If this article stub is true, that's the definition of hell.
QuoteA mother says her son has emerged from what doctors thought was a vegetative state to say he was fully conscious for 23 years but could not respond because he was paralyzed.
Rom Houben had a car crash in 1983 and doctors thought he had sunk into an apparent coma. Still, his family continued to believe their son was conscious and had sought further medical advice.
Dr. Audrey Vanhaudenhuyse said Houben's mother finally met Belgian expert Steven Laureys, who realized that the medical diagnosis for her son was wrong. Laureys then taught Houben how to communicate through a special keyboard.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hgsMsAOMKbccOJb8x-r1pkC1PPCQD9C5B9T00
Wow... amazed he's not utterly insane.
So has he gone nuts?
Kinda like:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.computer-bild.de%2Fimgs%2F100611156_fa5f3da828.jpg&hash=8b4db8e532078719a02dd11b69e0556b9a77c24c)
Quote from: garbon on November 23, 2009, 01:30:03 PM
If this article stub is true, that's the definition of hell.
QuoteA mother says her son has emerged from what doctors thought was a vegetative state to say he was fully conscious for 23 years but could not respond because he was paralyzed.
Rom Houben had a car crash in 1983 and doctors thought he had sunk into an apparent coma. Still, his family continued to believe their son was conscious and had sought further medical advice.
Dr. Audrey Vanhaudenhuyse said Houben's mother finally met Belgian expert Steven Laureys, who realized that the medical diagnosis for her son was wrong. Laureys then taught Houben how to communicate through a special keyboard.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hgsMsAOMKbccOJb8x-r1pkC1PPCQD9C5B9T00
There was an interview in Spiegel. It was not until the doctors ran a CT recently that they realized he was wide awake.
Dragon Age references, already!
There was an episode of House about that condition.
Quote from: Syt on November 23, 2009, 02:04:42 PM
Kinda like:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.computer-bild.de%2Fimgs%2F100611156_fa5f3da828.jpg&hash=8b4db8e532078719a02dd11b69e0556b9a77c24c)
Watch out for the anti-spoilertards!!!!!11
:P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 23, 2009, 02:29:30 PM
Watch out for the anti-spoilertards!!!!!11
:P
I am an antispoilertard!
Quote from: Syt on November 23, 2009, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 23, 2009, 01:30:03 PM
If this article stub is true, that's the definition of hell.
QuoteA mother says her son has emerged from what doctors thought was a vegetative state to say he was fully conscious for 23 years but could not respond because he was paralyzed.
Rom Houben had a car crash in 1983 and doctors thought he had sunk into an apparent coma. Still, his family continued to believe their son was conscious and had sought further medical advice.
Dr. Audrey Vanhaudenhuyse said Houben's mother finally met Belgian expert Steven Laureys, who realized that the medical diagnosis for her son was wrong. Laureys then taught Houben how to communicate through a special keyboard.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hgsMsAOMKbccOJb8x-r1pkC1PPCQD9C5B9T00
There was an interview in Spiegel. It was not until the doctors ran a CT recently that they realized he was wide awake.
Wow... that is amazing.
Quote from: Syt on November 23, 2009, 02:04:42 PM
Kinda like:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.computer-bild.de%2Fimgs%2F100611156_fa5f3da828.jpg&hash=8b4db8e532078719a02dd11b69e0556b9a77c24c)
OMFG ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID FOR POSTING A SPOILER LIKE THIS?!?!?!?!
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 23, 2009, 02:26:21 PM
Dragon Age references, already!
There was an episode of House about that condition.
There is a medical condition that involves making references to Dragon Age? :o
Chronodracospoilertardiasis.
Johnny Got His Gun wants its references too.
Goddamn nerds.
"Locked in syndrome"
I'd rather die, methinks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream)
Edit: http://web.archive.org/web/20070227202043/http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/ellison/ellison1.html (full story)
Surprised he is sane.
Quote from: dps on November 23, 2009, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 23, 2009, 04:53:46 PM
Surprised he is sane.
He's obviously not Languish material.
If I was in a "non-coma" - I'd want an RSS feed directly into my brain from Languish, to rule out any chance of sanity.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 23, 2009, 03:52:59 PM
Johnny Got His Gun wants its references too.
Goddamn nerds.
No one wants to reference that. :x
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 23, 2009, 03:52:59 PM
Johnny Got His Gun wants its references too.
Goddamn nerds.
No shit. I bet he's a Metallica fan.
Meh, 23 years in a coma condition but still aware of everything is no big deal. My Dad's been doing it for 41 years of marriage.
I have no mouth, and I must scream indeed.
By definition, you wish you could die, but you can't. :ph34r:
Apparently James Randi is saying this is a hoax and they guy isn't really conscious at all... I saw a link to an article on his website but can't get it to load for some reason. ^_^
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/783-this-cruel-farce-has-to-stop.html (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/783-this-cruel-farce-has-to-stop.html)
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2009, 10:22:08 AM
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/783-this-cruel-farce-has-to-stop.html (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/783-this-cruel-farce-has-to-stop.html)
Link doesn't work.
I couldn't get Cal's to work but found the same link on another forum and eventually it loaded for me.
QuoteThis Cruel Farce Has To Stop
Written by James Randi
Monday, 23 November 2009 20:42
I'm enraged. Several perceptive persons have sent me to msnbc.com - where we can see Dr. Nancy Snyderman relating a story. It's a heartrender, described thus by Dr. Snyderman:
A mother [in Belgium] says her son has emerged from what doctors thought was a vegetative state to say he was fully conscious for 23 years but could not respond because he was paralyzed.
No, that is not what the man said, Dr. Snyderman. That's what an incompetent layperson typed for him! I ask you to first go to http://tinyurl.com/y8lku48, and note the section of the video from 12 to 35 seconds, then come back here.
This is yet another obvious example of abysmal, practiced, purposeful ignorance by medical personnel - including Dr. Snyderman and her staff who prepared this piece. I cannot understand how anyone, professional medical person or layman, can continue to believe that the farce known as "Facilitated Communication" [FC] represents anything other than a fantasy that was begun back in 1977, when an Australian woman named Rosemary Crossley came up with the idea that autistic persons could express their thoughts via a keyboard when their hand was "supported" by what she called a "facilitator." In 1989, Douglas Biklen, a sociologist and professor of special education at Syracuse University, eagerly took up her cause, and as a result vast sums were donated to SU by friends and family members of autism victims - money that was simply wasted in futile "research."
I personally investigated this matter. In March of 1992 I was contacted by Dr. Anne M. Donnellan, of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who asked if I would be willing to participate in an investigation of FC as used with autistic children. I was already familiar with FC, and suggested to her that I felt the researchers were perhaps under the influence of the Clever Hans Effect [CHE], also known as the "ideomotor effect," in which the trainer - the facilitator in this case - was unconsciously transmitting the information to the autistic child. This possibility was emphatically denied by Dr. Donnellan, and I was assured that every care had been taken to ensure that the CHE was not in operation. The Clever Hans Effect is notorious in psychology. Early in the last century, a horse named Clever Hans - in German, der Kluge Hans - was claimed to have been able to perform arithmetic and other simple intellectual tasks. In 1907, psychologist Oskar Pfungst showed conclusively that the horse was not actually performing these mental tasks, but was reacting to cues provided by his trainer.
My tests of autistic children at the University of Wisconsin-Madison clearly showed that FC was simply a tragic farce. My findings were totally ignored. The full account of this matter will be discussed in detail in my next book, A Magician in the Laboratory.
The "facilitated communication" process consists of the "facilitator" actually holding the hand of the subject over the keyboard, moving the hand to the key, then drawing the hand back from the keyboard! This very intimate participatory action lends itself very easily to transferring the intended information to the computer screen. In the video you have just viewed, it is very evident that (a) the "facilitator" is looking directly at the keyboard and the screen, and (b) is moving the subject's hand. The video editing is also biased, giving angles that line up the head of the subject with the screen, as if the subject were watching the screen.
This man in the msnbc.com piece is not seeing the screen. He is not aware of what is going on. He is an unknowing victim of these charlatans. A simple test - such as that done on October 19th, 1993, in a Frontline (PBS) documentary highlighting these concerns, "Prisoners of Silence," would prove that FC is a total fraud. This powerful and comprehensive program proved that FC was a delusion.
Dr. Snyderman, how did this get by you? The evidence is right there on the screen! Others have solved this fraud. The Association for Behavior Analysis International (ABAI), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and the American Association on Mental Retardation, have no doubts about this. ABAI calls FC a "discredited technique" and warns that "its use is unwarranted and unethical." The Association for Science in Autism Treatment reviewed the research and position statements and concluded that the messages typed were controlled by the facilitator, not by the individual with autism, and that FC did not improve language skills.
We critics of FC question why people can apparently give speeches in public - via a keyboard and a "facilitator" - and go to college - similarly "assisted" - yet they cannot answer a series of simple questions under controlled conditions! Psychologist Daniel Wegner, professor of psychology at Harvard University and a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science has stated that facilitated communication is a striking example of the ideomotor effect, and tests of FC show that it is a complete fraud, farce, and delusion!
Please, Dr. Snyderman, may we hear from you, in light of what appears here?
Aha! When I first saw the initial piece I wondered if something like Facilitated Communication was being used. Turns out it is facilitated communication.
Wasn't there a Law & Order episode about this?
Funny, sometimes my students have other people's hands on the keyboard when they type something and they too see nothing wrong with this.
I have to confess. I use facilitated communication. :blush:
Quote from: The Brain on November 24, 2009, 01:23:45 PM
I have to confess. I use facilitated communication. :blush:
No, that's facile communication.
Quote from: sbr on November 24, 2009, 11:01:32 AM
I couldn't get Cal's to work but found the same link on another forum and eventually it loaded for me.
QuoteThis Cruel Farce Has To Stop
Written by James Randi
Monday, 23 November 2009 20:42
I'm enraged. Several perceptive persons have sent me to msnbc.com - where we can see Dr. Nancy Snyderman relating a story. It's a heartrender, described thus by Dr. Snyderman:
A mother [in Belgium] says her son has emerged from what doctors thought was a vegetative state to say he was fully conscious for 23 years but could not respond because he was paralyzed.
No, that is not what the man said, Dr. Snyderman. That's what an incompetent layperson typed for him! I ask you to first go to http://tinyurl.com/y8lku48, and note the section of the video from 12 to 35 seconds, then come back here.
This is yet another obvious example of abysmal, practiced, purposeful ignorance by medical personnel - including Dr. Snyderman and her staff who prepared this piece. I cannot understand how anyone, professional medical person or layman, can continue to believe that the farce known as "Facilitated Communication" [FC] represents anything other than a fantasy that was begun back in 1977, when an Australian woman named Rosemary Crossley came up with the idea that autistic persons could express their thoughts via a keyboard when their hand was "supported" by what she called a "facilitator." In 1989, Douglas Biklen, a sociologist and professor of special education at Syracuse University, eagerly took up her cause, and as a result vast sums were donated to SU by friends and family members of autism victims - money that was simply wasted in futile "research."
I personally investigated this matter. In March of 1992 I was contacted by Dr. Anne M. Donnellan, of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who asked if I would be willing to participate in an investigation of FC as used with autistic children. I was already familiar with FC, and suggested to her that I felt the researchers were perhaps under the influence of the Clever Hans Effect [CHE], also known as the "ideomotor effect," in which the trainer - the facilitator in this case - was unconsciously transmitting the information to the autistic child. This possibility was emphatically denied by Dr. Donnellan, and I was assured that every care had been taken to ensure that the CHE was not in operation. The Clever Hans Effect is notorious in psychology. Early in the last century, a horse named Clever Hans - in German, der Kluge Hans - was claimed to have been able to perform arithmetic and other simple intellectual tasks. In 1907, psychologist Oskar Pfungst showed conclusively that the horse was not actually performing these mental tasks, but was reacting to cues provided by his trainer.
My tests of autistic children at the University of Wisconsin-Madison clearly showed that FC was simply a tragic farce. My findings were totally ignored. The full account of this matter will be discussed in detail in my next book, A Magician in the Laboratory.
The "facilitated communication" process consists of the "facilitator" actually holding the hand of the subject over the keyboard, moving the hand to the key, then drawing the hand back from the keyboard! This very intimate participatory action lends itself very easily to transferring the intended information to the computer screen. In the video you have just viewed, it is very evident that (a) the "facilitator" is looking directly at the keyboard and the screen, and (b) is moving the subject's hand. The video editing is also biased, giving angles that line up the head of the subject with the screen, as if the subject were watching the screen.
This man in the msnbc.com piece is not seeing the screen. He is not aware of what is going on. He is an unknowing victim of these charlatans. A simple test - such as that done on October 19th, 1993, in a Frontline (PBS) documentary highlighting these concerns, "Prisoners of Silence," would prove that FC is a total fraud. This powerful and comprehensive program proved that FC was a delusion.
Dr. Snyderman, how did this get by you? The evidence is right there on the screen! Others have solved this fraud. The Association for Behavior Analysis International (ABAI), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and the American Association on Mental Retardation, have no doubts about this. ABAI calls FC a "discredited technique" and warns that "its use is unwarranted and unethical." The Association for Science in Autism Treatment reviewed the research and position statements and concluded that the messages typed were controlled by the facilitator, not by the individual with autism, and that FC did not improve language skills.
We critics of FC question why people can apparently give speeches in public - via a keyboard and a "facilitator" - and go to college - similarly "assisted" - yet they cannot answer a series of simple questions under controlled conditions! Psychologist Daniel Wegner, professor of psychology at Harvard University and a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science has stated that facilitated communication is a striking example of the ideomotor effect, and tests of FC show that it is a complete fraud, farce, and delusion!
Please, Dr. Snyderman, may we hear from you, in light of what appears here?
Hitler never should have made that Horse a field marshal.
Darkness
Imprisoning Me
All That I See
Absolute Horror
I Cannot Live
I Cannot Die
Trapped in Myself
Body My Holding Cell
Car Crash
Has Taken My Sight
Taken My Speech
Taken My Hearing
Taken My Arms
Taken My Legs
Taken My Soul
Left Me with Life in Hell
Siege actually posted recognizable lyrics!
I really loved Metallica before they sucked. :cry: