QuoteNorth, South Korean ships exchange gunfire
NAVAL CLASH FIRST IN 7 YEARS
Tensions rise ahead of Obama visit to region
By Blaine Harden
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, November 11, 2009
TOKYO -- A brief naval skirmish erupted Tuesday between North and South Korea, raising tension in Northeast Asia as President Obama prepares this week for a visit to the region.
The North and the South blamed each other for the exchange of gunfire -- the first such clash in seven years. South Korean officials said a badly damaged North Korean patrol ship retreated in flames after crossing into South Korean waters.
It was not clear whether there were any injuries or deaths aboard the North Korean vessel. North Korea issued a statement that blamed the South for "grave armed provocation," saying that ships from South Korea crossed into the North's territory.
There were no reports of South Korean casualties.
North Korea has complained for decades about the sea border, known as the Northern Limit Line, which was drawn by the U.S. military at the end of the Korean War in 1953. There have been two previous skirmishes in the region, with North Korea's aging naval ships taking a pounding from South Korea's far more modern and better-armed vessels.
The Tuesday incident appeared unlikely to break the momentum of recent moves by North Korea to improve relations with the South and the United States, which had further deteriorated this year after the North tested a nuclear device, launched a flurry of missiles and repeatedly threatened "all-out war."
Still, in Washington, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs warned North Korea that "we hope that there will be no further actions in the Yellow Sea that could be seen as an escalation."
On Monday, administration officials said Obama has decided to send a special envoy to Pyongyang for direct talks on the North's nuclear weapons program.
No date has been set, but it would be the first one-on-one talks since Obama took office in January.
Obama is expected to visit Seoul next week, as part of a 10-day Asia trip.
South Korean Defense Minister Kim Tae-young told lawmakers in Seoul on Tuesday that "no additional moves" by the North Korean military were detected after the naval skirmish.
Earlier clashes along the western sea border, even when they resulted in many casualties on the North Korean side, have not had a long-term destabilizing effect on North-South relations.
Those relations have improved markedly since August, when North Korea seemed to shift from a pattern of confrontation to one of consultation with the South about economic programs. Visits between families long separated by the Korean War have resumed, and South Korea has said it would restart a limited program of food aid for the North.
Analysts in Seoul told reporters that North Korea may have started the skirmish to ensure that Obama does not ignore Pyongyang during his first visit to the region as president.
According to the South Korean military, a North Korean patrol boat crossed the sea border shortly before noon, ignored several warning shots from nearby South Korean naval vessels and fired its guns at a patrol boat from the South.
Ships from the two countries were about two miles apart when they exchanged fire, said Rear Adm. Lee Ki-shik, according to Yonhap, a South Korean news agency.
The North's official Korean Central News Agency said that the South sent a "group of warships" across the border to stage an attack but that one of the North's patrol boats "lost no time to deal a prompt retaliatory blow at the provokers."
OH NOES THE BALLOON'S GOING UP
Get the Alt-His maps out! We need to see what the future would look like if Poland invade South Korea in support of their commie brethren.
Will Timmy be: conscripted!
I AM STOCKING MY BOMB SHELTER
Wait, you're stroking your what now?
Quote from: PDH on November 11, 2009, 09:07:19 AM
Wait, you're stroking your what now?
I am stacking sandbags. I watched
the Day After.
Let me guess, a naval battle between South Korean, state of the art patrol boats with radar guided 76mm Oto Melara guns vs. North Korean "do it you self", gun boats with disused T-34 Tank turret bolted to front deck...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 11, 2009, 11:04:01 AM
Let me guess, a naval battle between South Korean, state of the art patrol boats with radar guided 76mm Oto Melara guns vs. North Korean "do it you self", gun boats with disused T-34 Tank turret bolted to front deck...
Kind of amazed that the NK sailors actually follow those kinds of orders.
Well, dying with shrapnel in your guts is faster than starving to death in a concentration camp.
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 11, 2009, 11:04:01 AM
Let me guess, a naval battle between South Korean, state of the art patrol boats with radar guided 76mm Oto Melara guns vs. North Korean "do it you self", gun boats with disused T-34 Tank turret bolted to front deck...
Ok so it turns out that the South Korean patrol boat have didnt 76mm Oto Melara gun...
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But hey, a 20mm Vulcan gun isnt bad either when you need to deal with North Korean zombie sailors... ;)
The last time they had a naval battle it involved ramming, shotguns and hand grenades. The spirit of the galley lives on.
I thought NK was still using the turtle boats.
Watching Asia Countdown on Bloomberg, and the NKs just announced the South will pay for thier provocation!!
I am sure all in SK are wetting their pants. <_<
In order to play a bit of devil's advocate, I must say that seeing how the maritime border is drawn the North Coreans got the way shorter stick.
What is this "North" Korea you speak of? It's on none of the maps I've seen here.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 05:06:06 AM
What is this "North" Korea you speak of? It's on none of the maps I've seen here.
What does it have then?
Quote from: Tyr on November 12, 2009, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 05:06:06 AM
What is this "North" Korea you speak of? It's on none of the maps I've seen here.
What does it have then?
I guess his maps only show the glorious "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"...
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:P
Quote from: Tyr on November 12, 2009, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 05:06:06 AM
What is this "North" Korea you speak of? It's on none of the maps I've seen here.
What does it have then?
The maps here show the whole peninsula as part of the Republic of Korea. Pyongyang is just another Korean city.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: Tyr on November 12, 2009, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 05:06:06 AM
What is this "North" Korea you speak of? It's on none of the maps I've seen here.
What does it have then?
The maps here show the whole peninsula as part of the Republic of Korea. Pyongyang is just another Korean city.
What are they doing, American style "geography" classes?? :huh:
Quote from: KRonn on November 12, 2009, 10:19:32 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: Tyr on November 12, 2009, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 05:06:06 AM
What is this "North" Korea you speak of? It's on none of the maps I've seen here.
What does it have then?
The maps here show the whole peninsula as part of the Republic of Korea. Pyongyang is just another Korean city.
What are they doing, American style "geography" classes?? :huh:
I assume it's because they don't recognize the North's legitimicy.
South Korea still appoints governors for the provinces in the North. At least they did when I was there.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 12, 2009, 08:09:54 PM
South Korea still appoints governors for the provinces in the North. At least they did when I was there.
I want one of those jobs.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: Tyr on November 12, 2009, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 05:06:06 AM
What is this "North" Korea you speak of? It's on none of the maps I've seen here.
What does it have then?
The maps here show the whole peninsula as part of the Republic of Korea. Pyongyang is just another Korean city.
They do have the DMZ marked out as a dotted line, at least.
And many maps just have the southern half of the penninsula.
Still, it's amusing. You'll also note every map takes pains to show Dokdo island and label it as Korean. :lol:
Quote from: katmai on November 11, 2009, 09:47:32 PM
I thought NK was still using the turtle boats.
I'd defect if that was true. Turtle boats are awesome.
Quote from: Tyr on November 12, 2009, 08:14:10 PM
I want one of those jobs.
Opportunities for graft are very limited.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on November 12, 2009, 08:35:44 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: Tyr on November 12, 2009, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2009, 05:06:06 AM
What is this "North" Korea you speak of? It's on none of the maps I've seen here.
What does it have then?
The maps here show the whole peninsula as part of the Republic of Korea. Pyongyang is just another Korean city.
They do have the DMZ marked out as a dotted line, at least.
Not on the map in my room, and it's world map 4-5 meters across
Really? Most of the maps I've seen have it. My world map in the English room has N. Korea a different color, but it's just labeled "Korea". The Sea of Japan is, naturally, labelled "East Sea".
Evidently you're in a school full of right-wing nationalists. :P
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 12, 2009, 08:37:16 PM
Quote from: Tyr on November 12, 2009, 08:14:10 PM
I want one of those jobs.
Opportunities for graft are very limited.
But you don't have to do any work at all. Perfect.
Who gets these jobs? I'd assume they're civil servants who also have a proper job to do?- those in charge of relations with N.Korea or just randomers?
Quote from: Tyr on November 12, 2009, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 12, 2009, 08:09:54 PM
South Korea still appoints governors for the provinces in the North. At least they did when I was there.
I want one of those jobs.
No shit. Can you just imagine the fun with paperwork you could have?