As you may have heard, Paul Watson's minions have accused a japanese whaler of ramming a ship which was trying to dump stuff to get in the propeller. This is from a group which proudly put bombs on ships.
Quote from: Viking on January 06, 2010, 02:48:02 PM
As you may have heard, Paul Watson's minions have accused a japanese whaler of ramming a ship which was trying to dump stuff to get in the propeller. This is from a group which proudly put bombs on ships.
I dont think many people would lose too much sleep if those whalers were sunk.
Quote from: Bluebook on January 06, 2010, 03:02:02 PM
I dont think many people would lose too much sleep if those whalers were sunk.
:rolleyes:
Whalers vs. Greenpeace is like the Iran-Iraq War.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2010, 03:16:10 PM
Whalers vs. Greenpeace is like the Iran-Iraq War.
Only with whining and stinkbombs instead of human wave attacks and mustard gas. Too bad really. I could get behind some Japanese vs. Hippie ultra violence. You'd think it would be one sided, but the Japs aren't the same as they used to be, and these hippies here are pretty militant (the Japanese would fuck them up and I'd laugh).
Quote from: Bluebook on January 06, 2010, 03:02:02 PM
I dont think many people would lose too much sleep if those whalers were sunk.
Even so, I always root for the Japanese whenever I watch Whale Wars. Watching those idiotic incompetent hippies is hilarious.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2010, 03:16:10 PM
Whalers vs. Greenpeace is like the Iran-Iraq War.
The Seashepherd guys aren't Greenpeace, they hate each other. Greenpeace just follows the whalers around with megaphones, banners, and their tears. These guys throw stink bombs and attempt to foul the propellers of the whaling ships using speedboats that are trailing long ropes.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 06, 2010, 03:29:18 PM
Watching those idiotic incompetent hippies is hilarious.
My inner Stephen Decatur laughs at their seamanship.
Here's video of it. You'd think with such a high tech ship they would get someone who could drive it. Sea Shepwnd.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/17481983
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 06, 2010, 03:37:36 PM
The Seashepherd guys aren't Greenpeace, they hate each other. Greenpeace just follows the whalers around with megaphones, banners, and their tears. These guys throw stink bombs and attempt to foul the propellers of the whaling ships using speedboats that are trailing long ropes.
I was thrown off by Puffin Boy's heterodox spelling. :whistle:
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 06, 2010, 03:37:36 PM
The Seashepherd guys aren't Greenpeace, they hate each other. Greenpeace just follows the whalers around with megaphones, banners, and their tears. These guys throw stink bombs and attempt to foul the propellers of the whaling ships using speedboats that are trailing long ropes.
Dude, they do more than that... they've intentionally rammed ships and are even suspected of sinking ships with mines before IIRC. I think they sunk a number of Spanish whaling vessels at one point.
The funny thing is that some hippie millionaire donated that fast little ship this year, and they got it sunk almost immediately.
I only wish some of them had been killed.
Is that spelled right?
Its really strange the Japanese still keep up whaling to such a degree they do. It seems almost as if its a national pride thing; since they're under such pressure from the hippies they have to keep doing it or else the hippies will say they've won.
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 07:07:10 PM
Its really strange the Japanese still keep up whaling to such a degree they do. It seems almost as if its a national pride thing; since they're under such pressure from the hippies they have to keep doing it or else the hippies will say they've won.
Why wouldn't they? Is there any reason not to continue whaling?
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2010, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 07:07:10 PM
Its really strange the Japanese still keep up whaling to such a degree they do. It seems almost as if its a national pride thing; since they're under such pressure from the hippies they have to keep doing it or else the hippies will say they've won.
Why wouldn't they? Is there any reason not to continue whaling?
Economics.
A lot of what I've seen says whale meat is in pretty low demand in Japan, a surplus is caught which keeps prices really low. It would seem to me to be most sensible to catch a less whales and sell these for higher prices rather than expending a lot of fuel and man hours catching more than what is needed.
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2010, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 07:07:10 PM
Its really strange the Japanese still keep up whaling to such a degree they do. It seems almost as if its a national pride thing; since they're under such pressure from the hippies they have to keep doing it or else the hippies will say they've won.
Why wouldn't they? Is there any reason not to continue whaling?
Economics.
A lot of what I've seen says whale meat is in pretty low demand in Japan, a surplus is caught which keeps prices really low. It would seem to me to be most sensible to catch a less whales and sell these for higher prices rather than expending a lot of fuel and man hours catching more than what is needed.
Do you also think that it would be a good idea to grow less wheat in an effort to drive bread prices up?
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2010, 08:15:56 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2010, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 07:07:10 PM
Its really strange the Japanese still keep up whaling to such a degree they do. It seems almost as if its a national pride thing; since they're under such pressure from the hippies they have to keep doing it or else the hippies will say they've won.
Why wouldn't they? Is there any reason not to continue whaling?
Economics.
A lot of what I've seen says whale meat is in pretty low demand in Japan, a surplus is caught which keeps prices really low. It would seem to me to be most sensible to catch a less whales and sell these for higher prices rather than expending a lot of fuel and man hours catching more than what is needed.
Do you also think that it would be a good idea to grow less wheat in an effort to drive bread prices up?
Yes
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
Economics.
A lot of what I've seen says whale meat is in pretty low demand in Japan, a surplus is caught which keeps prices really low. It would seem to me to be most sensible to catch a less whales and sell these for higher prices rather than expending a lot of fuel and man hours catching more than what is needed.
In norway the allowable catch is increased by hundreds of whales each year. This is because any un-hunted quota from the previous year gets carried over to the next. It started out at around 600 and is now closing in on 2000. Nobody kills that many though, but the quota balloons.
Quote from: Viking on January 06, 2010, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
Economics.
A lot of what I've seen says whale meat is in pretty low demand in Japan, a surplus is caught which keeps prices really low. It would seem to me to be most sensible to catch a less whales and sell these for higher prices rather than expending a lot of fuel and man hours catching more than what is needed.
In norway the allowable catch is increased by hundreds of whales each year. This is because any un-hunted quota from the previous year gets carried over to the next. It started out at around 600 and is now closing in on 2000. Nobody kills that many though, but the quota balloons.
I suggest that you securitize those quotas, then sell them in an open exchange.
Quote from: Monoriu on January 07, 2010, 01:36:22 AM
Quote from: Viking on January 06, 2010, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
Economics.
A lot of what I've seen says whale meat is in pretty low demand in Japan, a surplus is caught which keeps prices really low. It would seem to me to be most sensible to catch a less whales and sell these for higher prices rather than expending a lot of fuel and man hours catching more than what is needed.
In norway the allowable catch is increased by hundreds of whales each year. This is because any un-hunted quota from the previous year gets carried over to the next. It started out at around 600 and is now closing in on 2000. Nobody kills that many though, but the quota balloons.
I suggest that you securitize those quotas, then sell them in an open exchange.
They are already transferable to buyers who are licensed whalers. It's just that the price of the whale on the open market isn't sufficient to justify the cost of going to get it and getting the license. If anything is going to end whaling is if it is opened up to free market competition, not maintained by governments to support the principle of whaling rather than permitting the activity. Nobody makes money doing this, most of the whalers today hunt as part of outsized government funded research programs which primarily serve to maintain the right right whale in the future. If it wasn't banned it would have died a natural death some time ago being reduced to a few mom and pop operations to supply the connoisseur.
Whale meat is ok, but nobody that sells it makes an effort.. 'cause the government subsidises the whole thing.
Quote from: Caliga on January 06, 2010, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 06, 2010, 03:37:36 PM
The Seashepherd guys aren't Greenpeace, they hate each other. Greenpeace just follows the whalers around with megaphones, banners, and their tears. These guys throw stink bombs and attempt to foul the propellers of the whaling ships using speedboats that are trailing long ropes.
Dude, they do more than that... they've intentionally rammed ships and are even suspected of sinking ships with mines before IIRC. I think they sunk a number of Spanish whaling vessels at one point.
That's actually kind of badass. :ph34r:
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2010, 08:15:56 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2010, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 07:07:10 PM
Its really strange the Japanese still keep up whaling to such a degree they do. It seems almost as if its a national pride thing; since they're under such pressure from the hippies they have to keep doing it or else the hippies will say they've won.
Why wouldn't they? Is there any reason not to continue whaling?
Economics.
A lot of what I've seen says whale meat is in pretty low demand in Japan, a surplus is caught which keeps prices really low. It would seem to me to be most sensible to catch a less whales and sell these for higher prices rather than expending a lot of fuel and man hours catching more than what is needed.
Do you also think that it would be a good idea to grow less wheat in an effort to drive bread prices up?
It's not the same thing though, everyone eats bread, only a very few eat whales.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2010, 01:54:36 AM
It's not the same thing though, everyone eats bread, only a very few eat whales.
The Japanese, apparently, don't eat bread, but do eat whales.
Quote from: Viking on January 07, 2010, 01:57:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2010, 01:54:36 AM
It's not the same thing though, everyone eats bread, only a very few eat whales.
The Japanese, apparently, don't eat bread, but do eat whales.
Well Japan it would be like comparing rice and whales.
Quote from: Viking on January 07, 2010, 01:43:19 AMThey are already transferable to buyers who are licensed whalers. It's just that the price of the whale on the open market isn't sufficient to justify the cost of going to get it and getting the license. If anything is going to end whaling is if it is opened up to free market competition, not maintained by governments to support the principle of whaling rather than permitting the activity. Nobody makes money doing this, most of the whalers today hunt as part of outsized government funded research programs which primarily serve to maintain the right right whale in the future. If it wasn't banned it would have died a natural death some time ago being reduced to a few mom and pop operations to supply the connoisseur.
Whale meat is ok, but nobody that sells it makes an effort.. 'cause the government subsidises the whole thing.
That's pretty funny.
That boat was pretty cool looking.
Quote from: Viking on January 07, 2010, 01:43:19 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 07, 2010, 01:36:22 AM
Quote from: Viking on January 06, 2010, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
Economics.
A lot of what I've seen says whale meat is in pretty low demand in Japan, a surplus is caught which keeps prices really low. It would seem to me to be most sensible to catch a less whales and sell these for higher prices rather than expending a lot of fuel and man hours catching more than what is needed.
In norway the allowable catch is increased by hundreds of whales each year. This is because any un-hunted quota from the previous year gets carried over to the next. It started out at around 600 and is now closing in on 2000. Nobody kills that many though, but the quota balloons.
I suggest that you securitize those quotas, then sell them in an open exchange.
They are already transferable to buyers who are licensed whalers. It's just that the price of the whale on the open market isn't sufficient to justify the cost of going to get it and getting the license. If anything is going to end whaling is if it is opened up to free market competition, not maintained by governments to support the principle of whaling rather than permitting the activity. Nobody makes money doing this, most of the whalers today hunt as part of outsized government funded research programs which primarily serve to maintain the right right whale in the future. If it wasn't banned it would have died a natural death some time ago being reduced to a few mom and pop operations to supply the connoisseur.
Whale meat is ok, but nobody that sells it makes an effort.. 'cause the government subsidises the whole thing.
What's the point then? Why should the government support it if there's no prospect of it to becoming profitable. It's not exactly a heavy industry (auto, air, etc) that one can argue is necessary to the nation.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2010, 02:29:56 AM
Quote from: Viking on January 07, 2010, 01:43:19 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 07, 2010, 01:36:22 AM
Quote from: Viking on January 06, 2010, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
Economics.
A lot of what I've seen says whale meat is in pretty low demand in Japan, a surplus is caught which keeps prices really low. It would seem to me to be most sensible to catch a less whales and sell these for higher prices rather than expending a lot of fuel and man hours catching more than what is needed.
In norway the allowable catch is increased by hundreds of whales each year. This is because any un-hunted quota from the previous year gets carried over to the next. It started out at around 600 and is now closing in on 2000. Nobody kills that many though, but the quota balloons.
I suggest that you securitize those quotas, then sell them in an open exchange.
They are already transferable to buyers who are licensed whalers. It's just that the price of the whale on the open market isn't sufficient to justify the cost of going to get it and getting the license. If anything is going to end whaling is if it is opened up to free market competition, not maintained by governments to support the principle of whaling rather than permitting the activity. Nobody makes money doing this, most of the whalers today hunt as part of outsized government funded research programs which primarily serve to maintain the right right whale in the future. If it wasn't banned it would have died a natural death some time ago being reduced to a few mom and pop operations to supply the connoisseur.
Whale meat is ok, but nobody that sells it makes an effort.. 'cause the government subsidises the whole thing.
What's the point then? Why should the government support it if there's no prospect of it to becoming profitable. It's not exactly a heavy industry (auto, air, etc) that one can argue is necessary to the nation.
The hatred of marine life?
My understanding is that the taste of whale meat is meh. At least, it is no where near the quality of tuna.
Quote from: Monoriu on January 07, 2010, 03:08:35 AM
My understanding is that the taste of whale meat is meh. At least, it is no where near the quality of tuna.
I suspect that calling it "whale meat" when pertains to taste is about as precise as "fish meat".
I've only had whale (in all likelyhood Minke) a couple of times, generally years inbetween though, so I can't say for sure. What I can say is that it's quite good, and that I would certainly prefer it to tuna the few times I have a say in the matter.
All yellow bastards that insist on raping the oceans for their fruity ass "traditional" culinary fetishes deserve what they get.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2010, 06:48:30 AM
All yellow bastards that insist on raping the oceans for their fruity ass "traditional" culinary fetishes deserve what they get.
Wouldn't it make more sense to rage against Asian and Spanish fishing practices then? After all, whaling is harmless.
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2010, 07:06:21 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2010, 06:48:30 AM
All yellow bastards that insist on raping the oceans for their fruity ass "traditional" culinary fetishes deserve what they get.
Wouldn't it make more sense to rage against Asian and Spanish fishing practices then? After all, whaling is harmless.
I hope a pack of wild Injuns steal your car.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2010, 07:07:54 AM
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2010, 07:06:21 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2010, 06:48:30 AM
All yellow bastards that insist on raping the oceans for their fruity ass "traditional" culinary fetishes deserve what they get.
Wouldn't it make more sense to rage against Asian and Spanish fishing practices then? After all, whaling is harmless.
I hope a pack of wild Injuns steal your car.
I live in the city. The immigrants have annihilated the Indian as a viable criminal in all but the worst parts of town, and they don't travel.
I've heard whale tastes like salty beef.
So unless I'm trying to figure out what meat would have tasted like in the distant past I'm not so keen to try it (I would if someone offered me a bit though).
Quote from: Viking on January 07, 2010, 01:43:19 AMIn norway the allowable catch is increased by hundreds of whales each year. This is because any un-hunted quota from the previous year gets carried over to the next. It started out at around 600 and is now closing in on 2000. Nobody kills that many though, but the quota balloons.
Interesting.
And I guess the hippies ignore the reasoning behind the increase and bitch about the high quotas as if this is a minimum rather than maximum quota?
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They are already transferable to buyers who are licensed whalers. It's just that the price of the whale on the open market isn't sufficient to justify the cost of going to get it and getting the license. If anything is going to end whaling is if it is opened up to free market competition, not maintained by governments to support the principle of whaling rather than permitting the activity. Nobody makes money doing this, most of the whalers today hunt as part of outsized government funded research programs which primarily serve to maintain the right right whale in the future. If it wasn't banned it would have died a natural death some time ago being reduced to a few mom and pop operations to supply the connoisseur.
Whale meat is ok, but nobody that sells it makes an effort.. 'cause the government subsidises the whole thing.
Thats the impression I got from the Japanese, interesting I was on the right lines. It really does seem to be a national pride and not wanting to 'lose' thing.
Quote from: NeilWouldn't it make more sense to rage against Asian and Spanish fishing practices then? After all, whaling is harmless.
Defiantly to the Spanish.
Damn bastards.
Its shocking how anti-Europe folks don't pick up on that so much, having our seas raped by the Spaniards was the worst thing to come from joining the EU
Quote from: Tyr on January 07, 2010, 09:59:35 AMDefiantly to the Spanish.
Damn bastards.
Its shocking how anti-Europe folks don't pick up on that so much, having our seas raped by the Spaniards was the worst thing to come from joining the EU
:ike:
Quote from: The Larch on January 07, 2010, 10:18:51 AM
:ike:
Nope. I really don't like what your fishermen did at all.
Getting tired of listening to this retarded nonsense about Spanish fishing I've tried to check some data.
According to wiki (no, I'll not check their data, do it yourself if it pleases you) the following countries harvest more fish than Spain:
China, Peru, USA, Indonesia, Chile, Japan, India, Russia, Thailand, Norway, Philippines, Vietnam, Myanmar, Iceland, South Korea, Bangladesh, Mexico, Malaysia, Canda, Taiwan, Morocco, Argentina and Denmark.
Between Spain (848,803 tons) and the UK (669,458 tons) there are only two countries: Brazil and South Africa.
All this data is concerned about capture, not aquaculture as I suppose you don't have any problem with those.
Next time you blur some stupid prejudice at least do your homework. <_<
Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_by_country
Quote from: clandestino on January 07, 2010, 01:52:15 PM
Getting tired of listening to this retarded nonsense about Spanish fishing I've tried to check some data.
According to wiki (no, I'll not check their data, do it yourself if it pleases you) the following countries harvest more fish than Spain:
China, Peru, USA, Indonesia, Chile, Japan, India, Russia, Thailand, Norway, Philippines, Vietnam, Myanmar, Iceland, South Korea, Bangladesh, Mexico, Malaysia, Canda, Taiwan, Morocco, Argentina and Denmark.
Between Spain (848,803 tons) and the UK (669,458 tons) there are only two countries: Brazil and South Africa.
All this data is concerned about capture, not aquaculture as I suppose you don't have any problem with those.
Next time you blur some stupid prejudice at least do your homework. <_<
Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_by_country
None of which has anything to do with the point (of the thread or the 'Darn Spaniards stole our fish' issue)
Quote from: The Larch on January 07, 2010, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 07, 2010, 10:25:11 AM
Quote from: The Larch on January 07, 2010, 10:18:51 AM
:ike:
Nope. I really don't like what your fishermen did at all.
And what did they do, pray tell?
Oversalt the bacalao.
I propose that resources be reallocated to Ribera del Duero, Priorat, and Jumilla production; prices have gotten too high.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2010, 03:16:10 PM
Whalers vs. Greenpeace is like the Iran-Iraq War.
:lmfao:
Quote from: Caliga on January 06, 2010, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 06, 2010, 03:37:36 PM
The Seashepherd guys aren't Greenpeace, they hate each other. Greenpeace just follows the whalers around with megaphones, banners, and their tears. These guys throw stink bombs and attempt to foul the propellers of the whaling ships using speedboats that are trailing long ropes.
Dude, they do more than that... they've intentionally rammed ships and are even suspected of sinking ships with mines before IIRC. I think they sunk a number of Spanish whaling vessels at one point.
We have whaling ships? :unsure:
Quote from: Tyr on January 07, 2010, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: The Larch on January 07, 2010, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 07, 2010, 10:25:11 AM
Quote from: The Larch on January 07, 2010, 10:18:51 AM
:ike:
Nope. I really don't like what your fishermen did at all.
And what did they do, pray tell?
Over fished in British waters ruining fish stocks.
That's quite a sweeping exageration. Got some numbers for that? Any particular waters? Time frame?
Quote from: Iormlund on January 07, 2010, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 06, 2010, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 06, 2010, 03:37:36 PM
The Seashepherd guys aren't Greenpeace, they hate each other. Greenpeace just follows the whalers around with megaphones, banners, and their tears. These guys throw stink bombs and attempt to foul the propellers of the whaling ships using speedboats that are trailing long ropes.
Dude, they do more than that... they've intentionally rammed ships and are even suspected of sinking ships with mines before IIRC. I think they sunk a number of Spanish whaling vessels at one point.
We have whaling ships? :unsure:
We did have a whaling industry until the early-mid XXth century, IIRC, but it dwindled from then on and dissapeared in the 80s.
Quote from: Iormlund on January 07, 2010, 04:55:15 PM
We have whaling ships? :unsure:
They sank two icelandic whaling ships during the late 80's and then got stopped for speeding on the way out of the country... only to get a ticket. I don't think they paid their fine.
Quote from: Iormlund on January 07, 2010, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 06, 2010, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 06, 2010, 03:37:36 PM
The Seashepherd guys aren't Greenpeace, they hate each other. Greenpeace just follows the whalers around with megaphones, banners, and their tears. These guys throw stink bombs and attempt to foul the propellers of the whaling ships using speedboats that are trailing long ropes.
Dude, they do more than that... they've intentionally rammed ships and are even suspected of sinking ships with mines before IIRC. I think they sunk a number of Spanish whaling vessels at one point.
We have whaling ships? :unsure:
Dug a bit on it, turns out they sank two whalers in 1980 using homemade mines. In their site they claim it was in Vigo, but in news reports of the time they say it was actually in Marín.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/GREENPEACE/Hundimiento/provocado/balleneros/Marin/elpepiesp/19800429elpepinac_29/Tes/ (http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/GREENPEACE/Hundimiento/provocado/balleneros/Marin/elpepiesp/19800429elpepinac_29/Tes/)
http://www.seashepherd.org/whales/sea-shepherd-history.html (http://www.seashepherd.org/whales/sea-shepherd-history.html)
And this is their tally:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F2%2F25%2FDSC_0564_sm.jpg&hash=8da25da655d29242fb948a8299ce4cc0ac39e7e7)
The Sierra sank off Porto in 1979, ISBA I & II in 1980 in Galicia, Susan & Theresa in 1980 in South Africa, the Hvalurs in Iceland in 86, and the three Norwegian ones in 1992, 94 and 98.
They need to get kilt. :mad:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 07, 2010, 04:29:55 PM
Oversalt the bacalao.
I propose that resources be reallocated to Ribera del Duero, Priorat, and Jumilla production; prices have gotten too high.
There is no such thing as an oversalted bacalhau. :)
Quote from: The LarchIn their site they claim it was in Vigo
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstevemccutchen.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F03%2Fvigo.jpg&hash=08a10d0f449e0d09ca84792b58ba01767473c6d7)
Ghostbusters 2 sucked. I hope they do a better job with the long awaited (by very few) third one.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 07, 2010, 08:17:24 PM
Ghostbusters 2 sucked. I hope they do a better job with the long awaited (by very few) third one.
Fuck you. Ghostbusters 2 was good.
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2010, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 07, 2010, 08:17:24 PM
Ghostbusters 2 sucked. I hope they do a better job with the long awaited (by very few) third one.
Fuck you. Ghostbusters 2 was good.
The old show with the gorilla was better.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 07, 2010, 09:25:58 PM
The old show with the gorilla was better.
:mad: Never mention that monstrosity again.
Quote from: Caliga on January 08, 2010, 10:29:29 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 07, 2010, 09:25:58 PM
The old show with the gorilla was better.
:mad: Never mention that monstrosity again.
Only if you people admit GB2 was teh sux0r.
Quote from: Viking on January 07, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on January 07, 2010, 04:55:15 PM
We have whaling ships? :unsure:
They sank two icelandic whaling ships during the late 80's and then got stopped for speeding on the way out of the country... only to get a ticket. I don't think they paid their fine.
Looks like they need to be doing some prison time. Have any of them been tried for these attacks and sunk ships? Using mines? I'd hope these guys are chased down and arrested, or at least detained and questioned by naval ships, when ever they show up on the ocean chasing whalers.
I'm torn here. I hate whales. The fuckers creep me out. But then the Japanese creep me out. Sinking Spanish and Scandi ships seems pretty cool.
Hmmm. My conclusion: Sinking Spanish and Norwegian ships is bad. Sinking Japanese and Icelandic vessels is good.
What's the problem with whaling? As long as the species aren't threatened with extinction what's the big deal?
Quote from: The Brain on January 08, 2010, 07:28:08 PM
What's the problem with whaling? As long as the species aren't threatened with extinction what's the big deal?
Agreed there. I don't like whaling, would like to say leave the whales alone, but we go after all sorts of sea life for food and products. And if there's a use and market for it, and no harm to whale numbers, then why not harvest/hunt them?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 06, 2010, 03:46:52 PM
Here's video of it. You'd think with such a high tech ship they would get someone who could drive it. Sea Shepwnd.
This issue intrigued me, so I checked it a litte bit more.
Turns out this ship was, in fact, a VERY high-tech alternative fuel power boat called the "Earthrace". It broke the world-crossing record by a biodiesel ship in 2008, going from one end to the other in just 61 days.
It was fairly badass, in a James Bond-esque style. Not only it was a fast ship, but it could also dive up to seven meters deep, had no carbon emissions and a full fuel tank could propel it through half the planet with no resupply needed.
It has a site:
http://www.earthrace.net/
Then I noticed the ship had an SGC logo, which is from a Portuguese company. I contacted them, and it turns out they sponsored the ship that year and gave it its organic fuel.
Through them I could reach the ships' Chief Engineer, who was born in Guyana but is of portuguese descent.
He toild me they lost it this morning 200 miles north of the Antarctic ice self (I got the exact location), but there are some interesting extra facts he told me:
1. After the records, the "Earthrace" was pretty much done as a ship, and had no practical purpose anymore.
2. The "Earthrace/Ady Gil" captain, Pete Bethune, was actually the previous owner of the ship. The millionaire was just an intermediate betweem him and the Sheperds. And the deal with the organization noted that he should remain at the helm of the ship.
3. The Sea Sheperds' fully intended to use it as a "blocking" ship, to use it to intercept the course of the Japanese ships;
4. The "Earthrace", now known as the "Ady Gil", had a MAJOR overhaul for this operation. They made it even MORE of a badass, namely by:
a) Adding extra 4 tons of kevlar to its 11 ton hull, to make it impervious to eventual harpoons;
b) Covering it with a layer that made it invisible to radar, in order not to show up on the whalers' scanners.
The ship was INTENDED to take serious risks and probably get a pounding.
There was some publicity to this, and the Japanese knew well its "risk-taking" intentions.
5. The ship that rammed it is not a whaling ship. The last ship on a japanese whaling convoy is always a "security ship", and the vessel that rammed the "Earthrace/Ady Gil" was that one.
Given their previous knowlege of the Sea Sheperds' intentions, it is very likely this japanese ship was specifically trained to ram it as soon as they got a visual of it (they could not know where it was otherwise).
6. This event is giving the ship and his captain free publicity; They expect to attract investors' attentions and get funding for a better vessel (and one that will not go to the Sheperds).
Overall, it seemed to me more and more that they went in deliberately expecting to get hit heavy (which would be quite probable, as the Japanese see the Sea Sheperds' as criminals and take everything so serious as to see it all as a life and death struggle) and get free publicity from it, allowing them to get a new ship in exchange for the old.
Interesting info Martim, and interesting that you could call someone about it. Good stuff. :) And it seems to me that the publicity they'll get goes both ways. I'm kind of appalled that these anti whaling guys are attacking and sinking ships, threatening lives and property. Basically terrorism, piracy and what ever else. Not that I like whaling but it is a legal industry.
Quote from: The Brain on January 08, 2010, 07:28:08 PM
What's the problem with whaling? As long as the species aren't threatened with extinction what's the big deal?
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28315
Quote from: KRonn on January 08, 2010, 08:41:16 PM
Interesting info Martim, and interesting that you could call someone about it. Good stuff. :)
Interesting is one word for it.
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Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2010, 07:07:10 PM
Its really strange the Japanese still keep up whaling to such a degree they do. It seems almost as if its a national pride thing; since they're under such pressure from the hippies they have to keep doing it or else the hippies will say they've won.
Why wouldn't they? Is there any reason not to continue whaling?
Economics.
A lot of what I've seen says whale meat is in pretty low demand in Japan, a surplus is caught which keeps prices really low. It would seem to me to be most sensible to catch a less whales and sell these for higher prices rather than expending a lot of fuel and man hours catching more than what is needed.
Do you also think that it would be a good idea to grow less wheat in an effort to drive bread prices up?
bread prices go up regardless of what happens
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It was fairly badass, in a James Bond-esque style. Not only it was a fast ship, but it could also dive up to seven meters deep, had no carbon emissions and a full fuel tank could propel it through half the planet with no resupply needed.
That is cool...
OK, I'm now squarely against the Japanese.
Quote from: The Larch on January 07, 2010, 04:58:18 PM
That's quite a sweeping exageration. Got some numbers for that? Any particular waters? Time frame?
You're kidding right?
It was a pretty major poltiical issue back in the 80s/90s. It still continues these days though at a far lesser level given the British fishing industry being nigh-on dead and our fish stocks having collapsed.
After Gibralter its the biggest sticking point in British-Spanish relations. Look up the Factortame case.
Why would you be against the Japanese because of that?
Quote from: Jaron on January 09, 2010, 04:06:56 PM
Why would you be against the Japanese because of that?
Hippie retardation.
The boat project had zero net carbon emissions; the boat did not have zero carbon emissions.
Ironically, while it set the record for a powered circumnavigation of the earth by a motorized boat, its record was far (more than 10 days) shy of the even more eco-friendly sailing ship, the Orange II and almost a day longer than the (submerged) circumnavigation by the USS Triton. :cool:
Quote from: grumbler on January 09, 2010, 08:28:14 PM
The boat project had zero net carbon emissions; the boat did not have zero carbon emissions.
Ironically, while it set the record for a powered circumnavigation of the earth by a motorized boat, its record was far (more than 10 days) shy of the even more eco-friendly sailing ship, the Orange II and almost a day longer than the (submerged) circumnavigation by the USS Triton. :cool:
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