If you could choose to own any aircraft to own for free, what would it be ?
The rules are, it has to have been built, flown and more than one must have been produced.
You get it for free and any necessary maintenance is also free.
All aircrew necessary for it to fly are at no cost to you.
But you have to pay all 'running costs' ie fuel, special gases, landing fees, air transport/traffic fees, hanger rent etc.
So what is it ?
edit:
I forgot to add, no armanents are included or allowed.
P-38 Lightning. J or later model, as I wish to live.
Airwolf. I'm sure they used more than one.
Bf-109 E or F
Remembering all those hours (days?) of IL-2 still bring tears to my eyes.
Quote from: mongers on March 25, 2009, 06:49:40 PM
But you have to pay all 'running costs' ie fuel, special gases, landing fees, air transport/traffic fees, hanger rent etc.
So what is it ?
That right there will make the vast majority of airplanes either unobtainable, or relegated to rusting on the back lawn.
Without that...a luxury-converted 747 jumbo crewed by HOTT babes. The stewardesses count as "crew", right? :shifty:
I think I'd either have a photo-reconnaissance version of a DH Mosquito or a PR version of the Canberra, though I'm not sure I could afford the gas for that.
But would probably go for one of these, the Pilatus Turbo Porter just so I could get flown in and out of some of the hairyest strips across the world, al a Air America:
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Quote from: Tonitrus on March 25, 2009, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 25, 2009, 06:49:40 PM
But you have to pay all 'running costs' ie fuel, special gases, landing fees, air transport/traffic fees, hanger rent etc.
So what is it ?
That right there will make the vast majority of airplanes either unobtainable, or relegated to rusting on the back lawn.
Thats the one of the main point of the topic, you can have whatever you want, but if its a XB-70, its going to have to be a static display, unless you're JR or PeterL.
A King Air 350.
http://www.hawkerbeechcraft.com/beechcraft/aircraft/turboprops/ka350/
QuoteThats the one of the main point of the topic, you can have whatever you want, but if its a XB-70, its going to have to be a static display, unless you're JR or PeterL.
This would actually apply to pretty much any aircraft. The things are just expensive own if you actually want to use them, even just regular little Cessna 150s (although those, and similar types, are much much closer to being affordable for "regular" people). http://www.ben.com/flying/costown.html That King Air would be horribly expensive to operate, I imagine, but I really really like those. Now if you really mean
all necessary maintenance, including the unscheduled stuff, that would help with the cost a whole helluva lot. It would probably make it more like owning a car that guzzles really expensive gas.
I'm going to disregard your rules and pick the F-22.*
*One that doesn't randomly explode
I'll go with P-51. Others would include F4U Corsair, Spitfire. :)
Oh, man. Tough choices.
I've always loved the Thunderbolt with a passion, and I love the maneuverability of the early Zero and Spitfire.
But I'd have to go with the JU-87 Stuka. Just to scare the piss out of the local synagogues with the Jericho Trumpets. Oh, fuck yeah.
Jet Age category: A-10 Thunderbolt. Or a Convair B-58 Hustler.
Quote from: mongers on March 25, 2009, 07:27:00 PM
Please read the OP, I set out the 'rules' so that you only have to pay for the runnng costs, no crew, certification, maintenance or repair costs; so at least some languishite could afford to run some.
Yeah I read that, and the point still stands. You're probably looking at close to $500 a month to just have a "normal" sized private plane (not a King Air, and not a little sport thing) sit around doing nothing, although less if you just leave it outside to rust at a tie down (a P-51 sitting at a tie down would be funny at first, then kinda sad). Tack on another $60 to $<large3digitnumber> an hour for gas and shit, depending on how much it drinks and how much gas costs a gallon, if you want to fly the thing.
But yeah....I'd gladly give up a few thousand a month to have and use a big King Air. I really would. You guys can all be crammed up in your little combat planes while I party at 35,000 feet on my way to somewhere 1,500 miles away. :cool:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 25, 2009, 07:35:40 PM
But I'd have to go with the JU-87 Stuka. Just to scare the piss out of the local synagogues with the Jericho Trumpets. Oh, fuck yeah.
You're so bad. :lmfao:
How about The Goose from Tales of the Gold Monkey?
Prop: Avenger. Jet: Intruder.
Quote from: mongers on March 25, 2009, 07:45:55 PM
Interesting choice, but god knows much an hours fuel for one of those things would cost.
Yeah, that's from the More Money Than God file.
Speaking of props, A-1 Skyraider would be a badass private aircraft.
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 25, 2009, 07:41:05 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 25, 2009, 07:35:40 PM
But I'd have to go with the JU-87 Stuka. Just to scare the piss out of the local synagogues with the Jericho Trumpets. Oh, fuck yeah.
You're so bad. :lmfao:
There's buzzing the tower, and then there's getting all Eastern Front on the neighbors.
I'm lookin' California, and feelin' Barbarossa.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 25, 2009, 07:50:02 PM
Speaking of props, A-1 Skyraider would be a badass private aircraft.
I thought about the Skyraider, but stripped of it's 8 million pounds of napalm it looks kinda like an Aircobra.
The Suid Afrikaans B707-320B always gets me worked-up.
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The Pan Am/Martin China Clipper is pretty sexy as well.
Quote from: mongers on March 25, 2009, 07:45:55 PM
oh and for all of those selecting single seat fighters, unless you're a pilot, its going to have to sit on the ground or you're going to have to make do with a trainer version.
Honestly, I'd be fine with a radio-controlled model 109. In fact there's no reason I can't get one right now. Hmm
Also I'd love a C-5 or 17 but I couldn't possibly pay for its upkeep.
A Catalina would be nice too.
Quote from: mongers on March 25, 2009, 06:49:40 PM
If you could choose to own any aircraft to own for free, what would it be ?
The rules are, it has to have been built, flown and more than one must have been produced.
You get it for free and any necessary maintenance is also free.
All aircrew necessary for it to fly are at no cost to you.
But you have to pay all 'running costs' ie fuel, special gases, landing fees, air transport/traffic fees, hanger rent etc.
So what is it ?
edit:
I forgot to add, no armanents are included or allowed.
A380. That's probably the most expensive aircraft that I can sell immediately. I considered a B-2, but I probably can't sell it.
Quote from: Monoriu on March 25, 2009, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 25, 2009, 06:49:40 PM
If you could choose to own any aircraft to own for free, what would it be ?
The rules are, it has to have been built, flown and more than one must have been produced.
You get it for free and any necessary maintenance is also free.
All aircrew necessary for it to fly are at no cost to you.
But you have to pay all 'running costs' ie fuel, special gases, landing fees, air transport/traffic fees, hanger rent etc.
So what is it ?
edit:
I forgot to add, no armanents are included or allowed.
A380. That's probably the most expensive aircraft that I can sell immediately. I considered a B-2, but I probably can't sell it.
I'm sure your government would make you a handsome offer. :whistle:
Quote from: grumbler on March 25, 2009, 06:51:29 PM
P-38 Lightning. J or later model, as I wish to live.
:cheers: At least there's something we can agree on. Sucks that you beat me to it, though. Right down to the J. :P
Quote from: mongers on March 25, 2009, 06:49:40 PM
edit:
I forgot to add, no armanents are included or allowed.
Spoilsport :(
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 25, 2009, 08:28:14 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 25, 2009, 06:51:29 PM
P-38 Lightning. J or later model, as I wish to live.
:cheers: At least there's something we can agree on. Sucks that you beat me to it, though. Right down to the J. :P
Everybody forgets that the P-38 had twice the kill ratio and less than half the loss per sortie of the P-51 in the ETO, despite the P-38 being deployed earlier and facing higher odds.
The P-51 was cheaper and easier to maintain than the Lightning, so it replaced in in Europe (but not the PTO, where the -38 was king until the end).
I have always thought the P-38 was the premier piston fighter of WW2, and would want to fly one even if just twice a year (or even just once). Just to say i could do it.
So many to choose from.
A Fokker D-VII would be great, I would avoid any Sopwith (other than the Pup) since I like to live.
Getting an XP-72 with full supercharger and opening it up at, say, 30k feet would be great.
Big: B-36. Fucking beautiful.
Small: Su-27. Sukhoi makes some truly beautiful airplanes, fast as fuck as well.
A Sopwith Camel, of course. :bowler:
A zeppelin would be my second choice; it's like an RV for the sky.
Quote from: Savonarola on March 25, 2009, 09:27:21 PM
A zeppelin would be my second choice; it's like an RV for the sky.
True, though I'd be worried about it exploding.
Quote from: mongers on March 25, 2009, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 25, 2009, 08:05:33 PM
A380. That's probably the most expensive aircraft that I can sell immediately. I considered a B-2, but I probably can't sell it.
Mono, I think this is the only B-2 the US would be willing to give you:
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I don't even think they'll give me the wreck :D
S.E.5 or P-38
Well, the "no armaments" rule kinda kills the fun, but:
Prop-driven: P-26.
Jet: P-80.
A space shuttle.
I couldn't run anything.
So...I'd go for the most expensive possible plane going and then sell it.
A Tornado F3 with accompanying RAF pilot, please.
QuoteI forgot to add, no armanents are included or allowed.
I ignore your rule.
Hs 129
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 26, 2009, 08:44:04 AM
QuoteI forgot to add, no armanents are included or allowed.
I ignore your rule.
Hs 129
French engines...taking your own life in your hands.
Quote from: PDH on March 26, 2009, 08:59:20 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 26, 2009, 08:44:04 AM
QuoteI forgot to add, no armanents are included or allowed.
I ignore your rule.
Hs 129
French engines...taking your own life in your hands.
My middle name is danger.
If we get to ignore the "no armaments" rule, I choose: Enola Gay. :menace:
B-2.
Then I will sell it, and buy anything I want.
Quote from: PDH on March 26, 2009, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 26, 2009, 09:00:37 AM
My middle name is danger.
Ed d'Anger
According to Wiki, the last Hs 129 model was supposed to have wop engines.
Ed "Vespa" Anger
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Why not? 2.1 Billions worth of stuff.
I'm scared of heights.
When I saw the thread title I first thought it was a new marketing scheme from Gripen and the Swedes.
It made sense.
Since nuclear aircraft never made it beyond prototypes I don't know.
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I'd say a B-17 Flying Fortress. :bowler:
Stuka. What else.. The only unarmed plane you can actually attack with...
A de Havilland Beaver. :wub:
http://www.lauzonaviation.com/uploads/sections/DeHavilland_Beaver.jpg
I actuaally got to fly in one owned by a bush pilot in northern Manitoba - he called his company Red Sucker Air. :lol:
(of course when you explain that he was based out of Red Sucker Lake it doesn't sound as funny).
The Beaver was the plane that opened the north, and would actually be affordable to own.
One of these days I WILL get my general aviation license... :(
Quote from: Strix on March 26, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
I'd say a B-17 Flying Fortress. :bowler:
See, that's what I don't understand: why would anyone ask for one of the most-difficult-to-fly, least-rewarding planes in history? I think they are fascinating planes, but owning one would give me no pleasure.
I could learn to fly a P-38, and like it. Not so anything much bigger.
Sud Aviation Caravelle:
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:mmm:
What is it with gays and passenger planes? Is love for them drilled into you at gay camp?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 27, 2009, 01:42:13 PM
What is it with gays and passenger planes? Is love for them drilled into you at gay camp?
If flight crew is free too why would I want a small fighter plane or an uncomfortable drafty bomber? Give me a kitchen, a bar and a team of stewards any day :p
Quote from: Strix on March 26, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
I'd say a B-17 Flying Fortress. :bowler:
A few times I've seen and heard a B-17 at air shows at the local airport. I loved the sound of the engines, just like the sound they make on movies or historical shows, but heard up close in person. That was pretty cool. Saw them and fighters flying around, doing take-offs and landings. Good stuff. I think the fighters were P-51s and P-47s, maybe a P-38 or Corsair. I forget which fighters actually. Also a B-24 usually makes the rounds too. Probably the planes will make a tour this summer; raise money for the upkeep and also to show them to people. I was a little surprised that the inside of the bombers actually were more cramped than I expected; smaller than the impression I got from seeing them in pictures or movies/documentaries.
BTW no pun intended. :blush:
DC3.