Ever since I was slandered and ridiculed by the ogreish giant of a friend of my older brother's about pronouncing it Simmeria (one of many childhood traumas) I have been wondering about this subject.
The arguments are legion. Greek origin. Howard's own pronunciation. Etc. Etc.
For me, the decision to use S rather than K has always been simple as it is a product of my understanding of English rather than any historical argument.
Cinnamon.
Cinder.
Cincinnati.
Cimmeria.
As opposed to
Cold.
Cone.
Conch.
Conundrum.
Conan.
But I expect the pronunciation of the C has roots in Latin?
I guess my question is: When it comes to pronunciation of English, the rule of thumb is "soft c before i"?
:nerd:
Quote from: Slargos on September 30, 2009, 05:35:31 AM
But I expect the pronunciation of the C has roots in Latin?
I guess my question is: When it comes to pronunciation of English, the rule of thumb is "soft c before i"?
Use the hard "c", like a proper Latin student. It'll impress your friends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians
The hard C seems to be correct. So as far as I'm concerned
Historical Cimmerians - Kimmerians
Howard Cimmerians - Simmerians
Quote from: Viking on September 30, 2009, 05:57:46 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians)
The hard C seems to be correct. So as far as I'm concerned
Historical Cimmerians - Kimmerians
Howard Cimmerians - Simmerians
Well, given that they are infact not the historical Cimmerians, but rather Howard's fictional Cimmerians, I would argue the soft C given both English pronunciation rules and Howard's own soft-C.
Quote from: Slargos on September 30, 2009, 05:59:32 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 30, 2009, 05:57:46 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians)
The hard C seems to be correct. So as far as I'm concerned
Historical Cimmerians - Kimmerians
Howard Cimmerians - Simmerians
Well, given that they are infact not the historical Cimmerians, but rather Howard's fictional Cimmerians, I would argue the soft C given both English pronunciation rules and Howard's own soft-C.
I think I'm agreeing with you
Conan the Simmerian is correct
Mithridates of Kimmeria is correct as well
I will endorse the soft-C consensus. That is certainly how I have pronounced it, given that that was how I have read that Howard pronounced it.
Word.
For Howard's Cimmeria, it's soft-C for sure. :yes:
Hard c/soft c?
Hard=k, soft=s ?
I use the K. It sounds cooler.
And I'm not aware of a rule on when C is S. Its before I?
Soft "C" for Cimmeria in Howard's milieu. I've never heard it pronounced any other way.
Didn't the two movies opt for the soft "C", anyway?
Quote from: Tyr on September 30, 2009, 07:33:57 AM
And I'm not aware of a rule on when C is S. Its before I?
Quote# If the following letter is 'E', 'I' or 'Y', the pronunciation is said to be "soft".
# If the following letter is anything else - including a space - the pronunciation is termed "hard".
http://esl.about.com/od/speakingintermediate/a/hardsoftcg.htm
This is English, of course, so there are always exceptions.
Quote from: Caliga on September 30, 2009, 06:55:07 AM
For Howard's Cimmeria, it's soft-C for sure. :yes:
QFT
Between the times when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas...
Quote from: PRC on September 30, 2009, 11:47:32 AM
Between the times when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas...
You were on a break? katmai was thin? What?
Quote from: The Brain on September 30, 2009, 11:48:26 AM
You were on a break? katmai was thin? What?
No, no... there was an age undreamed of. That's all.
Ci? is always an "s" sound. always. unless there's some exception. I always read it as Simmeria. I'm never wrong about these things.
Quote from: PRC on September 30, 2009, 11:47:32 AM
Between the times when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas...
In the movie that old Chinese dude was the narrator, right?
Quote from: Caliga on October 01, 2009, 07:36:38 AM
Quote from: PRC on September 30, 2009, 11:47:32 AM
Between the times when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas...
In the movie that old Chinese dude was the narrator, right?
Yes. Although I've always considered the character more of a Mongol (ie. steppe nomad) type shaman.
*checks* oops, it was Mako... I forgot. :blush:
I have that movie on DVD and should watch it again... I've seen it probably 20 times but not recently.
"CROM!!!! ...und if you do not listen..... den TO HELL VITH YOU!" :wub:
I only watch for James Earl Jones.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 01, 2009, 07:52:49 AM
I only watch for James Earl Jones.
CAL THE PSYCHIC sees a future
Dayton Daily News paper with the headline:
LOCAL FATHER OF NINE CHILDREN WILLS WIFE TO JUMP OFF VAGINA WALL TO HER DEATH
Quote from: Caliga on October 01, 2009, 07:58:40 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 01, 2009, 07:52:49 AM
I only watch for James Earl Jones.
CAL THE PSYCHIC sees a future Dayton Daily News paper with the headline:
LOCAL FATHER OF NINE CHILDREN WILLS WIFE TO JUMP OFF VAGINA WALL TO HER DEATH
You suck at tarot readings.
Other fun fact about the other chinese guy in the movie, Subotai played by Gerry Lopez... he was a world class surfer and won a bunch of pipeline surfing competitions.
It's pronounced "Sonan".
Quote from: Caliga on October 01, 2009, 07:52:18 AM
*checks* oops, it was Mako... I forgot. :blush:
I have that movie on DVD and should watch it again... I've seen it probably 20 times but not recently.
"CROM!!!! ...und if you do not listen..... den TO HELL VITH YOU!" :wub:
Dude if you haven't listen to the commentary by Milius & Arnie it's hilarious,
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 01, 2009, 11:31:57 AM
Dude if you haven't listen to the commentary by Milius & Arnie it's hilarious,
I started to one time, but switched it off because I find voiceover commentaries extremely distracting. If it's as good as you say, I'll give it another shot.
Quote from: Caliga on October 01, 2009, 11:52:54 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 01, 2009, 11:31:57 AM
Dude if you haven't listen to the commentary by Milius & Arnie it's hilarious,
I started to one time, but switched it off because I find voiceover commentaries extremely distracting. If it's as good as you say, I'll give it another shot.
I hear that. I can't watch with commentary on if I want to watch the movie. Only if I want to hear the commentary. I will usually turn that on and multitask like it was radio.
Commentary for Conan the B. was boring. Milius hadn't bother preparing at all and Arnold is neither a thinker nor a talker.
Good commentary: John Carpenter and Kurt Russell The Thing.
Quote from: The Brain on October 01, 2009, 12:18:15 PM
Commentary for Conan the B. was boring. Milius hadn't bother preparing at all and Arnold is neither a thinker nor a talker.
Good commentary: John Carpenter and Kurt Russell The Thing.
well that's a good commentary if you want to learn about the film. Arnie/Milius are getting drunk througout theirs and shooting the shit. apples & guavas
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 01, 2009, 12:37:27 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 01, 2009, 12:18:15 PM
Commentary for Conan the B. was boring. Milius hadn't bother preparing at all and Arnold is neither a thinker nor a talker.
Good commentary: John Carpenter and Kurt Russell The Thing.
Arnie/Milius are getting drunk througout theirs and shooting the shit.
Really? Then they are the saddest people on the planet if doing that makes for such boring fare. Carpenter/Russell is amusing.
The commentary for Ghostbusters was extremely good.
Quote from: Caliga on October 01, 2009, 11:52:54 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 01, 2009, 11:31:57 AM
Dude if you haven't listen to the commentary by Milius & Arnie it's hilarious,
I started to one time, but switched it off because I find voiceover commentaries extremely distracting. If it's as good as you say, I'll give it another shot.
I sympathise, I've never been able to sit through a commentary myself.
Quote from: Agelastus on October 01, 2009, 05:17:51 PM
I sympathise, I've never been able to sit through a commentary myself.
I would agree that most commentaries are boring as shit, but sometimes they are brilliant. Jerry Doyle and some of the other B5 actors did a brilliant commentary for the episode Falling toward Apotheosis." Especially funny was Doyle's remark, just after the scene where Kosh routs Garibaldi and his security guys, that "that was exactly what it was like when I went to Doug Netter to ask for a raise." Doyle may not have been a great actor, but he was great in commentaries.