Seems that talk of replacing the dollar is in the news a lot, has been for at least a year, longer actually I think, as the dollar started losing value. This article denies that's going on but it could be still some truth to it. What are thoughts on this and its implications for the US or other nations?
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,560742,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r4:c0.090034:b28132404:z0
Gulf States Deny Secret Plan to Dump Dollar
The world's oil producers will continue using the U.S. dollar as the currency for buying and selling crude, high-ranking oil and finance officials in the Gulf said on Tuesday, denying a report in a British newspaper.
Earlier, The Independent reported that Gulf Arab states, as well as China, Russia, Japan and France, are in secret talks to end the use of the U.S. dollar to trade oil, causing the American currency to fall in overseas trading Tuesday.
Qatar's oil minister, Kuwait's finance minister and sources in the United Arab Emirates and Saudi central banks all denied the report.
The Independent report is "absolutely incorrect" and there has been "absolutely nothing" of that nature discussed between Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, and other countries, Saudi Central Bank Governor Muhammad al-Jasser told reporters in Istanbul.
"We did not discuss this at all," Russia's deputy finance minister Dmitry Pankin said on the sidelines of International Monetary Fund meeting.
The newspaper report said, "Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars."
The report cited unidentified sources in the Gulf and Hong Kong, adding that France had also been involved in the talks.
Written by leading journalist Robert Fisk, the report said Gulf states plan to transition the trading of crude oil over nine years from the U.S. dollar to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Cooperation Council, including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Qatar.
The report did not make clear how the change would work and raised doubts among some analysts that such a switch could occur anytime soon, despite speculation about the dominant role of the U.S. dollar in global trade and as the world's main reserve currency.
U.S. officials, which are "sure to fight this international cabal," are aware the secret meetings have taken place but have not fully discovered all of the details, the newspaper said.
The report cited an unnamed Chinese banker as saying the plan "will change the face of international financial transactions. America and Britain must be very worried. You will know how worried by the thunder of denials this news will generate."
The issue of shifting oil trade away from the U.S. dollar has been raised occasionally in recent years. Iran began trading most of its crude oil exports in non-dollar currencies a few years ago.
In wake of the report, the U.S. dollar fell against six major currencies on Tuesday.
Just out of interest, why would Britain be worried by this farrago? After all, oil is not traded in £ sterling.
Although it has been denied, I would not be surprised if the idea had been floated at meetings, even if it was then dismissed for the now.
It's weird to see Fox pick up a store by Robert Fisk :mellow:
Here's the original article that Gulf Arabs are now denying:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
QuoteThe Chinese believe, for example, that the Americans persuaded Britain to stay out of the euro in order to prevent an earlier move away from the dollar.
And people consider ME paranoid? :huh:
QuoteIran announced late last month that its foreign currency reserves would henceforth be held in euros rather than dollars. Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq.
Well, that's a novel explanation for the invasion of Iraq. :lol:
Quote from: Agelastus on October 06, 2009, 08:03:09 AM
QuoteIran announced late last month that its foreign currency reserves would henceforth be held in euros rather than dollars. Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq.
Well, that's a novel explanation for the invasion of Iraq. :lol:
So, the invasion of Iraq wasn't just about oil!! No blood for dollars! No blood for euros!
Regimes that rule through fear require paranoia and xenophobia to maintain any sort of legitimacy.
I am not sorry. Whatever gets the Federal Government and the idiotic voters of this country to realize they have to responsibly manage an economy again is a good thing.
Besides all my money is tied up in assets so inflation doesn't worry me that much :P
I'm burying bars of gold in the backyard.
shit is at 1031 as of 9:22am. :w00t:
Of course they would deny a secret plan. Obviously there is no secret plan anymore once they're asked about it.
Hopefully this is a wake up call about re-inventing Fortress America.
I loved that game. Too bad it's out of print. :(
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 06, 2009, 10:01:43 AM
I loved that game. Too bad it's out of print. :(
Try college gaming clubs.
What currency oil is priced in doesn't matter, what matters is whether the dollar remains the reserve currency of choice.
I'd dump that for a dollar!
Quote from: The Brain on October 06, 2009, 12:33:34 PM
I'd dump that for a dollar!
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^_^
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 06, 2009, 07:57:07 AM
It's weird to see Fox pick up a store by Robert Fisk :mellow:
It's weird to see anyone pick up a story by Robert Fisk.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 06, 2009, 10:49:58 AM
What currency oil is priced in doesn't matter, what matters is whether the dollar remains the reserve currency of choice.
Not 100% correct... if the producers set oil prices in US dollars, as always, let's say at 90 USD, and then the dollar falls 3% in relation to the euro, buyers paying in euros enjoy a nice automatic discount. On the other hand, if euro falls, those buyers use dollars. Oil producers have their own reasons to be interested in that Chinese idea about a new international currency based in a 'basket' including at least euro and dollar.
And an international currency based in such a basket would be almost equivalent to introducing fixed exchange rates. For China and the Gulf states (and other countries with enormous amounts of dollars in their reserves) that would be a dream come true.
Quote from: Alatriste on October 06, 2009, 04:11:36 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 06, 2009, 10:49:58 AM
What currency oil is priced in doesn't matter, what matters is whether the dollar remains the reserve currency of choice.
Not 100% correct... if the producers set oil prices in US dollars, as always, let's say at 90 USD, and then the dollar falls 3% in relation to the euro, buyers paying in euros enjoy a nice automatic discount. On the other hand, if euro falls, those buyers use dollars. Oil producers have their own reasons to be interested in that Chinese idea about a new international currency based in a 'basket' including at least euro and dollar.
And an international currency based in such a basket would be almost equivalent to introducing fixed exchange rates. For China and the Gulf states (and other countries with enormous amounts of dollars in their reserves) that would be a dream come true.
Why do you assume that the price of oil will stay at $90 when the dollar drops?
Quote from: Alatriste on October 06, 2009, 04:11:36 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 06, 2009, 10:49:58 AM
What currency oil is priced in doesn't matter, what matters is whether the dollar remains the reserve currency of choice.
Not 100% correct... if the producers set oil prices in US dollars, as always, let's say at 90 USD, and then the dollar falls 3% in relation to the euro, buyers paying in euros enjoy a nice automatic discount. On the other hand, if euro falls, those buyers use dollars.
Prices aren't set by producers at arbitrary prices, they are ultimately set by exchanges with sellers seeking the highest value.
Quote from: DGuller on October 06, 2009, 04:19:03 PM
Why do you assume that the price of oil will stay at $90 when the dollar drops?
Of course in the real world it wouldn't--it would go up (a part of the reason for the runup in oil prices was that our currency went into the toilet).
Quote from: Alatriste on October 06, 2009, 04:11:36 PM
And an international currency based in such a basket would be almost equivalent to introducing fixed exchange rates. For China and the Gulf states (and other countries with enormous amounts of dollars in their reserves) that would be a dream come true.
something that needs to be prevented in other words