Car manufacturer the US government has decided to let SAAB die. Unlike Socialist America the Swedish government will not buy the money-losing company. It's gone.
It's all good. It is unclear why companies that don't make money should be kept alive, or rather in a state of undeath.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8421007.stm
QuoteGM to 'wind down' Saab business
GM has been trying to sell Saab since January.
GM says it has failed to sell its Swedish car brand Saab and will begin "an orderly wind-down of Saab operations".
GM had been in talks with the Dutch speciality car maker Spyker over a sale. Talks with Sweden's Koenigsegg also fell through earlier this year.
"We regret that we are not able to complete this transaction with Spyker Cars," said GM Europe boss Nick Reilly.
GM has been trying to sell Saab as part of its turnaround plans since January.
It is the end of the road for Saab, the car that emerged from a company making fighter jets.
When its owner GM bought Saab, it was seen as a brand that could become the US automotive group's European luxury brand.
But the quirky cars did not attract a broad enough following, so it failed to make money.
GM's solution was to cut costs by sharing ever more parts with Opel while, at the same time, toning down their design.
Such moves alienated traditional Saab customers without gaining new ones. New product development ground to a halt and in the end, there was simply not enough left of Saab to make it worth preserving.
Mr Reilly added that all debts would be paid and that the winding-down would be "an orderly process".
On a conference call, GM vice-president John Smith said it became clear that there were serious problems with the Spyker talks that could not be resolved.
He said: "We reached a point of impasse, we decided to deal with it and move on."
A statement from the firm said that Saab would continue to honour all warranties, while providing service and spare parts to current Saab owners around the world.
Last week, Saab agreed a deal with Beijing Automotive to sell it some of Saab's technology. That deal will not be affected by the latest announcement.
Saab employs 3,400 people in Sweden and GM estimates 8,000 people will suffer indirectly.
Sweden's government said it was sad news but that it would not step in to save Saab.
THE HISTORY OF SAAB
1937: Saab founded as aircraft maker
1946: Starts making cars
1969: Merges with Scania-Vabis
1990: Car division splits from aircraft business. GM and Investor AB take 50% stake
2000: GM takes 100% ownership
Jan 2009: GM announces talks to sell Saab
Aug 2009: Koenigsegg agrees terms to buy Saab.
Nov 2009: Koenigsegg pulls out of talks.
1 Dec 2009: GM says will consider offers until end of December
18 Dec 2009: GM announces the winding down of Saab
Source: Reuters
"It is very dismal. Very sad news for all of the employees and it comes at the worst possible time", the Enterprise Minister Maud Olofsson told the Swedish news agency TT.
She has called a meeting to discuss the situation with unions on Monday.
"I don't think GM really knows how the wind-down is going to take place, but GM has to take its responsibility," she said.
"The most important thing right now is to take care of the employees and the future, how to make the most of their know-how," she added.
Last year, Saab lost 3bn kronor (£255m; $412m). It has not made a profit since 2001 and made up 1.1% of GM's global sales.
"This has been 20 years in the making. At one point, Saab had cachet, but it just didn't update its models fast enough," said Michael Tyndall, auto specialist at Nomura. "This just shows that the industry moves on and if you don't invest, you don't do well."
Saab was just about to replace its 9-5 model after more than a decade on the market. Most car companies bring out a new model every five or six years.
GM said its focus would remain on its four core brands - Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet and GMC - as well as its European business Opel.
GM pledged to become a leaner company when it emerged from bankruptcy protection in July this year. It had been hit by a sharp slump in sales - partly because of the financial crisis, but also because of stiff competition from Japanese rivals.
The company is now 62%-owned by the US government.
Will this stop American Languish idiots whining about "socialist Sweden"?
My prediction: No.
Oddly enough, a search for the phrase "socialist Sweden" yields one result. Well, two now.
Dismantling of Sweden one step at a time :menace:
Quote from: Martinus on December 19, 2009, 03:39:46 AM
Will this stop American Languish idiots whining about "socialist Sweden"?
My prediction: No.
Maybe if Sweden were less socialist, it would have more money on hand to save Saab.
Welp. I did kinda like the Saab I looked at before buying my current car. I guess.
Quote from: DGuller on December 19, 2009, 04:59:01 AM
Maybe if Sweden were less socialist, it would have more money on hand to save Saab.
Like US? :lol:
Given that the estimations I've seen about the costs of feeding and housing our migrant MENA parasites are about $10bn yearly, I'd say it's quite reasonable to claim that we could've saved SAAB a couple times over if Sweden would've been less socialist.
Quote from: Slargos on December 19, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Given that the estimations I've seen about the costs of feeding and housing our migrant MENA parasites are about $10bn yearly, I'd say it's quite reasonable to claim that we could've saved SAAB a couple times over if Sweden would've been less socialist.
It still wouldn't be worth saving SAAB.
Quote from: Slargos on December 19, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Given that the estimations I've seen about the costs of feeding and housing our migrant MENA parasites are about $10bn yearly, I'd say it's quite reasonable to claim that we could've saved SAAB a couple times over if Sweden would've been less socialist.
If we'd been less socialist, what other ideology would we have been more of so that we would have had less immigrants?
Nationalist? :lol:
Quote from: Sahib on December 19, 2009, 06:29:05 AM
Quote from: DGuller on December 19, 2009, 04:59:01 AM
Maybe if Sweden were less socialist, it would have more money on hand to save Saab.
Like US? :lol:
Yeah, like you. :cool:
Quote from: Pat on December 19, 2009, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: Slargos on December 19, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Given that the estimations I've seen about the costs of feeding and housing our migrant MENA parasites are about $10bn yearly, I'd say it's quite reasonable to claim that we could've saved SAAB a couple times over if Sweden would've been less socialist.
If we'd been less socialist, what other ideology would we have been more of so that we would have had less immigrants?
If we'd been less socialist, we'd be less attractive to welfare parasites and we'd have a lower overhead on those who came here anyway.
Quote from: Ancient Demon on December 19, 2009, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: Slargos on December 19, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Given that the estimations I've seen about the costs of feeding and housing our migrant MENA parasites are about $10bn yearly, I'd say it's quite reasonable to claim that we could've saved SAAB a couple times over if Sweden would've been less socialist.
It still wouldn't be worth saving SAAB.
That's for Damn sure. It should've floundered years ago.
I'm just working on my Sisyphus impression again.
Quote from: Slargos on December 20, 2009, 03:37:22 AM
If we'd been less socialist, we'd be less attractive to welfare parasites and we'd have a lower overhead on those who came here anyway.
I'm not sure about being less attractive. Spain has nothing like the level of welfare you guys do and we've still received a million immigrants a year for the last decade. The basic problem is the countries these people flee from are complete shitholes. Any developed country is going to be a huge step forward.
Quote from: Iormlund on December 20, 2009, 07:00:24 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 20, 2009, 03:37:22 AM
If we'd been less socialist, we'd be less attractive to welfare parasites and we'd have a lower overhead on those who came here anyway.
I'm not sure about being less attractive. Spain has nothing like the level of welfare you guys do and we've still received a million immigrants a year for the last decade. The basic problem is the countries these people flee from are complete shitholes. Any developed country is going to be a huge step forward.
All else being equal, Spain would be a closer destination for a lot of people, and you'd have to deal with the riff raff instead of us. :P
Saab is too big a name to go, someone will take the name and start using it before too long I bet. Maybe some Chinese or Indian company when they sell to the west.
Quote from: Tyr on December 20, 2009, 08:29:17 AM
Saab is too big a name to go, someone will take the name and start using it before too long I bet. Maybe some Chinese or Indian company when they sell to the west.
SAAB is alot smaller than Rover was for example. It's toast, unless some chinaman starts building copies, like Rowe.
Quote from: Slargos on December 20, 2009, 08:06:11 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 20, 2009, 07:00:24 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 20, 2009, 03:37:22 AM
If we'd been less socialist, we'd be less attractive to welfare parasites and we'd have a lower overhead on those who came here anyway.
I'm not sure about being less attractive. Spain has nothing like the level of welfare you guys do and we've still received a million immigrants a year for the last decade. The basic problem is the countries these people flee from are complete shitholes. Any developed country is going to be a huge step forward.
All else being equal, Spain would be a closer destination for a lot of people, and you'd have to deal with the riff raff instead of us. :P
Sure, but compared to the odyssey that is coming from Sub-Saharan Africa, getting to Sweden from Spain surely isn't that big a deal. Just a matter of getting on the right bus. If welfare is all you want, that is.
That 10 million stayed here, where low-skilled employment opportunities were abundant (mostly construction), tells me most of these people want to work.
Quote from: Threviel on December 20, 2009, 11:30:05 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 20, 2009, 08:29:17 AM
Saab is too big a name to go, someone will take the name and start using it before too long I bet. Maybe some Chinese or Indian company when they sell to the west.
SAAB is alot smaller than Rover was for example. It's toast, unless some chinaman starts building copies, like Rowe.
Latest rumor is that the dutch will try again, with a new bit before 31. dec. The Chinamen join them in the bit...
Quote from: Iormlund on December 20, 2009, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 20, 2009, 08:06:11 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 20, 2009, 07:00:24 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 20, 2009, 03:37:22 AM
If we'd been less socialist, we'd be less attractive to welfare parasites and we'd have a lower overhead on those who came here anyway.
I'm not sure about being less attractive. Spain has nothing like the level of welfare you guys do and we've still received a million immigrants a year for the last decade. The basic problem is the countries these people flee from are complete shitholes. Any developed country is going to be a huge step forward.
All else being equal, Spain would be a closer destination for a lot of people, and you'd have to deal with the riff raff instead of us. :P
Sure, but compared to the odyssey that is coming from Sub-Saharan Africa, getting to Sweden from Spain surely isn't that big a deal. Just a matter of getting on the right bus. If welfare is all you want, that is.
That 10 million stayed here, where low-skilled employment opportunities were abundant (mostly construction), tells me most of these people want to work.
So you're getting the people who want to work while we're getting the freeloaders. Sounds like you're making my point for me. :P
Quote from: Tyr on December 20, 2009, 08:29:17 AM
Saab is too big a name to go, someone will take the name and start using it before too long I bet. Maybe some Chinese or Indian company when they sell to the west.
The chinks would be better off buying a brand name that isn't associated with ridiculous failure.
First the lunchdate snubbing with the Norwegians, and now this.
Obama is CLEARLY an anti-Scandite. :mad: