
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:57:16 PM
Quote from: ulmont on January 20, 2010, 11:51:51 PM
Well, if the fucker's in your court, you can click on the little linkies from your realm to figure out his name.

What province is he nominally controlling?
He's dead and not showing up in my vassal list.

The province is Empuries.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 21, 2010, 12:31:42 AM
I tried to email you the save file but it looks like it's so big it freezes up my Outlook.  Oh well.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: sbr on January 21, 2010, 01:07:20 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:45:04 PM
Quote from: ulmont on January 20, 2010, 11:42:25 PM
Dude, upload the save to rapidshare or something, post a link, and tell me the name of the bishop and his province.
Uh, how do I upload something to rapidshare?

Go here

http://www.rapidshare.com/

Select the file
Click the Upload button
Paste the link here
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: viper37 on January 21, 2010, 01:24:37 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 21, 2010, 12:31:42 AM
I tried to email you the save file but it looks like it's so big it freezes up my Outlook.  Oh well.
when you wish to send a large file to only one individual, you can use this service:
http://www.transferbigfiles.com/ (http://www.transferbigfiles.com/)
You simply upload your file and type the email of the recepient.  he/she will receive the link to download the file.

Rapidshare (and Megaupload and other services like that) are great when you want to share a file to multiple people you don't have the e-mail, though.  But there's a small delay for everyone who wants to download a file from these services (unless they are paying subscribers).
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 21, 2010, 08:09:57 AM
http://rapidshare.com/files/338764575/Kingdom_of_France.eug.html

Woo hoo!  Thanks all.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 21, 2010, 10:40:26 AM
OK, session crashed so I reloaded that save, expecting it to crash on opening.  Loaded OK, now I've got the shield showing up, with my control flag on it, ruled by a count, Guillame de Garland, who is still dead.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Zanza on January 21, 2010, 12:23:48 PM
Just click that Guillaume de Garland guy, open the console with F12 and type "die". Either a successor or some random dude will take over his county.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 21, 2010, 12:33:20 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 21, 2010, 12:23:48 PM
Just click that Guillaume de Garland guy, open the console with F12 and type "die". Either a successor or some random dude will take over his county.
Did that, he's still zombie count.

And how do I close the console?
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Zanza on January 21, 2010, 01:49:53 PM
Hmm, strange. He should be replaced with that command.

You press F12 again to close it.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 11:30:31 AM
So I downloaded this game. I'm playing as a one province count in ireland for DV. How do I turn into 2 provinces? Any time I go to war I'm going to have the siege stolen by my duke, and I can't become independent from my duke because he has 4 provinces and would crush me.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 11:40:03 AM
Expanding from one county to more is very difficult.  In Ireland it is probably impossible.  As you have found out your Duke can easily steal your seiges.  You have to wait till your Duke is somewhere else.  But even then you run the risk of exceeding your demesne limit quite quickly.

Honestly, I had my most fun playing as a Duke in CK.  It gave you enough options when you get started, and trying to then become a King was challenge enough.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 11:55:43 AM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 11:40:03 AM
Expanding from one county to more is very difficult.  In Ireland it is probably impossible.  As you have found out your Duke can easily steal your seiges.  You have to wait till your Duke is somewhere else.  But even then you run the risk of exceeding your demesne limit quite quickly.

Honestly, I had my most fun playing as a Duke in CK.  It gave you enough options when you get started, and trying to then become a King was challenge enough.

Does your duke always join you in war? There are some dukes that I have claims on, and maybe I could win the seige before my duke shows up. However, I'd lose the wars if my duke didn't join me.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 11:58:35 AM
Yes, your duke will join you.

And that's pretty much why I gave up on playing individual counties - unless you plan to go pagan hunting.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 12:01:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 11:58:35 AM
Yes, your duke will join you.

And that's pretty much why I gave up on playing individual counties - unless you plan to go pagan hunting.

Interesting--who would be the leader in the war? If the Duke signs a peace, does that end my war too?
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: ulmont on April 22, 2010, 12:03:36 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 12:01:06 PM
Interesting--who would be the leader in the war? If the Duke signs a peace, does that end my war too?

If the Duke signs a peace, it binds you.  If the Duke puts troops in with yours to siege a province, the Duke gets control after the siege ends.

Welcome to the feudal era.  :(
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 12:04:11 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 12:01:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 11:58:35 AM
Yes, your duke will join you.

And that's pretty much why I gave up on playing individual counties - unless you plan to go pagan hunting.

Interesting--who would be the leader in the war? If the Duke signs a peace, does that end my war too?

Yup.

Remember, I'm trying to tell you playing as a Count is not much fun. :console:
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: ulmont on April 22, 2010, 12:08:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 12:04:11 PM
Remember, I'm trying to tell you playing as a Count is not much fun. :console:

Yeah.  I highly recommend the Duke of Apulia to start with.  Independent, reasonably strong, great position to crusade from, etc.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 12:04:11 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 12:01:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 11:58:35 AM
Yes, your duke will join you.

And that's pretty much why I gave up on playing individual counties - unless you plan to go pagan hunting.

Interesting--who would be the leader in the war? If the Duke signs a peace, does that end my war too?

Yup.

Remember, I'm trying to tell you playing as a Count is not much fun. :console:

So the way to get that second province:

1. Declare war on someone you have a claim
2. Take a province or two while your duke is sieging other provinces
3. Make a separate peace before the duke ends the war
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 12:18:15 PM
One more question: Does my count have to lead my army? I have a guy with 22 military, and my count is blind with worms. I think my people will understand if he sits the war out.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: ulmont on April 22, 2010, 12:22:09 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 12:18:15 PM
One more question: Does my count have to lead my army? I have a guy with 22 military, and my count is blind with worms. I think my people will understand if he sits the war out.

No, they won't.  IIRC, the order is as follows:

1) Ruler - if male and 16+.
2) Marshal - if present.
3...n) Other male courtiers 16+.
n+1) Unled.

If you had 2 provinces, you could raise the smaller regiment first, with your Count, then the larger one with your God of War.  If you only have one province, though, you're screwed.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 12:34:51 PM
I think some leaders are so infirm they don't lead any armies...
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: ulmont on April 22, 2010, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 12:34:51 PM
I think some leaders are so infirm they don't lead any armies...

Probably.  Severely Wounded may qualify, and probably a few other traits I forgot (blind, however, does not excuse a leader).
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 12:56:21 PM
My count is a gamer. He isn't going to let a bout of blindness keep him from the battlefield.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Is there a way to turn off diplo vassalization? England just conquered Ireland by asking nicely.  :wacko:
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on April 22, 2010, 07:09:05 PM
Quote from: ulmont on April 22, 2010, 12:40:38 PM
Probably.  Severely Wounded may qualify, and probably a few other traits I forgot (blind, however, does not excuse a leader).
Severely wounded, pneumonia, and plague.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: PRC on April 22, 2010, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2010, 11:50:11 PM
p.s. No expansion.

Get the expansion... it's worth it.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 10:46:41 PM
Another question, what is the point of allies? I started two wars, and neither time did my ally join in. Then I got attacked, and my ally didn't help either.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Admiral Yi on April 23, 2010, 10:09:16 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 10:46:41 PM
Another question, what is the point of allies? I started two wars, and neither time did my ally join in. Then I got attacked, and my ally didn't help either.
Deterrence.  I think the AI takes your ally into account when deciding attack/don't attack.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Solmyr on April 23, 2010, 10:25:25 AM
My allies usually join, as long as the target is not too far away from them.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Barrister on April 23, 2010, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 10:46:41 PM
Another question, what is the point of allies? I started two wars, and neither time did my ally join in. Then I got attacked, and my ally didn't help either.

I have to admit I really don't bother much with alliances in any Paradox game.  Too much bother, for too little assistance.

I'll try and get small (but independent) powers that I am trying to woo into alliances with me so I can protect them if attacked, but I don't bother trying to ally with other, large powers.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: alfred russel on April 23, 2010, 12:51:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 23, 2010, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 22, 2010, 10:46:41 PM
Another question, what is the point of allies? I started two wars, and neither time did my ally join in. Then I got attacked, and my ally didn't help either.

I have to admit I really don't bother much with alliances in any Paradox game.  Too much bother, for too little assistance.

I'll try and get small (but independent) powers that I am trying to woo into alliances with me so I can protect them if attacked, but I don't bother trying to ally with other, large powers.

When you have one poor Irish province and that is it, you need all the help you can get. You really have to play your cards right to conquer someone.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: garbon on April 23, 2010, 08:52:27 PM
Did you know that in the scenario no one ever plays (1337), Asia Minor and the Il-Khanate were set up by your very own Garbon?
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: ulmont on April 23, 2010, 08:56:59 PM
Also, half the current event files credit Martinus.
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: garbon on April 23, 2010, 10:11:56 PM
gay breeders!
Title: Re: CK bug help
Post by: Barrister on April 24, 2010, 12:48:13 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 23, 2010, 08:52:27 PM
Did you know that in the scenario no one ever plays (1337), Asia Minor and the Il-Khanate were set up by your very own Garbon?

I've played 1337.  It's fun to play the Kingdom of Jerusalem.   :)