I am left speechless.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242682/Family-shut-dream-home-gang-gipsies-moved-Christmas.html#ixzz0ccjXf0Kq
QuoteWith the building works nearly over, Julian and Samantha Mosedale and their three children were looking forward to moving back into the home of their dreams.
But their hopes have turned into a nightmare because a group of Romanians occupied the property over Christmas.
To add insult to injury, police told them that they were being 'racist' for questioning the squatters' right to live in Britain on benefits. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2010%2F01%2F12%2Farticle-1242682-07D49502000005DC-399_468x309.jpg&hash=456edf8c3385b5418b28b2864cb8413c6128dc20) Locked out: Julian and Samantha Mosedale with their children Finn, Jake and Toby (left to right) had hoped to move back into their 'dream home' in MarchThe unwanted guests have changed the locks at the three-bedroom terrace house and moved in their own furniture.
Mr Mosedale, an illustrator, and his wife, a catalogue manager, both 45, had moved out of the house in Tottenham, North London, in July 2007 for extensive structural and renovation work.
They rented another property and regularly visited the £285,000 house to oversee progress.
But, after spending Christmas visiting relatives in Essex, they returned to the house on January 3 to find the squatters installed.
They now fear they could soon be homeless because they can only afford to foot the cost of rent and mortgage payments until March.
Mrs Mosedale, whose three sons are ten, eight, and five, said: 'We called the police as soon as we found out they were in there. An officer suggested I was racist when I asked if they were Romanians, and did they have a legal right to be in this country.
Jesus. This is like a Daily Mail perfect storm: immigrants and property. If only there were a Royal wedding too.
:lol: if true.
Why would they be homeless? Just walk in and chase the squatters out with a broom.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 02:48:11 PM
Jesus. This is like a Daily Mail perfect storm: immigrants and property. If only there were a Royal wedding too.
I expect the Romanians are related to the King of the Gypsies :D
Romanians aye?
I´m gonna hazard a guess and say that romanians would find that description to be offensive because I think I know what these people are.
Quote from: Cecil on January 15, 2010, 02:54:26 PM
Romanians aye?
I´m gonna hazard a guess and say that romanians would find that description to be offensive because I think I know what these people are.
Look at the link, for the Daily Mail they're interchangeable:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242682/Family-shut-dream-home-gang-gipsies-moved-Christmas.html#ixzz0ccjXf0Kq
This reminds me of the grouping of neo-Fascist and ultra-nationalist parties in the European Parliament. It fell apart because Italian members routinely accused their Romanian colleagues of being gypsies :lol:
The mother needs a smack to her head to set her eyes straight.
My personal opinion is that some bastard Londoner rented out the house to the Romanian gypsies to make a quick few hundred £.
Private enterprise, the only thing that will get us out of this terrible recession.
They've got some blind children.
Gotta love the typical tabloid photo of the poor family looking horrified too :lol:
I take offense with the dad's "look at me I'm cool" doubly whammy of unbuttoned shirt and messy hair.
Quote from: Syt on January 15, 2010, 03:14:07 PM
I take offense with the dad's "look at me I'm cool" doubly whammy of unbuttoned shirt and messy hair.
And that slight head tilt.
That house is worth 285,000 GBP? WTF.
:rolleyes:
Evicting squatters isn't exactly easy, at least in Sweden and Norway. It appears to be equally difficult in England.
2006, iirc, saw a case like this blow up in Norway, where an elderly couple had rented out part of their house (common practice in norway to have one or several rental units attached to the house) to a man who turned out to be violently mentally ill, and after they attempted to evict him for 6 months when he stopped paying his rent and got generally abusive, and they were denied this in court, he eventually snapped and murdered the couple in their sleep.
This is an Onion article, or the British version of Onion, right? :huh:
If this is true, there should be no frigging way that someone can just go into someone else's home, take over, and not be subject to immediate removal by law enforcement. This is just nuts otherwise. Don't take a vacation, or you too could find some squatters in your home, that you can't get rid of, and who actually have protection on their side! Lol...
Quote from: Slargos on January 15, 2010, 03:35:16 PM
:rolleyes:
Evicting squatters isn't exactly easy, at least in Sweden and Norway. It appears to be equally difficult in England.
You seem to be confusing squatters with tenants - which is more difficult (your example's a tenant). The article says that a court order was granted evicting the squatters within 24 hours. I don't know how you go about enforcing that - is it the police or what? - but it's evidently not too difficult.
Quote from: KRonn on January 15, 2010, 03:38:54 PM
This is an Onion article, or the British version of Onion, right? :huh:
If this is true, there should be no frigging way that someone can just go into someone else's home, take over, and not be subject to immediate removal by law enforcement. This is just nuts otherwise. Don't take a vacation, or you too could find some squatters in your home, that you can't get rid of, and who actually have protection on their side! Lol...
I read about a guy in Sweden who long story short invited a dutch woman to come stay with him over her holiday. He found out much too late that she was an abusive crazy person and ended up staying with his buddy since he feared for his life. Court orders? "You invited her, so there's no legal grounds to evict her."
It's not so simple as "it's my house", evidently.
Is it wrong to look down on gypsies?
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 03:40:03 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 15, 2010, 03:35:16 PM
:rolleyes:
Evicting squatters isn't exactly easy, at least in Sweden and Norway. It appears to be equally difficult in England.
You seem to be confusing squatters with tenants - which is more difficult (your example's a tenant). The article says that a court order was granted evicting the squatters within 24 hours. I don't know how you go about enforcing that - is it the police or what? - but it's evidently not too difficult.
No argument here. I have little experience with squatters and I fervently hope the rules are different.
It's atrocious that they should need a court order to evict them, however.
Quote from: Slargos on January 15, 2010, 03:44:23 PM
It's atrocious that they should need a court order to evict them, however.
Well by the sounds of it the squatters say they have a tenancy agreement, which makes me think RH's right and someone's taking advantage of them both. The court order's presumably because you need to prove that you are the owner of the property and that it's not a property subject to squatters' rights. If not how would the police know that you're able to demand people be evicted?
Quote from: Slargos on January 15, 2010, 03:43:21 PM"You invited her, so there's no legal grounds to evict her."
She must've been a vampire.
QuoteIt's not so simple as "it's my house", evidently.
Well of course not, if you're asking the police to do the eviction.
Yeah, tenants are obviously a very different case and do have some valid protections.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 15, 2010, 03:43:21 PM"You invited her, so there's no legal grounds to evict her."
She must've been a vampire.
QuoteIt's not so simple as "it's my house", evidently.
Well of course not, if you're asking the police to do the eviction.
Since evicting her on his own would probably involve violence (in soviet sweden, grabbing someone and pushing them out the door constitutes assault) which could lead to his being prosecuted for the act of protecting his property rights, I think the entire situation is bizarre.
Spending time on Flashback much Slarg?
Quote from: Cecil on January 15, 2010, 03:57:03 PM
Spending time on Flashback much Slarg?
:ph34r:
What's that? :P
And who the fuck are you again? :P
The Daily Mail does milk these stories for as much as possible.
Having ripped up the civil eviction order the next step is for the bailiffs to throw them out forcibly. I would imagine that the coppers will endeavour to find out if the Romanians were actually ripped-off by some criminal or other.
The legal costs to the family will be minimal.........in fact I suspect they will be nothing at all, unless they needlessly hired a lawyer.
The law seems to be fairly well-balanced in these matters :huh:
Quote from: Slargos on January 15, 2010, 03:35:16 PM
:rolleyes:
Evicting squatters isn't exactly easy, at least in Sweden and Norway. It appears to be equally difficult in England.
2006, iirc, saw a case like this blow up in Norway, where an elderly couple had rented out part of their house (common practice in norway to have one or several rental units attached to the house) to a man who turned out to be violently mentally ill, and after they attempted to evict him for 6 months when he stopped paying his rent and got generally abusive, and they were denied this in court, he eventually snapped and murdered the couple in their sleep.
My brother had some painful experiences with crazy house-mates when he was renting. It is very, very difficult to legally remove a crazy person, if you are renting with them. The problem in this case was that a bunch of folks were essentially renting the house, so the landlord didn't care - the renters as a group were responsible for the rent, and if one didn't pay, was none of his business, the rest had to make up the difference.
And of course with a crazy person living in the room and refusing to pay rent, you can't rent it to someone else.
So my brother tried having him evicted. Not at all easy, if you aren't the landlord. Because the guy was crazy, there were all sorts of special procedures - the whole thing took on a nightmare tinge.
Eventually they just did the obvious - *they* all moved out to a different place, leaving the landlord with the crazy person and no paying renters, and let *him* deal with it.
Even that wasn't as horrible as what happened to some friends of mine, who ended up nailing the door to the basement shut because a crazy and threatening person lived down there are refused to either pay rent or move. The landlord even had the cops in and the guy hauled off to the looney bin, to no avail - he was back in 48 hours, broke a window, got back in. I saw this guy, and I couldn't for the life of me tell if his insanity was an act or not. Certainly, he got a kick out of intimidating people (this was before they nailed his door shut etc.) - he liked to linger when they had guests over, making everyone uncomfortable with his ramblings and mutterings, showing off his large hunting knife in a pseudo-friendly but actually threatening manner, etc. - and then, when he left, waiting a second for everyone to exhale with relief before comming *back* and announcing "I'm baaaack!". You could tell he knew everyone was worried about him, and he liked it.
:lmfao:
Was he jewish? :P
Quote from: Slargos on January 15, 2010, 04:42:03 PM
:lmfao:
Was he jewish? :P
:P
Not to my knoweldge, no.
Funny part was, his family had money. He was estranged from them, however. They'd put up with his - ways - for years and finally, I think he simply scared them.
He lived in truly incredible squalor. He filled the basement with cast-off junk (he was a "hoarder" to the max) and had tunnels and runs through it - there must have been tons of crap down there. He'd stopped bothering to bathe, shave, or brush his teeth ... it didn't help that he was a big, ugly, tattooed fellow.
It is difficult to tell whether he was "crazy" or just liked to live like that, though. Is wanting to live like that "crazy"? It is certainly anti-social.
Quote
Eventually they just did the obvious - *they* all moved out to a different place, leaving the landlord with the crazy person and no paying renters, and let *him* deal with it.
:D
I like this solution. Kharma.
They should have been arrested.
Illegal immigrants FTW! They are our future!
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 03:46:59 PM
and that it's not a property subject to squatters' rights.
Why would a squatter ever have rights, except for the right to a painful execution?
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2010, 05:26:12 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 03:46:59 PM
and that it's not a property subject to squatters' rights.
Why would a squatter ever have rights, except for the right to a painful execution?
After a period of time(years) and the property owner doesn't contest their squatting, the squatters get title to the property.
A lawtalker would have to give you the name of the legal mumbo-jumbo, as my books are out of reach right now.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 15, 2010, 05:53:22 PM
After a period of time(years) and the property owner doesn't contest their squatting, the squatters get title to the property.
A lawtalker would have to give you the name of the legal mumbo-jumbo, as my books are out of reach right now.
:yes:
There's a whole street in Whitehorse (across the river and hard to get to) called "squatters row" because the homeowners all got title through squatting. :Canuck:
Yes, if you didn't allow squatting then, in the long run, land would lie unclaimed and unused.
That's why Texas is such a great place. You kill the squatters in your house and just say you were protecting yourself in your own home.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 15, 2010, 05:53:22 PM
After a period of time(years) and the property owner doesn't contest their squatting, the squatters get title to the property.
A lawtalker would have to give you the name of the legal mumbo-jumbo, as my books are out of reach right now.
"Adverse possession" in most of the US, or "acquisitive prescription" in Louisiana. It takes a damned long time though, usually upwards of 10 years (I believe in Louisiana it is 10 years with color of title, or 30 years without color of title. In New Jersey, I think it's 60 years in the Pine Barrens).
Quote from: Strix on January 15, 2010, 05:21:34 PM
Illegal immigrants FTW! They are our future!
Romanians are legal :)
QuoteWhy would a squatter ever have rights, except for the right to a painful execution?
I don't know. It's an ancient right, from what I understand it goes back to the Medieval period...
Are English people stupid? Who cares if they're romanians, aliens or lions? Just kick them out from your property. :huh:
Racist... :lmfao:
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 06:19:45 PM
Quote from: Strix on January 15, 2010, 05:21:34 PM
Illegal immigrants FTW! They are our future!
Romanians are legal :)
QuoteWhy would a squatter ever have rights, except for the right to a painful execution?
I don't know. It's an ancient right, from what I understand it goes back to the Medieval period...
There's probably another Medieval right that can counteract that.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 03:46:59 PM
Well by the sounds of it the squatters say they have a tenancy agreement, which makes me think RH's right and someone's taking advantage of them both. The court order's presumably because you need to prove that you are the owner of the property and that it's not a property subject to squatters' rights. If not how would the police know that you're able to demand people be evicted?
I think it would be pretty easy for the police to determine on the spot whose legal residence that is. The party that cannot produce an ID with the address, have neighbors verify, etc. should be put out on their asses immediately.
I'm not sure what exactly would happen in Ohio in a case like this, but I have a feeling that in Texas you'd be free to evict the squatters by whatever means you prefer :)
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 15, 2010, 05:56:11 PM
Yes, if you didn't allow squatting then, in the long run, land would lie unclaimed and unused.
Not at all. You just need someone to grant title to land according to how useful a person is.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 06:19:45 PM
I don't know. It's an ancient right, from what I understand it goes back to the Medieval period...
A lot of ancient rights make no sense.
Couldn't they hire some other Gypsies to drive them off the land? Or would they collude and all live there together?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 15, 2010, 08:31:06 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 06:19:45 PM
I don't know. It's an ancient right, from what I understand it goes back to the Medieval period...
A lot of ancient rights make no sense.
Sure...Robespierre <_<
Quote from: derspiess on January 15, 2010, 08:07:45 PM
I think it would be pretty easy for the police to determine on the spot whose legal residence that is. The party that cannot produce an ID with the address, have neighbors verify, etc. should be put out on their asses immediately.
None of that proves ownership though.
Interestingly apparently in Scotland squatting's a criminal offence, in England and Wales it's only a civil offence - unless there's evidence of another crime such as breaking and entering.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 02:48:11 PM
Jesus. This is like a Daily Mail perfect storm: immigrants and property. If only there were a Royal wedding too.
LOL I started reading the article, then saw it's Daily Mail, and stopped.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 03:46:59 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 15, 2010, 03:44:23 PM
It's atrocious that they should need a court order to evict them, however.
Well by the sounds of it the squatters say they have a tenancy agreement, which makes me think RH's right and someone's taking advantage of them both. The court order's presumably because you need to prove that you are the owner of the property and that it's not a property subject to squatters' rights. If not how would the police know that you're able to demand people be evicted?
Stop being logical. This is Languish!
Quote from: derspiess on January 15, 2010, 08:07:45 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 03:46:59 PM
Well by the sounds of it the squatters say they have a tenancy agreement, which makes me think RH's right and someone's taking advantage of them both. The court order's presumably because you need to prove that you are the owner of the property and that it's not a property subject to squatters' rights. If not how would the police know that you're able to demand people be evicted?
I think it would be pretty easy for the police to determine on the spot whose legal residence that is. The party that cannot produce an ID with the address, have neighbors verify, etc. should be put out on their asses immediately.
I'm not sure what exactly would happen in Ohio in a case like this, but I have a feeling that in Texas you'd be free to evict the squatters by whatever means you prefer :)
Police is not there to make judgements about people's rights, when they are in dispute. That's why there are courts. What you are asking here is for the police to essentially carry out a hearing and examine the evidence.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 06:19:45 PM
Quote from: Strix on January 15, 2010, 05:21:34 PM
Illegal immigrants FTW! They are our future!
Romanians are legal :)
QuoteWhy would a squatter ever have rights, except for the right to a painful execution?
I don't know. It's an ancient right, from what I understand it goes back to the Medieval period...
It was already present in Roman law. Essentially, there is a presumption that whoever holds a physical possession of a property, has a title to do so, and such presumption usually can only be challenged in a court. This is a public order measure, so that people whose rights are disputed do not go around hiring thugs to throw other people out of their property and vice-versa. I am deeply concerned about the state of an average Languishista's brain that people here do not seem to see the sheer obviousness of that.
The only usually recognized right to restore lost possession forcibly and without a court order is if it happens immediately after it was taken away.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 16, 2010, 04:31:00 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 15, 2010, 08:07:45 PM
I think it would be pretty easy for the police to determine on the spot whose legal residence that is. The party that cannot produce an ID with the address, have neighbors verify, etc. should be put out on their asses immediately.
None of that proves ownership though.
It doesn't even need to be ownership. It could be a title of any kind, such as a tenancy agreement for example, and for all we know, it could have been signed by the previous owner of the property. As long as such an agreement remains in force (unless it stipulates otherwise), the tenants have a better title to occupy the property than the owners.
In short, there are countless possible considerations and issues here that a common bobby (or derspiess) is neither prepared nor authorised to deal with. That's is why we have courts.
Quote from: Strix on January 15, 2010, 05:21:34 PM
They should have been arrested.
Illegal immigrants FTW! They are our future!
They are not illegal immigrants, you retard. Speaking legally, they are an equivalent of Alabamans squatting in Manhattan.
When did we start letting Romanians in with full EU rights?
I'm pretty sure they didn't have it to begin with- the Poles et al did but not the Romanians and Bulgarians (due to the right not liking the Poles et al)
Quote from: Slargos on January 15, 2010, 03:43:21 PM
Quote from: KRonn on January 15, 2010, 03:38:54 PM
This is an Onion article, or the British version of Onion, right? :huh:
If this is true, there should be no frigging way that someone can just go into someone else's home, take over, and not be subject to immediate removal by law enforcement. This is just nuts otherwise. Don't take a vacation, or you too could find some squatters in your home, that you can't get rid of, and who actually have protection on their side! Lol...
I read about a guy in Sweden who long story short invited a dutch woman to come stay with him over her holiday. He found out much too late that she was an abusive crazy person and ended up staying with his buddy since he feared for his life. Court orders? "You invited her, so there's no legal grounds to evict her."
It's not so simple as "it's my house", evidently.
I laugh at your retarded foreign laws.
Quote from: derspiess on January 15, 2010, 08:07:45 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 03:46:59 PM
Well by the sounds of it the squatters say they have a tenancy agreement, which makes me think RH's right and someone's taking advantage of them both. The court order's presumably because you need to prove that you are the owner of the property and that it's not a property subject to squatters' rights. If not how would the police know that you're able to demand people be evicted?
I think it would be pretty easy for the police to determine on the spot whose legal residence that is. The party that cannot produce an ID with the address, have neighbors verify, etc. should be put out on their asses immediately.
I'm not sure what exactly would happen in Ohio in a case like this, but I have a feeling that in Texas you'd be free to evict the squatters by whatever means you prefer :)
I'd liquidate them and bury them in the woods.
Quote from: Tyr on January 16, 2010, 06:26:50 AM
When did we start letting Romanians in with full EU rights?
I'm pretty sure they didn't have it to begin with- the Poles et al did but not the Romanians and Bulgarians (due to the right not liking the Poles et al)
You never did. But it seems English are stupid enough to let us take their homes... :hug:
Quote from: Martinus on January 16, 2010, 04:58:53 AM
They are not illegal immigrants, you retard. Speaking legally, they are an equivalent of Alabamans squatting in Manhattan.
You would have to be a lawyer to speak to the law in any regard. I will wait for someone who doesn't play one on the internet to do so before making a response.
Quote from: Martinus on January 16, 2010, 04:32:04 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 15, 2010, 02:48:11 PM
Jesus. This is like a Daily Mail perfect storm: immigrants and property. If only there were a Royal wedding too.
LOL I started reading the article, then saw it's Daily Mail, and stopped.
Yeah, the Daily Mail does use some big words. You could have Malthus explain them to you if you really want to try this, though. It would probably be good for you, and you could move up over time, and be able to read
The Economist by the end of 2020. :showoff:
Quote from: Scipio on January 16, 2010, 08:37:05 AM
I laugh at your retarded foreign laws.
This is the guy who thinks pushing someone out of a door is assault.
Quote from: Pat on January 18, 2010, 04:18:26 AM
Quote from: Scipio on January 16, 2010, 08:37:05 AM
I laugh at your retarded foreign laws.
This is the guy who thinks pushing someone out of a door is assault.
No, I think that it's a battery.
Just to round off the perfect Daily Mail story, Romanians are also implicated in the death of Princess Diana. And squatters cause cancer.
Quote from: Martinus on January 16, 2010, 04:51:27 AM
In short, there are countless possible considerations and issues here that a common bobby (or derspiess) is neither prepared nor authorised to deal with. That's is why we have courts.
So you have a situation where one family is clearly the legal residents of the house, and another that had broken in & clearly doesn't belong there, and the police are supposed to just throw up their hands & leave it to however long it takes the legal system to figure it out? I really can't imagine that happening, not where I live anyway.
Quote from: Martinus on January 16, 2010, 04:58:53 AM
Quote from: Strix on January 15, 2010, 05:21:34 PM
They should have been arrested.
Illegal immigrants FTW! They are our future!
They are not illegal immigrants, you retard. Speaking legally, they are an equivalent of Alabamans squatting in Manhattan.
Yeah, Alabaman gypsies who speak Romanian & almost no English :lol:
Quote from: Brazen on January 18, 2010, 09:40:58 AM
Just to round off the perfect Daily Mail story, Romanians are also implicated in the death of Princess Diana. And squatters cause cancer.
I KNEW IT!
Quote from: derspiess on January 18, 2010, 09:43:07 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 16, 2010, 04:51:27 AM
In short, there are countless possible considerations and issues here that a common bobby (or derspiess) is neither prepared nor authorised to deal with. That's is why we have courts.
So you have a situation where one family is clearly the legal residents of the house, and another that had broken in & clearly doesn't belong there, and the police are supposed to just throw up their hands & leave it to however long it takes the legal system to figure it out? I really can't imagine that happening, not where I live anyway.
It doesn't take more than a day or two to get a possession order against squatters from the local court and another day or two to get them evicted by the court bailiff.
Unfortunately our policemen are not allowed to undertake judicial functions such as deciding who is entitled to occupy which property. Squatting is not, btw, a criminal offence provided there was no forced entry.
Quote from: Scipio on January 18, 2010, 09:19:01 AM
Quote from: Pat on January 18, 2010, 04:18:26 AM
Quote from: Scipio on January 16, 2010, 08:37:05 AM
I laugh at your retarded foreign laws.
This is the guy who thinks pushing someone out of a door is assault.
No, I think that it's a battery.
I meant Slargos, you solipsist.
Quote from: Gups on January 18, 2010, 10:36:17 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 18, 2010, 09:43:07 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 16, 2010, 04:51:27 AM
In short, there are countless possible considerations and issues here that a common bobby (or derspiess) is neither prepared nor authorised to deal with. That's is why we have courts.
So you have a situation where one family is clearly the legal residents of the house, and another that had broken in & clearly doesn't belong there, and the police are supposed to just throw up their hands & leave it to however long it takes the legal system to figure it out? I really can't imagine that happening, not where I live anyway.
It doesn't take more than a day or two to get a possession order against squatters from the local court and another day or two to get them evicted by the court bailiff.
Unfortunately our policemen are not allowed to undertake judicial functions such as deciding who is entitled to occupy which property. Squatting is not, btw, a criminal offence provided there was no forced entry.
I agree with the first part. Not the cop's job absent a court order to evict people.
I don't understand the last part. How does one gain access to someone elses' house without forced entry?
Generally speaking it's because they've left a window open.
Squatters hardly ever squat occupied buildings, because they'd be kicked out so quickly. They look for vacant places and then see if they can work out a way of getting into them without forcing entry.
Quote from: Gups on January 18, 2010, 12:05:35 PM
Generally speaking it's because they've left a window open.
Squatters hardly ever squat occupied buildings, because they'd be kicked out so quickly. They look for vacant places and then see if they can work out a way of getting into them without leaving evidence of forcing entry.
FTP
Quote from: grumbler on January 18, 2010, 12:28:12 PM
Quote from: Gups on January 18, 2010, 12:05:35 PM
Generally speaking it's because they've left a window open.
Squatters hardly ever squat occupied buildings, because they'd be kicked out so quickly. They look for vacant places and then see if they can work out a way of getting into them without leaving evidence of forcing entry.
FTP
Good fix.
Quote from: Pat on January 18, 2010, 11:07:31 AM
Quote from: Scipio on January 18, 2010, 09:19:01 AM
Quote from: Pat on January 18, 2010, 04:18:26 AM
Quote from: Scipio on January 16, 2010, 08:37:05 AM
I laugh at your retarded foreign laws.
This is the guy who thinks pushing someone out of a door is assault.
No, I think that it's a battery.
I meant Slargos, you solipsist.
I'm no solipsist. I'm a believer in the strong Scipionic principle of the universe.