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Title: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Slargos on October 07, 2009, 05:55:42 AM
Illiterate is now considered a hurtful word to describe people who can't read and will be replaced with "short time educated" or more specifically "short time educated newly arrived".

My life just shortened by a couple of days.

I'm going to have to go see a doctor about my blood pressure.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Ed Anger on October 07, 2009, 07:11:56 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 07, 2009, 05:55:42 AM


I'm going to have to go see a doctor about my blood pressure.

Atenolol  works well.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: DisturbedPervert on October 07, 2009, 07:16:18 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 07, 2009, 05:55:42 AM"short time educated newly arrived".

That's probably pretty hard to remember for morons that don't know how to read
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: PDH on October 07, 2009, 07:35:08 AM
Here the euphemism is "College Freshmen."
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: DGuller on October 07, 2009, 07:49:41 AM
Why not just call them "short bus educated"?
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Slargos on October 07, 2009, 07:57:42 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 07, 2009, 07:49:41 AM
Why not just call them "short bus educated"?

The idea is to make them seem less worthless.

Paperless, not illegals or damn dirty border jumpers who threw away their IDs to make it impossible to evict them

Angry dissafected youth
not car burning stone throwing muslim hooligans

Refugees
not Welfaremigrants without actual cause for asylum

The most restrictive asylum policy in Europe when less than 10% of "asylumseekers" were actually returned to their point of origin last year.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: DontSayBanana on October 07, 2009, 08:01:53 AM
:bleeding: I hate PC-backpats. I'm not sure how the situation is in Scandiweenieland, but here, it would tick me off even more, because the problem is even more with high school graduates who are still illiterate/functionally illiterate.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Monoriu on October 07, 2009, 08:26:04 AM
We say "word blind".
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Slargos on October 07, 2009, 08:30:00 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 07, 2009, 08:26:04 AM
We say "word blind".

The phrase exists in swedish aswell but it is the less technical term for dyslexic rather than someone who never learned how to read in the first place.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: KRonn on October 07, 2009, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 07, 2009, 05:55:42 AM
Illiterate is now considered a hurtful word to describe people who can't read and will be replaced with "short time educated" or more specifically "short time educated newly arrived".

My life just shortened by a couple of days.

I'm going to have to go see a doctor about my blood pressure.
May Hod help us!   :huh:

More of this crazy stuff. Um, can I still say crazy? Or even say stuff? Surely someone must be offended.   :unsure:
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Josephus on October 07, 2009, 08:58:44 AM
Here we just call them "Stoopid"
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: The Brain on October 07, 2009, 12:10:13 PM
I don't know where Slarg picks up this stuff. We must move in different circles. I usually meet educated and employed people.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Slargos on October 07, 2009, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 07, 2009, 12:10:13 PM
I don't know where Slarg picks up this stuff. We must move in different circles. I usually meet educated and employed people.

:lol:

You just need to google it to verify.

I got this gem from flashback.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: garbon on October 07, 2009, 10:23:06 PM
I'm pretty sure illiterate has been a hurtful term for a while.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: KRonn on October 08, 2009, 07:53:08 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 07, 2009, 10:23:06 PM
I'm pretty sure illiterate has been a hurtful term for a while.
Yes, kind of a tough term to be labeled illiterate. But I think that there's a standard to go by to determine literacy/illiteracy. For instance, governments and UN statements give out illiteracy rates and such for countries or regions. It isn't meant as a pejorative.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Martinus on October 08, 2009, 09:05:55 AM
I share Slargos' yearning for the simpler, better times before the PC insanity forced us to abandon such colorful and diverse words and expressions as "uppity niggers", "disgusting sodomites", "money-grabbing kikes", "fatherless bastards",  or "damn dirty border jumpers".
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Viking on October 08, 2009, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2009, 09:05:55 AM
I share Slargos' yearning for the simpler, better times before the PC insanity forced us to abandon such colorful and diverse words and expressions as "uppity niggers", "disgusting sodomites", "money-grabbing kikes", "fatherless bastards",  or "damn dirty border jumpers".

damn dirty polack sodomite!!!!
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: grumbler on October 08, 2009, 09:36:02 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2009, 09:05:55 AM
I share Slargos' yearning for the simpler, better times before the PC insanity forced us to abandon such colorful and diverse words and expressions as "uppity niggers", "disgusting sodomites", "money-grabbing kikes", "fatherless bastards",  or "damn dirty border jumpers".
Personally, I never abandoned "cocksucking faggot" because it is so useful (even if  redundant) and not offensive to anyone whose opinion matters.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Ed Anger on October 08, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
Such salty sailor talk there. I'm sure Grumbler yelled that at Antony at Actium.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2009, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 07, 2009, 07:11:56 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 07, 2009, 05:55:42 AM


I'm going to have to go see a doctor about my blood pressure.

Atenolol  works well.
Lisinopril and hydrochlorothyazide.

Then again, weight loss and exercise is even better.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2009, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
Such salty sailor talk there. I'm sure Grumbler yelled that at Antony at Actium.
Anthony didn't speak English. :smarty:
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: grumbler on October 08, 2009, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2009, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
Such salty sailor talk there. I'm sure Grumbler yelled that at Antony at Actium.
Anthony didn't speak English. :smarty:
He still knew god-damned good and well what the phrase meant!
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Viking on October 08, 2009, 11:35:10 AM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2009, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
Such salty sailor talk there. I'm sure Grumbler yelled that at Antony at Actium.
Anthony didn't speak English. :smarty:

Agreed, he spoke welsh.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2009, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: KRonn on October 08, 2009, 07:53:08 AM
Yes, kind of a tough term to be labeled illiterate. But I think that there's a standard to go by to determine literacy/illiteracy. For instance, governments and UN statements give out illiteracy rates and such for countries or regions. It isn't meant as a pejorative.

Oh I agree. :)
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: The Brain on October 08, 2009, 12:23:17 PM
Maybe non-hackers should STFU and accept the words.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Ed Anger on October 08, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2009, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 07, 2009, 07:11:56 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 07, 2009, 05:55:42 AM


I'm going to have to go see a doctor about my blood pressure.

Atenolol  works well.
Lisinopril and hydrochlorothyazide.

Then again, weight loss and exercise is even better.

Already too skinny, and exercise is icky.

So I'll take all the sweet drugs.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2009, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2009, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 07, 2009, 07:11:56 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 07, 2009, 05:55:42 AM


I'm going to have to go see a doctor about my blood pressure.

Atenolol  works well.
Lisinopril and hydrochlorothyazide.

Then again, weight loss and exercise is even better.

Already too skinny, and exercise is icky.

So I'll take all the sweet drugs.
True.  Given that you're like Sam Jackson's character from Unbreakable, you should probably avoid exercise.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Josquius on October 08, 2009, 01:01:51 PM
Is this true though?
I've heard illerate is a discouraged word but thats mostly because very very few people are truly illiterate.Most adults who need to go into adult learning are just god awful readers, not truly illiterate.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Slargos on October 08, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 08, 2009, 01:01:51 PM
Is this true though?
I've heard illerate is a discouraged word but thats mostly because very very few people are truly illiterate.Most adults who need to go into adult learning are just god awful readers, not truly illiterate.

Just google it.

"Korttidsutbildade"
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2009, 04:46:26 PM
That isn't a word Slargos.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Josquius on October 08, 2009, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 08, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 08, 2009, 01:01:51 PM
Is this true though?
I've heard illerate is a discouraged word but thats mostly because very very few people are truly illiterate.Most adults who need to go into adult learning are just god awful readers, not truly illiterate.

Just google it.

"Korttidsutbildade"

Yeah, I believe the government may well be using it but I don't think its entirely a case of PC.

Even if it were there'd be nothing wrong with this bit of PC- they want to encourage these people to come to class and fix their problem afterall so a less negative word without so much stigma is a good thing.

And thats one horrible Swedish word. Whats the ut doing in there....
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: HVC on October 08, 2009, 04:51:13 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 08, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 08, 2009, 01:01:51 PM
Is this true though?
I've heard illerate is a discouraged word but thats mostly because very very few people are truly illiterate.Most adults who need to go into adult learning are just god awful readers, not truly illiterate.

Just google it.

"Korttidsutbildade"
Bless you
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Slargos on October 08, 2009, 05:16:13 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2009, 04:46:26 PM
That isn't a word Slargos.

You're entirely correct. Technically it is three words. In Swedish, the sentencestructure is slightly different.

See what I did there? No space between sentence and structure.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Viking on October 08, 2009, 05:23:27 PM
Germanic languages often allow compound words. So allegedly the longest word in Norwegian is

karbondioksidbrannslukningsapparatutsprøytningsdysebruksanvisningvedlegginnholdsfortegnelsene

Carbon Dioxide Fire Extinguisher Evacuation Nozzle Valve User Instruction Appendix Table of Contents

The Norwegian word is a bit longer than the translation, but the only real limitation is your imagination.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2009, 05:25:36 PM
And that's why Germanic languages aren't considered 'true' languages, with the exception of English, which isn't really Germanic anyways.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Viking on October 08, 2009, 05:26:50 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2009, 05:25:36 PM
And that's why Germanic languages aren't considered 'true' languages, with the exception of English, which isn't really Germanic anyways.

Dreadnought is a compound word :contract:

QuoteDreadnought Look up Dreadnought at Dictionary.com
    "battleship," lit. "fearing nothing," the name of a ship in the Royal Navy c.1596, but modern sense is from the name of the first of a new class of British battleships mainly armed with big guns of one caliber, launched Feb. 18, 1906.

Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Slargos on October 08, 2009, 06:06:14 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 08, 2009, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 08, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 08, 2009, 01:01:51 PM
Is this true though?
I've heard illerate is a discouraged word but thats mostly because very very few people are truly illiterate.Most adults who need to go into adult learning are just god awful readers, not truly illiterate.

Just google it.

"Korttidsutbildade"

Yeah, I believe the government may well be using it but I don't think its entirely a case of PC.

Even if it were there'd be nothing wrong with this bit of PC- they want to encourage these people to come to class and fix their problem afterall so a less negative word without so much stigma is a good thing.

And thats one horrible Swedish word. Whats the ut doing in there....

Utbildning means education.
Bildning is a very loose term and closer in meaning to character and describes what a person achieves when getting institutional training.

You're right; this is not really about political correctness, but more about the trend of the last couple of decades of what is in practice the newspeak as described by Orwell.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Slargos on October 08, 2009, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 08, 2009, 05:23:27 PM
Germanic languages often allow compound words.

That was the term I was looking for!  :blush:
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: Viking on October 08, 2009, 06:12:45 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 08, 2009, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 08, 2009, 05:23:27 PM
Germanic languages often allow compound words.

That was the term I was looking for!  :blush:

fraflyttenedeuutdannbarsvensktaperfaen
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: grumbler on October 08, 2009, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 08, 2009, 05:26:50 PM
Dreadnought is a compound word :contract:
Actually, it isn't.  It is a proper name that has taken on a new meaning for a collective concept, like kleenex or xerox machines.
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: DontSayBanana on October 08, 2009, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 08, 2009, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 08, 2009, 05:26:50 PM
Dreadnought is a compound word :contract:
Actually, it isn't.  It is a proper name that has taken on a new meaning for a collective concept, like kleenex or xerox machines.

So, according to your example, "dreadnought" is a case of consumer branding? :contract:
Title: Re: Newspeak invention #4876
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on October 08, 2009, 10:24:35 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 08, 2009, 06:06:14 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 08, 2009, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 08, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 08, 2009, 01:01:51 PM
Is this true though?
I've heard illerate is a discouraged word but thats mostly because very very few people are truly illiterate.Most adults who need to go into adult learning are just god awful readers, not truly illiterate.

Just google it.

"Korttidsutbildade"

Yeah, I believe the government may well be using it but I don't think its entirely a case of PC.

Even if it were there'd be nothing wrong with this bit of PC- they want to encourage these people to come to class and fix their problem afterall so a less negative word without so much stigma is a good thing.

And thats one horrible Swedish word. Whats the ut doing in there....

Utbildning means education.
Bildning is a very loose term and closer in meaning to character and describes what a person achieves when getting institutional training.

You're right; this is not really about political correctness, but more about the trend of the last couple of decades of what is in practice the newspeak as described by Orwell.

I'd rather be illiterate than learn Swedish. What hideous words.  :x