Fun for the whole family!
Father arrested for incest (http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_355235.html)
QuoteROME - NEWS reports say Italian police have arrested a man and his son for allegedly sexually abusing their respective daughters over three decades on the outskirts of Turin.
Italy's Rai state TV and private broadcaster Sky say the 63-year-old man is accused of abusing his daughter for 25 years, starting when she was nine.
The reports cite prosecutors as saying they believe the man's 41-year-old son also abused his sister and then later his own four daughters, who are aged between 6 and 20.
Rai says police were alerted to the case by the initial victim.
No one was immediately available at police headquarters in the northern Italian city late o Thursday. -- AP
Well, the chance of being abused by a relative is, of course, much higher than the risk of rape by a stranger. However, that seems to play only a very small role in the public debate about kiddiefuckers and protecting children.
Pedos and terrorists today are what Commie Spies were in the 1950s.
:yes:
Because most people get their "facts" from Hollywood movies/the media, they only think of rape in the context of a total stranger, usually a black dude. <_<
Like father like son. :(
There is a trial of a guy who raped his daughter for years happening in Poland right now, too.
Good to see all these god-fearing Austrian, Italian and Polish catholics showing us godless homos what true family values are about.
Quote from: Caliga on March 27, 2009, 10:04:36 AM
:yes:
Because most people get their "facts" from Hollywood movies/the media, they only think of rape in the context of a total stranger, usually a black dude. <_<
The majority of all child abuse cases is perpetrated by some family member (or similar person, e.g. a step father) close to the child.
QuoteWell, the chance of being abused by a relative is, of course, much higher than the risk of rape by a stranger. However, that seems to play only a very small role in the public debate about kiddiefuckers and protecting children.
Because that doesn't buy votes or fit neatly into the nice worldview of the conservatives. It is much easier to target gay teachers and the like, since they are vulnerable and easily isolated scapegoats.
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:54:21 AM
The majority of all child abuse cases is perpetrated by some family member (or similar person, e.g. a step father) close to the child.
I'm pretty sure that's what Cal was talking about. :P
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:54:21 AM
The majority of all child abuse cases is perpetrated by some family member (or similar person, e.g. a step father) close to the child.
Or a child care provider like a day care center employee. There is a weird effect though: once a kid becomes sexually abused they seem to attract sexual predators like a magnet but the first sexual abuse is almost always somebody who was supposed to be caring for the child.
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:56:06 AM
Because that doesn't buy votes or fit neatly into the nice worldview of the conservatives. It is much easier to target gay teachers and the like, since they are vulnerable and easily isolated scapegoats.
Do people still say this about gays? My understanding is the conservatives were concerned that having gays around would 'normalize' homosexuality for kids and would not ensure they properly see it as evil and against nature. I have not heard the hysterics over gays being pedophiles in a long time.
But on the other hand a friend of mine is gay and was accused of child abuse and damn he was in a really shitty spot since the jury would have been conservative locals who would have wanted to string him up.
Fortunately the kid later admited he made it up.
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2009, 10:59:17 AMonce a kid becomes sexually abused they seem to attract sexual predators like a magnet
:unsure:
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:56:06 AM
QuoteWell, the chance of being abused by a relative is, of course, much higher than the risk of rape by a stranger. However, that seems to play only a very small role in the public debate about kiddiefuckers and protecting children.
Because that doesn't buy votes or fit neatly into the nice worldview of the conservatives. It is much easier to target gay teachers and the like, since they are vulnerable and easily isolated scapegoats.
And are actually pedophiles, like all homosexuals.
Quote from: Caliga on March 27, 2009, 11:09:32 AM
:unsure:
I cannot really explain it but I would take the boys out to a water park or something and invariably one of them would get propositioned by another kid. It would blow me away but I was told that they just seem to find each other.
Quote from: Syt on March 27, 2009, 09:57:58 AM
Well, the chance of being abused by a relative is, of course, much higher than the risk of rape by a stranger. However, that seems to play only a very small role in the public debate about kiddiefuckers and protecting children.
There is good reason for this. People who *are* parents will quite naturally underrate the danger *they themselves*, or their own family members, pose to their own children, because what frightens them is dangers over which they have no control, and which are thus the most terrifying.
Similarly, the greatest source of real danger in a trip to the beach is probably the drive there, not sharks in the water - but the unfamiliar (but tiny) danger of shark attack is much more frightening than the ever-familiar (but great) danger of a car accident.
Malthus (as he often does) makes an astute observation. :)
It's the same reason people are so afraid of plane crashes. :contract:
In conclusion, humans are illogical and irrational.
I'm still obliged to ring my mother, on returning from holiday, on that very principle Malthus.
In her view I am perfectly safe in inner-city Preston, but am at great risk whenever I go and stay in a fancy hotel somewhere nice :D
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2009, 11:01:36 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:56:06 AM
Because that doesn't buy votes or fit neatly into the nice worldview of the conservatives. It is much easier to target gay teachers and the like, since they are vulnerable and easily isolated scapegoats.
Do people still say this about gays? My understanding is the conservatives were concerned that having gays around would 'normalize' homosexuality for kids and would not ensure they properly see it as evil and against nature. I have not heard the hysterics over gays being pedophiles in a long time.
At least in Poland they do. The conservative government few years ago tried to ban gays from being teachers. They failed (and probably wouldn't have managed to push this through succesfully, as unconstitutional) but the fact that such rhetorics is still preset is there.
I think various Christian fundamentalist groups in the US also bring up a link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2009, 11:03:38 AM
But on the other hand a friend of mine is gay and was accused of child abuse and damn he was in a really shitty spot since the jury would have been conservative locals who would have wanted to string him up.
Fortunately the kid later admited he made it up.
Yeah. A gay person working in any capacity with kids has always issues like this to deal with. It does not even need to be a situation in which a child accuses the gay dude of molesting - imagine a situation in which a student finds out a teacher is gay (in countries like Poland or rural/conservative America, such a teacher would probably be closeted, at least at work), and begins to flirt with him - no matter how the teacher reacts (i.e. refuses the advances and says nothing; refuses the advances and goes to a principal or to the parents etc.), he is immediately suspect and will probably lose his job, if not face bigger trouble.
It's actually one of the reasons I decided against staying at college and becoming a college tutor. Of course the issue of child molesting wouldn't be there, as most students are adults, but there would still be a lot of room for drama, blackmail and homophobia.
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
I think various Christian fundamentalist groups in the US also bring up a link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
Well some fundies bring up the links between legalizing abortion and the rise in crime...despite the fact there has not been any such rise.
I just do not hear them say it publicly anymore.
A family that plays together stays together :unsure:
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 03:47:53 PM.... he is immediately suspect and will probably lose his job, if not face bigger trouble....
... and you took it out of your ass :rolleyes:
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2009, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
I think various Christian fundamentalist groups in the US also bring up a link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
Well some fundies bring up the links between legalizing abortion and the rise in crime
The writers of the book
Freakonomics argued that legalising abortion was in a large part responsible for the reduction in crime in the 90s.
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
I think various Christian fundamentalist groups in the US also bring up a link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
To be fair, there's a factual link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2009, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
I think various Christian fundamentalist groups in the US also bring up a link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
Well some fundies bring up the links between legalizing abortion and the rise in crime...despite the fact there has not been any such rise.
I just do not hear them say it publicly anymore.
:unsure: I've never heard that before, I have read the opposite though.
Quote from: Caliga on March 27, 2009, 11:27:16 AM
Malthus (as he often does) makes an astute observation. :)
Yeah, but it doesn't fit neatly into the nice worldview that Marty has of conservatives.
Did it happen in Salò? :perv:
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
I think various Christian fundamentalist groups in the US also bring up a link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
I think that was Anita Bryant (God's drag queen) in the 70s. It's not the sort of thing alleged on a regular basis here, or, I think, in the US.
Quote from: szmik on March 27, 2009, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 03:47:53 PM.... he is immediately suspect and will probably lose his job, if not face bigger trouble....
... and you took it out of your ass :rolleyes:
How many openly gay teachers do you know?
Quote from: Martinus on March 28, 2009, 06:00:00 AM
Quote from: szmik on March 27, 2009, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 03:47:53 PM.... he is immediately suspect and will probably lose his job, if not face bigger trouble....
... and you took it out of your ass :rolleyes:
How many openly gay teachers do you know?
Just 1 lesbian teacher in secondary school. She had a problem initially, but she didn't give in and they eventually couldn't fire her. Someone else might give up though.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 27, 2009, 09:47:04 PM
:unsure: I've never heard that before, I have read the opposite though.
You have heard that crime has gone down because of legalized abortion? Pretty sure there is no connection between the two.
Quote from: Valmy on March 28, 2009, 12:22:40 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 27, 2009, 09:47:04 PM
:unsure: I've never heard that before, I have read the opposite though.
You have heard that crime has gone down because of legalized abortion? Pretty sure there is no connection between the two.
The article's argument was that most abortions were carried out by poor/unwed mothers and that their children would have been more likely then the general population to engage in crime. Roe v. Wade was thus credited with the falling crime rate of the 90s since that's when the "missing generation" would have been coming of age. The report was slammed for being racist, the implication being that most of those poor unwed mothers were African-Americans.
Quote from: Valmy on March 28, 2009, 12:22:40 PM
You have heard that crime has gone down because of legalized abortion? Pretty sure there is no connection between the two.
It's one of the arguments made in Freakonomics I think.
Quote from: Valmy on March 28, 2009, 12:22:40 PM
You have heard that crime has gone down because of legalized abortion? Pretty sure there is no connection between the two.
The Freakonomics dude demonstrated a statistical connection between legal abortion and declining crime. He postulated that the decline was due to fewer unwanted children raised poorly or indifferently.
And here's Columbia joining the Axis of Incest.
http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/father-daughter-incest-case-rocks-columbia-2594876
QuoteA Colombian man accused of sexually abusing his daughter from a young age and fathering eight children with her was arrested, causing an outcry over the lack of child protection in the Andean nation.
Arcebio Alvarez, 58, was led away in handcuffs by agents from Colombia's attorney general's office after his daughter told police that he had abused her since she was a young girl.
Alba Nidia Alvarez, 35, from the central town of Mariquita, said an evangelical Christian pastor had convinced her to come forward about the alleged abuse.
"I took this decision according to the will of God, thanks to a pastor who prayed for me many times," she said in an interview with the daily newspaper El Tiempo. "That is what gave me the strength."
Alba Nidia's mother died when she was 5, leaving her under the care of her father, who has been branded "the monster of Mariquita" by the local press. The eight children are between the ages of 1 and 19 and have been placed under state care.
"This was happening day after day and no one did anything to stop it," local child rights activist Gilma Jimenez said.
The case recalls that of Josef Fritzl, the Austrian man sentenced this month to life in a secure mental unit for confining and raping his daughter for 24 years, fathering seven children with her and causing the death of his infant son.
Arcebio Alvarez was due to make his first court appearance later on Saturday.
Child welfare authorities have called for a sentence of life in prison should he be convicted, saying there are hundreds of thousands of child sexual abuse cases in Colombia that are not being prosecuted.