December 9, 1594 - November 6, 1632
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I had a rememberance pastry. :cry:
A great defender of German liberties.
Couldn't you have found a less dorky picture?
Say what you will about Gustavus Adolphus, but he killed lots of Swedes. :cheers:
1632 is a awesome book.
Quote from: Tyr on November 06, 2009, 12:29:24 PM
1632 is a awesome book.
:bleeding:
I don't see the big deal about the guy. "Woo, I died gloroiusly in battle!"
Quote from: Valmy on November 06, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
A great defender of German liberties.
:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.
He killed Papists, Poles, Russians and Austrians. How can one not approve.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 06, 2009, 12:23:31 PM
Couldn't you have found a less dorky picture?
He had a pretty dorky look about him.
Quote from: Viking on November 06, 2009, 01:36:23 PM
He killed Papists, Poles, Russians and Austrians. How can one not approve.
So did the Muslims.
Quote from: Bluebook on November 06, 2009, 01:31:43 PM
One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.
Probably nothing positive. He had panache as a commander of soldiers, but he was no Oxenstierna.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 06, 2009, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Viking on November 06, 2009, 01:36:23 PM
He killed Papists, Poles, Russians and Austrians. How can one not approve.
So did the Muslims.
Nobody can be all evil, not even the muslims.
Quote from: Bluebook on November 06, 2009, 01:31:43 PM
One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.
suckered you into a 100 year war trying to conquer Vienna and become HRE?
he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.
Quote from: saskganesh on November 06, 2009, 02:14:29 PM
he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.
Or Alexander the Great?
Quote from: Viking on November 06, 2009, 01:36:23 PM
He killed Papists, Poles, Russians and Austrians. How can one not approve.
He wanted to build a Swedish Baltic Empire. Which is a bad idea to begin with. It would be better even to give it all to the Finns.
Quote from: saskganesh on November 06, 2009, 02:14:29 PM
Quote from: Bluebook on November 06, 2009, 01:31:43 PM
One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.
suckered you into a 100 year war trying to conquer Vienna and become HRE?
he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.
Nah, that was his nephew, Charles X.
(what had happened if he hadn't ignored his own health (apparently he ignored others...) is another interesting what if?)
As for Minskys comment, Gustavus Adolphus was an extremeley able king, and that included appointing extremely able servants of the state. Granted, the framework for reform was already set when the King fell on the field of glory, fog and gore.
Quote from: Syt on November 06, 2009, 12:40:34 PM
:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
Why do you think freedom is funny?
Quote from: Gambrinus on November 06, 2009, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on November 06, 2009, 02:14:29 PM
Quote from: Bluebook on November 06, 2009, 01:31:43 PM
One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.
suckered you into a 100 year war trying to conquer Vienna and become HRE?
he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.
Nah, that was his nephew, Charles X.
(what had happened if he hadn't ignored his own health (apparently he ignored others...) is another interesting what if?)
As for Minskys comment, Gustavus Adolphus was an extremeley able king, and that included appointing extremely able servants of the state. Granted, the framework for reform was already set when the King fell on the field of glory, fog and gore.
Yeah, but what made Adolphus think that getting involved in the 30 Years War was a tremendously good idea?
Quote from: Malthus on November 06, 2009, 03:20:17 PM
Yeah, but what made Adolphus think that getting involved in the 30 Years War was a tremendously good idea?
Establishing IKEA stores in Germany.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2009, 03:21:27 PM
Quote from: Malthus on November 06, 2009, 03:20:17 PM
Yeah, but what made Adolphus think that getting involved in the 30 Years War was a tremendously good idea?
Establishing IKEA stores in Germany.
Raping and pillaging isn't what they teach as good customer relations in marketing class these days. More's the pity. :(
Quote from: Malthus on November 06, 2009, 03:20:17 PM
Quote from: Gambrinus on November 06, 2009, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on November 06, 2009, 02:14:29 PM
Quote from: Bluebook on November 06, 2009, 01:31:43 PM
One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.
suckered you into a 100 year war trying to conquer Vienna and become HRE?
he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.
Nah, that was his nephew, Charles X.
(what had happened if he hadn't ignored his own health (apparently he ignored others...) is another interesting what if?)
As for Minskys comment, Gustavus Adolphus was an extremeley able king, and that included appointing extremely able servants of the state. Granted, the framework for reform was already set when the King fell on the field of glory, fog and gore.
Yeah, but what made Adolphus think that getting involved in the 30 Years War was a tremendously good idea?
That's very debated to this day and one prominent essay subject in History classes at the University.
For himself: power, glory and defending the faith I guess (yeah, I know, he allied with France, but they then weren't interested in bashing protestants, they were interested in bashing the Emperor, so it suited his causes). For the rest: Power to the budding state, glory and profit to the upper classes, spreading the faith. It was not at all certain that the campaign would be victorious and it wasn't an easy decision for the four estates to make.
Quote from: Malthus on November 06, 2009, 03:20:17 PM
Quote from: Gambrinus on November 06, 2009, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on November 06, 2009, 02:14:29 PM
Quote from: Bluebook on November 06, 2009, 01:31:43 PM
One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.
suckered you into a 100 year war trying to conquer Vienna and become HRE?
he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.
Nah, that was his nephew, Charles X.
(what had happened if he hadn't ignored his own health (apparently he ignored others...) is another interesting what if?)
As for Minskys comment, Gustavus Adolphus was an extremeley able king, and that included appointing extremely able servants of the state. Granted, the framework for reform was already set when the King fell on the field of glory, fog and gore.
Yeah, but what made Adolphus think that getting involved in the 30 Years War was a tremendously good idea?
Hindsight.
I think it's been established that the way he died was foolish.