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Title: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 31, 2009, 08:41:29 AM
QuotePolice urge partyers to celebrate holiday without firing guns

By Peter Hermann | [email protected]
December 31, 2009

In some Baltimore neighborhoods, New Year's Eve revelers shoot bullets instead of fireworks.

And as in years past, city police are mounting an offensive to, if not put a stop to the celebratory gunfire, at least scare some people into putting away their guns and joining tens of thousands for the sanctioned display of pyrotechnics over the Inner Harbor.

As many as 1,000 extra officers could be out looking for guns tonight. "We flood the streets with cops to at least give off the appearance that we're everywhere," said Agent Donny Moses, a department spokesman. "Hopefully, people will think twice about doing it because there are so many of us out there."

But, Moses said, "It's still a Baltimore tradition, one that we have to deal with."

Retired Baltimore Police Capt. Jerry "Buz" Busnuk, who now runs a security consulting business and writes a crime blog, remembers his first New Year's Eve as a rookie cop in the Western District in the early 1970s. He said his sergeant told the officers, "If it's getting close to midnight, make yourselves very scarce."

Busnuk said they were told to hide in a school or in a group and "to stay out of people's way." He said he still heeded that advice in the 1980s when he was a sergeant in the Southwestern. Ten minutes before the dawn of a new year, he took cover at Edmondson High School.

"I could see the fireworks downtown, but I thought I was in the middle of Beirut," the retired captain said. "Guns were going off around me like crazy."


That was before, Busnuk said, the "Let's go out and get 'em crew."

In 1999, Baltimore's new mayor, Martin O'Malley, publicly complained that in years past, city police had hidden beneath highway overpasses and taken cover to avoid being showered with bullets. He ordered police to confront the gunmen, and on Jan. 1, 2000, he announced that cops had arrested more than 100 people and seized 122 guns the preceding night.

That year - 1999 going into 2000 - 516 Baltimore residents called 911 to report gunfire, 75 of them between 11:55 p.m. and 12:05 a.m. Officers in the Eastern District were hit by remnants of shotgun shells while standing outside their station house. Across town in the Western, police found 300 spent shell casings on a single corner. Someone with a machine gun shot an electrical box and knocked out power to 51 homes. And a bullet crashed through a skylight of a house on North Glover Street.

In 2003, a police officer confronting a holiday reveler was shot in the hip. In 2002, a bullet fired into the air came down and hit a 19-year-old woman in the head as she watched fireworks at the Inner Harbor. One year, a city officer was heard on the radio saying, "In addition to all the gunfire, we have fireworks."

Baltimore Police Commissioner Frederick H. Bealefeld III has made "bad guys with guns" his theme, and so far this year (through Tuesday), police have arrested 1,103 people on firearms charges and seized 2,608 guns. In all of last year, police arrested 1,226 people on gun charges and took 2,708 firearms off the streets.

In addition to extra officers, police have new tools to help. Sensors set up around the Johns Hopkins University campus identify gunshots and point police to a location, enabling them to respond quickly. A university spokesman said the system has been triggered six times this year, but none was confirmed as gunshots.

Police also are testing two gunshot sensors on East Monument Street, though results have been spotty, with just as many false alarms as actual gunfire detections. "It will be interesting to see what happens on New Year's," said Sheryl Goldstein, who heads the mayor's Office on Criminal Justice.

Busnuk said police should send out warnings about New Year's as early as the day after Christmas, to warn partyers to put down their guns. "I think a lot of people shooting guns really aren't criminals," the retired officer said. "I think a lot of people are just caught up in it, and a warning would stop some of the average Joes from doing this."

Moses, the police spokesman, noted the obvious, a statement given out every year by one police official or another: "When you fire those rounds up in the air, they have to come down."

His plea to the citizenry: "Celebrate in peace."

We were told to go hide the cars or duck into a diner for about an hour.  How times have changed.  Not.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Neil on December 31, 2009, 09:04:57 AM
It's funny how similar blacks and Arabs are.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: grumbler on December 31, 2009, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 31, 2009, 09:04:57 AM
It's funny how similar blacks and Arabs are.
Not just in this.  You hear the name "Mohammad Ali" and you don't know if that is an Arab or an African/African American.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 31, 2009, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 31, 2009, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 31, 2009, 09:04:57 AM
It's funny how similar blacks and Arabs are.
Not just in this.  You hear the name "Mohammad Ali" and you don't know if that is an Arab or an African/African American.

Or "Sammy Davis Jr" for that matter.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Martinus on January 02, 2010, 05:36:56 AM
 :D
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Fireblade on January 02, 2010, 09:28:24 AM
Quote from: grumbler on December 31, 2009, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 31, 2009, 09:04:57 AM
It's funny how similar blacks and Arabs are.
Not just in this.  You hear the name "Mohammad Ali" and you don't know if that is an Arab or an African/African American.

Yeah, it'd be better if we could still name our pet niggers things like "Remus", "Theophilus", or "Muley" like in the Good Old Days.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Habbaku on January 02, 2010, 12:19:37 PM
So, Seedy, you have anyone get killed by celebratory gunfire (as opposed to the normal kind--we know that happened) this year?

Atlanta had a 4 year old get offed when a bullet came down onto the church he was in.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Neil on January 02, 2010, 12:32:44 PM
Quote from: Fireblade on January 02, 2010, 09:28:24 AM
Quote from: grumbler on December 31, 2009, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 31, 2009, 09:04:57 AM
It's funny how similar blacks and Arabs are.
Not just in this.  You hear the name "Mohammad Ali" and you don't know if that is an Arab or an African/African American.
Yeah, it'd be better if we could still name our pet niggers things like "Remus", "Theophilus", or "Muley" like in the Good Old Days.
Don't need to do that anymore.  They name themselves with far more ridiculous clown names than we ever could.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Camerus on January 02, 2010, 12:34:00 PM
Remind me why you want to live there again?   :huh:
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on January 02, 2010, 12:36:44 PM
There's no place like home  :cool:
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2010, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 02, 2010, 12:19:37 PM
So, Seedy, you have anyone get killed by celebratory gunfire (as opposed to the normal kind--we know that happened) this year?

No, but there was a shooting that ended with the homicide rate for 2009 of 237 eclipsing 2008's number of 234, so yay!
And, true to form, we opened up 2010 with a nice triple-shooting.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Lucidor on January 02, 2010, 02:32:33 PM
Balkanmore PD are smart.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Valmy on January 02, 2010, 03:07:58 PM
Baltimore is not that bad.  Cal Ripken played 2,632 consecutive baseball games without getting shot once.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Syt on January 04, 2010, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2010, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 02, 2010, 12:19:37 PM
So, Seedy, you have anyone get killed by celebratory gunfire (as opposed to the normal kind--we know that happened) this year?

No, but there was a shooting that ended with the homicide rate for 2009 of 237 eclipsing 2008's number of 234, so yay!
And, true to form, we opened up 2010 with a nice triple-shooting.

Vienna had 23 homicides in 2009. 2 of which were not solved. 17 kills were the result of relationship drama.
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 02:45:44 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 04, 2010, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2010, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 02, 2010, 12:19:37 PM
So, Seedy, you have anyone get killed by celebratory gunfire (as opposed to the normal kind--we know that happened) this year?

No, but there was a shooting that ended with the homicide rate for 2009 of 237 eclipsing 2008's number of 234, so yay!
And, true to form, we opened up 2010 with a nice triple-shooting.

Vienna had 23 homicides in 2009. 2 of which were not solved. 17 kills were the result of relationship drama.

HOw much do you want to bet that on a per capita basis we had more?   :showoff:
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Syt on January 04, 2010, 03:03:56 PM
Well, you guys won't have to divide by 1.6 million. :P
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 03:12:18 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 04, 2010, 03:03:56 PM
Well, you guys won't have to divide by 1.6 million. :P

:yes:

Only by 30,000.

But I remember I broke it down once for Baltimore before.  I think they had a higher per capita murder rate, but our overall violent crime rate was shockingly higher.  :showoff:
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: Ed Anger on January 04, 2010, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 03:12:18 PM


But I remember I broke it down once for Baltimore before.  I think they had a higher per capita murder rate, but our overall violent crime rate was shockingly higher.  :showoff:

Felony flannel wearing
Aggravated Tim Horton's
Misdemeanor assault with a curling broom
Title: Re: New Year's Eve in Mobtown: "Please don't shoot"
Post by: katmai on January 04, 2010, 03:21:24 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 03:12:18 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 04, 2010, 03:03:56 PM
Well, you guys won't have to divide by 1.6 million. :P

:yes:

Only by 30,000.

But I remember I broke it down once for Baltimore before.  I think they had a higher per capita murder rate, but our overall violent crime rate was shockingly higher.  :showoff:

Alaska has some of the highest violent crime rates in USA :w00t: