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Title: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: MadImmortalMan on December 15, 2009, 03:07:05 PM
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The big spill: Flood could have filled Mediterranean in less than two years
Discovery of distinctive channel, calculations of possible water movement suggest fast and furious flow formed the sea
By Lisa Grossman

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Millions of years ago, a torrent of water through the Strait of Gibraltar, which separates Spain (left) from Morocco (right), could have filled the dried-up Mediterranean Sea basin in less than two years.NASA Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth

A cataclysmic flood could have filled the Mediterranean Sea — which millions of years ago was a dry basin — like a bathtub in the space of less than two years. A new model suggests that at the flood's peak water poured from the Atlantic into the Mediterranean basin at a rate one thousand times the flow of the Amazon River, according to calculations published in the Dec. 10 Nature.

"In an instantaneous flash, the dry Mediterranean became a normal Mediterranean like we see it today," says lead author Daniel Garcia-Castellanos of Spain's Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Cientificas (CSIC) in Barcelona.

He and his colleagues calculate that at the height of the flood, water levels rose more than 10 meters and more than 40 centimeters of rock eroded away per day. The model also shows that 100 million cubic meters of water flowed through the channel per second, with water gushing at speeds of 100 kilometers an hour. Rather than a Niagara Falls-esque cascade from the Atlantic into the Mediterranean, the team's results imply a torrent several kilometers wide at a fairly gradual slope.

"It would be an exciting rafting place," Garcia-Castellanos says.

"As a hypothesis it makes sense, though it's still in early stages," says Sanjeev Gupta of Imperial College London. "There's lots more to be done to explore this idea. It's quite exciting, and I think it will get people interested in this topic."
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Although the Mediterranean features in many placid tourist spots around Europe and northern Africa today, it narrowly escaped becoming a desert. The sea separated from the world's oceans 5.6 million years ago and was desiccated by evaporation in a period geologists call the Messinian salinity crisis.

Luckily, 5.3 million years ago water from the Atlantic Ocean found a way back in to the drying seabed through what is now the Strait of Gibraltar between Spain and Morocco. Geologists figured the resulting flood must have been impressive, but their estimates for how long it took have varied wildly, from 10 years to several thousand years.

"The record of the Mediterranean tells us that the transition from the dry, high salinity situation to the normal open water situation we have nowadays was very rapid," Garcia-Castellanos says. "But 'rapid' in geology could mean many tens of thousands of years."

Early models couldn't resolve the flood's timescale because they couldn't tell how the volume of water flowing through the Strait of Gibraltar changed with time, Garcia-Castellanos says. Earlier studies, including work by Gupta, had concluded that England was separated from Europe in a similar cataclysmic flood 450,000 years ago based on the U-shaped valley at the bottom of the Strait of Dover (SN: 7/21/07, p. 35). But because of how long ago the flood that filled the Mediterranean occurred, the geological record of erosion from rushing waters was thought long buried.

But Garcia-Castellanos and colleagues found it, thanks to plans for an underground train. Cores drilled in the seafloor as part of preparations for the Africa-Europe tunnel project, which hopes to run trains under the Strait of Gibraltar from Spain to Morocco, revealed a deep channel filled with loose sediment. Using the drilling data and previously collected seismic data, the researchers determined that the channel is 200 kilometers long, between 6 and 11 kilometers wide, and between 300 and 650 meters deep.

Other geologists who had noticed the channel thought it had formed through erosion by rainwater in a river network, like in the Rhone or Nile rivers. But while those river channels are V-shaped, the new data show that the Strait of Gibraltar channel has the distinctive U-shape of the seafloor beneath the Strait of Dover. This shape is a hint that the strait formed in a torrential flood.

Using equations derived from observations of mountain rivers, the team of researchers modeled how the flood might have progressed: The flood started gradually, but as the sill between the Atlantic and the dry Mediterranean wore down, the rate of water flowing and rock eroding increased exponentially. As more water flowed over the sill, more rock wore away, allowing ever more water to spill in.

The calculations show an upper limit of two years for how long it took to fill the Mediterranean. But Garcia-Castellanos says it could have been as short as a few months. The energy carried in such a flood is comparable to the heat transport along the Gulf Stream in a year, or 4 percent of the kinetic energy of the meteorite impact thought to have killed the dinosaurs.

"I was very satisfied with their explanation, I found it quite exciting," says Philip Gibbard of the University of Cambridge in England. "It's a really important development."

The flood would have had a dramatic effect on local ecosystems, and could even have affected the global climate. The model suggests that global sea level dropped 9.5 meters as a result of the flood. The team points out that a much smaller flood in North America 12,000 years ago has been linked to a worldwide cold snap, and suggests that the Mediterranean flood may have had similarly significant effects.

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Rushing water wore down the sill that separated the Mediterranean from the Atlantic millions of years ago, which allowed more water to pour in and encouraged still more erosion.


Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: The Brain on December 15, 2009, 03:11:49 PM
QuoteAfrica-Europe tunnel project

:bleeding:
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Caliga on December 15, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
I read this thing once about the dry Mediterranean basin that speculated it was like a gigantic Death Valley with daily high temperatures the likes of which have not been seen since--possibly equaling or exceeding 200 F.  :huh:
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: dps on December 15, 2009, 03:19:36 PM
The idea that it took several thousand years never made any sense to me.  I mean, water flows downhill;  once the barrier was breached of course the basin filled rapidly.
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Josquius on December 15, 2009, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: The Brain on December 15, 2009, 03:11:49 PM
QuoteAfrica-Europe tunnel project

:bleeding:
?
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2009, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 15, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
I read this thing once about the dry Mediterranean basin that speculated it was like a gigantic Death Valley with daily high temperatures the likes of which have not been seen since--possibly equaling or exceeding 200 F.  :huh:
What about the rivers that empty into the Med?
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: The Brain on December 15, 2009, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Tyr on December 15, 2009, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: The Brain on December 15, 2009, 03:11:49 PM
QuoteAfrica-Europe tunnel project

:bleeding:
?

The Gunnel? Oh my God it's full of fail!
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Caliga on December 15, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2009, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 15, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
I read this thing once about the dry Mediterranean basin that speculated it was like a gigantic Death Valley with daily high temperatures the likes of which have not been seen since--possibly equaling or exceeding 200 F.  :huh:
What about the rivers that empty into the Med?
*shrug* Don't remember.  Maybe the whole region around it was extremely dry, so there was little to no inflow?
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: KRonn on December 15, 2009, 03:39:31 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2009, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 15, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
I read this thing once about the dry Mediterranean basin that speculated it was like a gigantic Death Valley with daily high temperatures the likes of which have not been seen since--possibly equaling or exceeding 200 F.  :huh:
What about the rivers that empty into the Med?
Yeah, lots of rivers from Europe and at least a few from Africa, the Nile for one. Had to be some water in the basin, probably a very low level though?
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Malthus on December 15, 2009, 03:44:03 PM
It would have been a fucking awesome sight.
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: DGuller on December 15, 2009, 03:44:08 PM
Do we have any significant valleys that are currently below sea level?  Building a canal from the shore to those valleys could be a cheap and easy way to deal with rising sea levels from global warming.
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 15, 2009, 03:53:39 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 15, 2009, 03:44:08 PM
Do we have any significant valleys that are currently below sea level?  Building a canal from the shore to those valleys could be a cheap and easy way to deal with rising sea levels from global warming.

there's the dead sea, the qattara depression, the Turfan Depression, the Netherlands, .... :p
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: crazy canuck on December 15, 2009, 04:04:34 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 15, 2009, 03:44:08 PM
Do we have any significant valleys that are currently below sea level?  Building a canal from the shore to those valleys could be a cheap and easy way to deal with rising sea levels from global warming.

The netherlands would do nicely.  Those greedy bastards keep building dykes while poor islanders are about to be flooded out.
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: lustindarkness on December 15, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
That is a lot of water! if only the rest of the middeleast had been flooded away. <_<
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Malthus on December 15, 2009, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 15, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
That is a lot of water! if only the rest of the middeleast had been flooded away. <_<

You have no idea how troublesome the people living in what is now the bottom of the Med would have been.  :D
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Cecil on December 15, 2009, 06:10:14 PM
How deep is it at the straights anyway?
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Fireblade on December 15, 2009, 06:23:03 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 15, 2009, 03:53:39 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 15, 2009, 03:44:08 PM
Do we have any significant valleys that are currently below sea level?  Building a canal from the shore to those valleys could be a cheap and easy way to deal with rising sea levels from global warming.

there's the dead sea, the qattara depression, the Turfan Depression, the Netherlands, .... :p

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START DIGGING!
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Martinus on December 15, 2009, 06:49:25 PM
No fucking way. All the German tourists would have to start going to my favourite Canaries' spot instead.  :mad:
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on December 15, 2009, 06:53:49 PM
Quote from: Malthus on December 15, 2009, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 15, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
That is a lot of water! if only the rest of the middeleast had been flooded away. <_<

You have no idea how troublesome the people living in what is now the bottom of the Med would have been.  :D

They'd be a cross between Italians, Greeks, and Arabs. *shudder*
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: citizen k on December 15, 2009, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 15, 2009, 06:53:49 PM
Quote from: Malthus on December 15, 2009, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 15, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
That is a lot of water! if only the rest of the middeleast had been flooded away. <_<

You have no idea how troublesome the people living in what is now the bottom of the Med would have been.  :D

They'd be a cross between Italians, Greeks, and Arabs. *shudder*

In other words, Sicilian.
Title: Re: The Med took at most two years to flood--Gibraltar is a bathtub spigot
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 16, 2009, 04:46:36 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 15, 2009, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Tyr on December 15, 2009, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: The Brain on December 15, 2009, 03:11:49 PM
QuoteAfrica-Europe tunnel project

:bleeding:
?

The Gunnel? Oh my God it's full of fail!

Atlantropa then?