Wow, this is gonna be big. I'm surprised though, I thought most of the evidence the Feds had wouldn't be admissible because of the nature of the interrogation.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33905323/ns/us_news-security/
QuoteAP source: 9/11 suspects will be tried in NYC
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 4 other Gitmo detainees set for civilian court
breaking news
updated 6:07 a.m. ET Nov. 13, 2009
WASHINGTON - Accused Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay detainees will be sent to New York to face trial in a civilian federal court, an Obama administration official told The Associated Press on Friday.
The official said that Attorney General Eric Holder is scheduled to announce the decision later Friday morning.
The official was not authorized to discuss the decision before the announcement and was speaking on condition of anonymity.
Holder also plans to announce that the major suspect in the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, will face justice before a military commission, as will a handful of other detainees to be identified at the same announcement, the official said.
This is a breaking news story. Please check for updates.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press
I thought they found a laptop or something when they first arrested him that contained incriminating evidence?
Didn't he freely admit that he was the mastermind of the attack?
Good luck finding a jury that does not already have an opinion on the case...
He really should be tried by a military court and hanged. That way, he wouldn't have to be subjected to the monstrous US justice system.
Quote from: Neil on November 13, 2009, 07:50:08 AM
He really should be tried by a military court and hanged. That way, he wouldn't have to be subjected to the monstrous US justice system.
I wonder where he'll get to live during his probation after he's done his time.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 07:55:30 AM
Quote from: Neil on November 13, 2009, 07:50:08 AM
He really should be tried by a military court and hanged. That way, he wouldn't have to be subjected to the monstrous US justice system.
I wonder where he'll get to live during his probation after he's done his time.
Maybe you can do it the European way, and send them off to a Swedish castle to live in decadent opulence and then release them twenty years early.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 07:55:30 AM
Quote from: Neil on November 13, 2009, 07:50:08 AM
He really should be tried by a military court and hanged. That way, he wouldn't have to be subjected to the monstrous US justice system.
I wonder where he'll get to live during his probation after he's done his time.
If he was a kiddie pervert, he could be held as a threat to the community.
Quote from: Neil on November 13, 2009, 07:50:08 AM
He really should be tried by a military court and hanged. That way, he wouldn't have to be subjected to the monstrous US justice system.
The military justice system is part of the US justice system.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 13, 2009, 10:12:50 AM
Quote from: Neil on November 13, 2009, 07:50:08 AM
He really should be tried by a military court and hanged. That way, he wouldn't have to be subjected to the monstrous US justice system.
The military justice system is part of the US justice system.
Yeah, I wonder how things got botched enough so that a military tribunal wasn't able to be used. I think the errors and miscues there are the fault of the Bush admin. And I do fear this may turn into an odd show trial, to liven the hearts and minds of extremists types everywhere.
Quote from: KRonn on November 13, 2009, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 13, 2009, 10:12:50 AM
Quote from: Neil on November 13, 2009, 07:50:08 AM
He really should be tried by a military court and hanged. That way, he wouldn't have to be subjected to the monstrous US justice system.
The military justice system is part of the US justice system.
Yeah, I wonder how things got botched enough so that a military tribunal wasn't able to be used.
Politics.
Quote from: KRonn on November 13, 2009, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 13, 2009, 10:12:50 AM
Quote from: Neil on November 13, 2009, 07:50:08 AM
He really should be tried by a military court and hanged. That way, he wouldn't have to be subjected to the monstrous US justice system.
The military justice system is part of the US justice system.
Yeah, I wonder how things got botched enough so that a military tribunal wasn't able to be used. I think the errors and miscues there are the fault of the Bush admin. And I do fear this may turn into an odd show trial, to liven the hearts and minds of extremists types everywhere.
I think you are right at that last part. The ideologues will be lining up to sound off about this.
I guess history does repeat itself.
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I'm only surprised Holder didn't do this sooner.
Quote from: KRonn on November 13, 2009, 10:40:08 AM
Yeah, I wonder how things got botched enough so that a military tribunal wasn't able to be used. I think the errors and miscues there are the fault of the Bush admin. And I do fear this may turn into an odd show trial, to liven the hearts and minds of extremists types everywhere.
I wouldn't be so pessimsitic - this may be a deliberate decision that the evidence is so strong there is nothing to lose by using a regular court. As derspiess suggests, there is good reason to believe the federal criminal system is more than capable of dealing with a case like this.
I prefer smothering them all with a pillow.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 13, 2009, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: KRonn on November 13, 2009, 10:40:08 AM
Yeah, I wonder how things got botched enough so that a military tribunal wasn't able to be used. I think the errors and miscues there are the fault of the Bush admin. And I do fear this may turn into an odd show trial, to liven the hearts and minds of extremists types everywhere.
I wouldn't be so pessimsitic - this may be a deliberate decision that the evidence is so strong there is nothing to lose by using a regular court. As derspiess suggests, there is good reason to believe the federal criminal system is more than capable of dealing with a case like this.
I sure hope you're right but will have my doubts until we find out more.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 07:55:30 AM
I wonder where he'll get to live during his probation after he's done his time.
Probation? He'll probably get time served. :lol:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 13, 2009, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: KRonn on November 13, 2009, 10:40:08 AM
Yeah, I wonder how things got botched enough so that a military tribunal wasn't able to be used. I think the errors and miscues there are the fault of the Bush admin. And I do fear this may turn into an odd show trial, to liven the hearts and minds of extremists types everywhere.
I wouldn't be so pessimsitic - this may be a deliberate decision that the evidence is so strong there is nothing to lose by using a regular court. As derspiess suggests, there is good reason to believe the federal criminal system is more than capable of dealing with a case like this.
:D Okay that was pretty good. But seriously, I'm sure if convicted, KSM will end up as isolated & neutralized as the other dude.
Quote from: Strix on November 13, 2009, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 07:55:30 AM
I wonder where he'll get to live during his probation after he's done his time.
Probation? He'll probably get time served. :lol:
:lol: I laugh, but plan to weep.
Quote from: Strix on November 13, 2009, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 07:55:30 AM
I wonder where he'll get to live during his probation after he's done his time.
Probation? He'll probably get time served. :lol:
While that could argueable be true in Canada, but in the US? :blink:
Quote from: Barrister on November 13, 2009, 11:42:11 PM
While that could argueable be true in Canada, but in the US? :blink:
In the US, the concept of "time served" exists. Did you, a lawyer, not know this? :blink:
Can someone tell me why people are angry they're going to get a civilian trial?
So a judge who isn't in the military hears their case before they're convicted. What's the difference?
We still remember OJ. I'd say he has a 50-50 chance to walk.
Quote from: Faeelin on November 14, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
Can someone tell me why people are angry they're going to get a civilian trial?
Because so much of the evidence might be considered tainted, perhaps?
Confessions and subsequent evidence as a result of 183 waterboardings have a tendency to fall under that whole Fourth Amendment thing.
Quote from: The Brain on November 14, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
We still remember OJ. I'd say he has a 50-50 chance to walk.
Federal court in SDNY != SoCal state court.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 14, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on November 14, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
Can someone tell me why people are angry they're going to get a civilian trial?
Because so much of the evidence might be considered tainted, perhaps?
Is it possible that the AG has considered this fact and concluded that there is still more than enough non-tainted evidence to proceed?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 14, 2009, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 14, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on November 14, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
Can someone tell me why people are angry they're going to get a civilian trial?
Because so much of the evidence might be considered tainted, perhaps?
Is it possible that the AG has considered this fact and concluded that there is still more than enough non-tainted evidence to proceed?
They say they do, but I dunno. The Fourth Amendment is a pretty powerful defense.
This was the shaggy guy, right? He was gross, hang him.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 14, 2009, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 14, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on November 14, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
Can someone tell me why people are angry they're going to get a civilian trial?
Because so much of the evidence might be considered tainted, perhaps?
Is it possible that the AG has considered this fact and concluded that there is still more than enough non-tainted evidence to proceed?
Or maybe Holder plans to bring in the black panthers to intimidate the jury into giving the verdict he wants (whichever one that is).