Annie Marie Le: Body Found Behind Wall on Planned Wedding Day (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2171533/annie_marie_le_body_found_behind_wall.html)
QuoteBody Found May Be Remains of Missing Yale Student
Just a day after the FBI unequivocally denied a body had been found, remains of a small female believed to be missing Yale student Annie Marie Le were found inside the wall of a lab building in the Yale medical complex where she was last seen. The body was found around 5 p.m. Sunday. Annie Marie Le, a Yale pharmacology doctoral student, had been last seen Tuesday entering the building in which she was found. A surveillance camera had captured her image going into the lab building but she had not been observed leaving the facility, although authorities had been poring over 75 cameras-worth of video footage.
"We assume it is Annie Le," New Haven Police Assistant Police Chief Peter Reichard said at a short press conference. Police are now treating the case as a homicide, although tests have not yet determined whether or not the body found was indeed that of the missing Yale student.
Annie Marie Le was to have been married Sunday.
FBI and local authorities, fully equipped with hazmat suits, were scouring a local landfill Saturday and Sunday where trash is converted into electricity to determine whether or not Annie Le had left the lab building via a refuse container. But blueprints had been ordered for the building, those in charge of the searching there wanting to ensure that every possible room or space was properly searched.
Reichard stated that investigators have a good deal of physical evidence to go through but would not give details.
The New Haven Register and other reporting agencies claimed a source that said bloody clothing had been removed from the building Saturday but the FBI refused to confirm the claim. An unidentified male seen speaking to FBI agents outside the lab building who got into the passenger side of an unmarked vehicle before it drove away has yet to be identified as well. The FBI refuses to comment on the ongoing investigation.
At present, authorities have not released the name or names of any suspects.
Jonathan Widawsky, Annie Le's fiance, was ruled out as a suspect early in the missing Yale student's case. Widawsky began cooperating with authorities from the outset.
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I have been following this case but hadn't posted it because I figured we had enough threads on the subject of American crime. :cool:
It's a very interesting case, albeit extremely sad. There is apparently some suspicion around her thesis advisor, which I think is strange because IIRC a German girl was stabbed to death at Yale about ten years ago, and the prime suspect--who was never charged with anything--was also her thesis advisor. Since Le was a pharmacology doctoral student and the German chick was an undergrad IR major, surely it's not the same guy. :unsure:
Maybe the lab techs mistook her for a dog and did tests on her.
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
Maybe the lab techs mistook her for a dog and did tests on her.
Apparently she was murdered in a lab area in which animal experiments were indeed conducted. :ph34r:
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2009, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
Maybe the lab techs mistook her for a dog and did tests on her.
Apparently she was murdered in a lab area in which animal experiments were indeed conducted. :ph34r:
I'd like to solve: CdM, with the anal probe, in the lab.
Man that's sad, I can't imagine what her fiance's feeling. :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 14, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
Man that's sad, I can't imagine what her fiance's feeling. :(
You are really an unimangitive fellow, aren't you? :rolleyes:
Quote from: dps on September 14, 2009, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 14, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
Man that's sad, I can't imagine what her fiance's feeling. :(
You are really an unimangitive fellow, aren't you? :rolleyes:
Haven't we already had this fight? :rolleyes:
You're deluding yourself if you think you can understand what someone feels in that situation unless it happens to you.
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2009, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
Maybe the lab techs mistook her for a dog and did tests on her.
Apparently she was murdered in a lab area in which animal experiments were indeed conducted. :ph34r:
You mean the animals took revenge? :o
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 14, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
Man that's sad, I can't imagine what her fiance's feeling. :(
Depends - he could be the killer. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on September 14, 2009, 01:55:30 PM
Depends - he could be the killer. ;)
They've been saying he isn't involved from day 1. The fact that a) he does not have access to the building, which allegedly has tight security and b) he happened to be in NYC at the time makes him an unlikely suspect.
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2009, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 14, 2009, 01:55:30 PM
Depends - he could be the killer. ;)
They've been saying he isn't involved from day 1. The fact that a) he does not have access to the building, which allegedly has tight security and b) he happened to be in NYC at the time makes him an unlikely suspect.
He could have hired a killer, though.
Quote from: Syt on September 14, 2009, 02:03:05 PMHe could have hired a killer, though.
Yeah, seems likely. :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2009, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 14, 2009, 01:55:30 PM
Depends - he could be the killer. ;)
They've been saying he isn't involved from day 1. The fact that a) he does not have access to the building, which allegedly has tight security and b) he happened to be in NYC at the time makes him an unlikely suspect.
Heh, I haven't followed the story at all, it does seem unlikely then.
I just wanted to pop Jimmy's bubble a bit. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on September 14, 2009, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2009, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 14, 2009, 01:55:30 PM
Depends - he could be the killer. ;)
They've been saying he isn't involved from day 1. The fact that a) he does not have access to the building, which allegedly has tight security and b) he happened to be in NYC at the time makes him an unlikely suspect.
Heh, I haven't followed the story at all, it does seem unlikely then.
I just wanted to pop Jimmy's bubble a bit. ;)
I knew he wasn't a suspect.
I wouldn't think of him as a suspect until a couples years after they'd been married
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 14, 2009, 02:20:24 PM
I knew he wasn't a suspect.
How did you know exactly? :unsure: :ph34r:
Yay, someone finally popped Tim's bubble! Congrats bro, you are a man now.
Jaron is jealous.
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2009, 02:34:27 PM
Yay, someone finally popped Tim's bubble! Congrats bro, you are a man now.
Tim's bubble is impervious.
QuoteNew Haven Connecticut -- Sources tell ABC News police they have a suspect in the murder of the California graduate student Annie Le. That source said authorities are focusing on a suspect who failed a lie detector test and also has defensive wounds.
Police have said nothing publicly about a suspect, but ABC News has learned that there is one a man who failed a lie detector test and who shows signs of defensive wounds. The relationship between the suspect and Annie Le is not immediately clear but police said that her apparent killing was not random. Detectives also said, nobody else on the Yale campus is in danger.
Police said they found the body on Sunday; it was shoved into a small space meant to conceal pipes and wiring in the basement wall of a Yale laboratory building. They assume it was the body of Annie Le's.
"Detectives have recovered a large amount of physical evidence," said Assistant Chief Peter Reichard with the New Haven Police Department, "We're not releasing any information at this time because we have an ongoing homicide case."
Sources say, police may have a powerful piece of evidence: bloody clothes found stuffed behind ceiling tiles which, do not appear to belong to Le, but may belong to the likely killer.
Le, a 24-year-old graduate student, disappeared Tuesday. She was captured on surveillance cameras entering the lab building but despite more than 70 cameras in the area, there was no picture of her leaving.
Her body was apparently discovered on the very day she was supposed to be getting married. Her fiancé is not a suspect.
I didn't know Yale was in California.
She's originally from California. :contract:
:contract:
QuoteThe relationship between the suspect and Annie Le is not immediately clear but police said that her apparent killing was not random. Detectives also said, nobody else on the Yale campus is in danger.
I'm going with crazy stalker in love from afar.
I'm going with the CIA. Yet another PRC spy is given the execution that they so richly deserve.
She looks like VC to me.
She's Vietnamese
:yes:
I know, it's amazing that her last name is not Nguyen--but somehow she's still Vietnamese. :huh:
Yeah.
WTF is up with all the Nguyen? How the F do you even pronounce that?
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2009, 03:59:37 PM
Yeah.
WTF is up with all the Nguyen? How the F do you even pronounce that?
"new-YEN"
Quote from: Malthus on September 14, 2009, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 14, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
Man that's sad, I can't imagine what her fiance's feeling. :(
Depends - he could be the killer. ;)
[timmy mode] You can't imagine what it feels like to be a killer unless you're a killer yourself. [/timmy mode]
Hmm. BTW, where were you last Tuesday? Failed any lie detector tests recently?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 14, 2009, 06:33:42 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2009, 04:15:03 PM
"new-YEN"
I've always heard it pronounced Nwin.
On poker programs that I watch, there are on average about 25 Nguyens in the field. They're always prounced "win".
Quote from: DGuller on September 14, 2009, 06:35:27 PM
On poker programs that I watch, there are on average about 25 Nguyens in the field. They're always prounced "win".
By slopes or by gringos? I worked with a few Vietnamese and they pronounced it Nwin.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 14, 2009, 06:33:42 PM
I've always heard it pronounced Nwin.
Weird. I had a friend growing up named Chris Nguyen and he pronounced it as "new-YEN" like I posted. I can't imagine he doesn't know how to pronounce his own name... maybe the pronunciation varies regionally?
Quote"Serious" Suspect In Annie Le Case
by Paul Bass
Police are zeroing in on a lab tech as a possible suspect in the murder of graduate student Annie Le, according to two people familiar with the probe.
Contrary to national media reports, the suspect is not a student. The suspect is not in custody.
Le, who's 24, went missing on Tuesday. On Sunday, state cops found a body stuffed inside a wall at the Yale medical school lab building where she was last seen, at 10 Amistad St. The state medical examiner Monday afternoon positively identified the body as Annie Le, and ruled her death a homicide.
Police officials definitively denied Monday afternoon that they've centered suspicion on a Yale student in the probe — or that any student is "involved" in the case.
However, a source familiar with the investigation said the probe has zeroed in on a single "serious" suspect.
Another law enforcement source familiar with the probe identified the suspect as a lab technician who works with animal testing at Yale. That technician's campus phone number was disconnected Monday afternoon and he couldn't be reached for comment. The technician allegedly had an unrequited love interest in Annie Le, according to that source. That suggestion couldn't be independently verified Monday afternoon.
The New Haven Register's Bill Kaempffer reported that the suspect failed a polygraph test and refused to answer cops' questions, with a lawyer present.
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2009, 04:15:03 PM
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2009, 03:59:37 PM
Yeah.
WTF is up with all the Nguyen? How the F do you even pronounce that?
"new-YEN"
:huh:
All of the Nguyen I've known have pronounced it "Nwin" more or less.
Caligula's guy is obviously a Cambodian trying to pass himself off.
The press should leave it alone until there's an arrest.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 14, 2009, 07:18:37 PM
Caligula's guy is obviously a Cambodian trying to pass himself off.
His dad was a high ranking ARVN guy (either a colonel or a general, I forget)... maybe a class distinction? I'm 100% sure this is how he pronounced his name--I mean it was definitely not monosyllabic like this "nwin" pronunciation seems to be.
Nuyen?
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 14, 2009, 07:28:01 PM
The press should leave it alone until there's an arrest.
The American media leave something alone until there is real news to report?
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I love how, with all their usual bullshit about jurisdiction, Famous But Incompetent was in on the case less than 24 hours after she was reported missing. Nothing like the Yale president calling his Yale buddies in DC to move things right along. I bet if this happened at the University of Not Yale, they'd have been on the case ASAP.
Of course, Famous But Incompetent couldn't find a body in the fucking building for 5 days, waiting until the weekend to bring in dogs. Way to go, dumbasses.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 14, 2009, 09:34:07 PM
I love how, with all their usual bullshit about jurisdiction, Famous But Incompetent was in on the case less than 24 hours after she was reported missing. Nothing like the Yale president calling his Yale buddies in DC to move things right along. I bet if this happened at the University of Not Yale, they'd have been on the case ASAP.
Of course, Famous But Incompetent couldn't find a body in the fucking building for 5 days, waiting until the weekend to bring in dogs. Way to go, dumbasses.
I can't believe the FBI got involved in a missing person case that wasn't a cute white girl.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 14, 2009, 09:34:07 PM
I love how, with all their usual bullshit about jurisdiction, Famous But Incompetent was in on the case less than 24 hours after she was reported missing. Nothing like the Yale president calling his Yale buddies in DC to move things right along. I bet if this happened at the University of Not Yale, they'd have been on the case ASAP.
Yale = CIA. FBI is more like BYU.
Quote from: sbr on September 14, 2009, 10:28:54 PM
I can't believe the FBI got involved in a missing person case that wasn't a cute white girl.
Hope and change comes through!
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2009, 07:32:38 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 14, 2009, 07:18:37 PM
Caligula's guy is obviously a Cambodian trying to pass himself off.
His dad was a high ranking ARVN guy (either a colonel or a general, I forget)... maybe a class distinction? I'm 100% sure this is how he pronounced his name--I mean it was definitely not monosyllabic like this "nwin" pronunciation seems to be.
Buddy was a Nguyen and a frat bro and roomate for 4 years. Was pronounced gNew-win. Soft g sound at the start and all one word/syllable.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Nguyen.ogg
Audio of the pronunciation
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 14, 2009, 11:46:54 PM
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So is that a picture of you? No wonder you are in Thailand. You got the yellow fever.
In Saskatoon we had a crapload of people named Ng. Never figured out how that was pronounced either.
Quote from: Maximus on September 15, 2009, 07:54:53 AM
In Saskatoon we had a crapload of people named Ng. Never figured out how that was pronounced either.
"ing"?
Quote from: Razgovory on September 15, 2009, 07:40:46 AM
So is that a picture of you? No wonder you are in Thailand. You got the yellow fever.
Yes. I admit it, that is me. I am the God of Vomit.
Quote from: sbr on September 14, 2009, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 14, 2009, 09:34:07 PM
I love how, with all their usual bullshit about jurisdiction, Famous But Incompetent was in on the case less than 24 hours after she was reported missing. Nothing like the Yale president calling his Yale buddies in DC to move things right along. I bet if this happened at the University of Not Yale, they'd have been on the case ASAP.
Of course, Famous But Incompetent couldn't find a body in the fucking building for 5 days, waiting until the weekend to bring in dogs. Way to go, dumbasses.
I can't believe the FBI got involved in a missing person case that wasn't a cute white girl.
Yellow fever is taking its toll on public policy.
A 24 year old lab tech named Raymond Clark is in custody. Apparently he himself is engaged to be married. :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on September 16, 2009, 05:19:01 AM
A 24 year old lab tech named Raymond Clark is in custody. Apparently he himself is engaged to be married. :huh:
Maybe there was a clash over a reception booking? These things can get nasty...
:lol:
Quote from: Brazen on September 16, 2009, 05:20:44 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 16, 2009, 05:19:01 AM
A 24 year old lab tech named Raymond Clark is in custody. Apparently he himself is engaged to be married. :huh:
Maybe there was a clash over a reception booking? These things can get nasty...
:lol:
Quote from: Jaron on September 16, 2009, 05:22:56 AM
Quote from: Brazen on September 16, 2009, 05:20:44 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 16, 2009, 05:19:01 AM
A 24 year old lab tech named Raymond Clark is in custody. Apparently he himself is engaged to be married. :huh:
Maybe there was a clash over a reception booking? These things can get nasty...
:lol:
Oh no you di'nt!
The plot thickens. This "not a suspect" suspect's fiance put up a blog post last year in which she vehemently denied her boyfriend was having a 'fling' with someone in his lab, without any details given. :huh:
And they've arrested the lab technician they were interested in.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32890245/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
The case against him seems airtight to me. It amuses me that he's not at all what alot of people seem to have been expecting... not some fat creepy wierdo shut-in, or a black guy, but a decent looking muscular white dude with a cute fiancee. Ironic that a second wedding has now been derailed in this case.
So was she fucking this guy too?
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 08:04:21 AM
The case against him seems airtight to me. It amuses me that he's not at all what alot of people seem to have been expecting... not some fat creepy wierdo shut-in, or a black guy, but a decent looking muscular white dude with a cute fiancee. Ironic that a second wedding has now been derailed in this case.
What case? They haven't released any details at all about his involvement yet. :huh:
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on September 17, 2009, 08:10:19 AM
So was she fucking this guy too?
I very much doubt it.
I think it's simpler than some people are speculating about. The guy was a blowhard asshole, and was used to pushing the lab researchers around. Apparently he had yelled at her about shit before and she was like "ok, sorry". He probably decided to yell at her again that day for some minor infraction, but because she was under all the wedding stress she was like "fuck you" this time and maybe she even slapped him or something, which set him off. He probably didn't intend to strangle her to death but maybe once he laid hands on her he couldn't control his rage and after he realized what he'd done he did his best to cover his tracks.
I can't believe this was premeditated unless the guy's IQ was like 70. He made no effort to disguise his movements within the building prior to the killing and he had to have known that *eventually* her body would be located, especially once it started to decompose and stink. I think he killed her in a fit of rage and probably didn't rape her or anything.
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 08:16:22 AM
What case? They haven't released any details at all about his involvement yet. :huh:
:huh: Define 'details'. There's alot out there about how his movements were tracked via his ID card and he was the last person to be in a room with her, how he was covered in defensive wounds, failed a polygraph, was caught apparently trying to flee the area, and so forth.
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 08:25:41 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 08:16:22 AM
What case? They haven't released any details at all about his involvement yet. :huh:
:huh: Define 'details'. There's alot out there about how his movements were tracked via his ID card and he was the last person to be in a room with her, how he was covered in defensive wounds, failed a polygraph, was caught apparently trying to flee the area, and so forth.
Well, for one, some information as to motive and what the DNA evidence revealed would be good.
So far, the evidence released is all circumstantial - as far as I know they can monotor commings and goings from the building but not the room, his wounds could be caused by any number of things, polygraphs are not reliable tools. I hadn't heard he was trying to flee, but that could be explained through stupidity - a person knowing he's likely a suspect may well act guilty.
Not saying he's probably not guilty - he probably is - but the vital and conclusive evidence hasn't been released yet.
No, actually they can monitor comings and goings to individual rooms, and the last time her swipe was ever used was like a minute or something before his was used, going into the same room. After that his swiping pattern was irregular and he was accessing rooms he was not 'supposed' to be in.
I agree the case is not ironclad yet, but they arrested him this morning because there was a DNA match between him and her body. I would guess they found his DNA under her fingernails.
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 08:44:50 AM
No, actually they can monitor comings and goings to individual rooms, and the last time her swipe was ever used was like a minute or something before his was used, going into the same room. After that his swiping pattern was irregular and he was accessing rooms he was not 'supposed' to be in.
I agree the case is not ironclad yet, but they arrested him this morning because there was a DNA match between him and her body. I would guess they found his DNA under her fingernails.
Yeah, the circumstantial case against him looks good all right. DNA is going to be the clincher.
I do wonder about the reason though. I like your theory, but more evidence is needed.
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 08:51:37 AM
I do wonder about the reason though. I like your theory, but more evidence is needed.
Yeah, people are going to speculate on whether they were having an affair, whether he raped her, etc. But I just can't believe if he had a plan to rape and murder her, or murder her for some other reason, he would intend to carry it out at such a secure facility in the middle of a working day.
People think there's a hidden relationship because of some obscure blog post the guy's fiancee wrote last spring, but there's absolutely nothing about that post that would lead one to believe the girl was talking about Le.
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 08:56:10 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 08:51:37 AM
I do wonder about the reason though. I like your theory, but more evidence is needed.
Yeah, people are going to speculate on whether they were having an affair, whether he raped her, etc. But I just can't believe if he had a plan to rape and murder her, or murder her for some other reason, he would intend to carry it out at such a secure facility in the middle of a working day.
People think there's a hidden relationship because of some obscure blog post the guy's fiancee wrote last spring, but there's absolutely nothing about that post that would lead one to believe the girl was talking about Le.
Well, some sort of affair or unrequited relationship could explain the murderous rage. It is otherwise pretty difficult to understand why a lab tech would strangle a graduate student to death.
Of course, some lab techs would probably beg to differ, particularly when students don't clean up their crap ... :D
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 09:08:08 AM
Of course, some lab techs would probably beg to differ, particularly when students don't clean up their crap ... :D
I was about to say :P
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 09:08:08 AM
Well, some sort of affair or unrequited relationship could explain the murderous rage. It is otherwise pretty difficult to understand why a lab tech would strangle a graduate student to death.
It's hard for me to understand why anybody would kill someone with their bare hands, and I'm not sure such behavior can be rationalized. It's like trying to figure out "the reason why" Ted Bundy kidnapped, raped, and murdered so many innocent women he randomly targeted. I think it's a pointless exercise. Not that I'm comparing this kid to Ted Bundy, but the senselessness of the crime is the same.... so I think it's just as likely he killed her because he was mad she left some dead mice in a cage as it is that he had some lustful obsession with her.
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 08:56:10 AMBut I just can't believe if he had a plan to rape and murder her, or murder her for some other reason, he would intend to carry it out at such a secure facility in the middle of a working day.
He doesn't need to have a plan even if they were involved. It could have been any number of things that sent him in to a murderous rage, like her deciding to end the relationship since she's about to be married.
Him strangling a girl he wasn't involved with because she pissed him off that day seems very odd, but I suppose possible. You'd think he would have had a history of assault charges if he could be set off like that.
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 08:41:29 AM
Well, for one, some information as to motive and what the DNA evidence revealed would be good.
So far, the evidence released is all circumstantial - as far as I know they can monotor commings and goings from the building but not the room, his wounds could be caused by any number of things, polygraphs are not reliable tools. I hadn't heard he was trying to flee, but that could be explained through stupidity - a person knowing he's likely a suspect may well act guilty.
Not saying he's probably not guilty - he probably is - but the vital and conclusive evidence hasn't been released yet.
It seems like the guy already hired a lawyer.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on September 17, 2009, 09:22:30 AMHim strangling a girl he wasn't involved with because she pissed him off that day seems very odd, but I suppose possible. You'd think he would have had a history of assault charges if he could be set off like that.
Yeah, I suppose, but this is what I was trying to get at earlier (but did not explain very clearly, on re-reading my post). If he is the kind of person capable of that sort of murderous rage, I don't think there needs to be a logical reason that the rest of us can clearly understand and relate to.
Quote from: DGuller on September 17, 2009, 09:28:49 AM
It seems like the guy already hired a lawyer.
Oh no, I'm not doing anything that smacks of
pro bono. :P
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 09:39:34 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on September 17, 2009, 09:22:30 AMHim strangling a girl he wasn't involved with because she pissed him off that day seems very odd, but I suppose possible. You'd think he would have had a history of assault charges if he could be set off like that.
Yeah, I suppose, but this is what I was trying to get at earlier (but did not explain very clearly, on re-reading my post). If he is the kind of person capable of that sort of murderous rage, I don't think there needs to be a logical reason that the rest of us can clearly understand and relate to.
I think you are missing his point a bit - if this was an example of pointless murderous rage, would that not indicate the guy was prone to violent outbursts? And if so, wouldn't he have a criminal record already?
If he lacks a criminal history, that would make it more likely he had a powerful motive (rather than simply having a hair-trigger temper) for being angry at
this particular person.
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 09:45:48 AM
And if so, wouldn't he have a criminal record already?
Six years ago, he was questioned by police after getting into a fight with his high school girlfriend. The girlfriend gave a statement at that time to the police that he had recently forced her to have sex against her will, but then declined to press charges, and the matter was dropped.
It's possible for a person to carry out violent or anti-social behavior for a time without it ending up in criminal convictions.
No, I didn't miss his point... that's what I meant with my "I suppose" response. I'm not sure that we know either way whether he has a history of violent outbursts, just that he has no criminal record associated with such behavior (his record is clean save for a speeding ticket). OTOH some ex-girlfriend went public accusing the guy of raping her several years back, but since she declined to press charges he was never tried for it or anything. If she's telling the truth, I'm sure she feels incredibly guilty right now. :(
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 17, 2009, 09:53:38 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 09:45:48 AM
And if so, wouldn't he have a criminal record already?
Six years ago, he was questioned by police after getting into a fight with his high school girlfriend. The girlfriend gave a statement at that time to the police that he had recently forced her to have sex against her will, but then declined to press charges, and the matter was dropped.
It's possible for a person to carry out violent or anti-social behavior for a time without it ending up in criminal convictions.
:hug:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 17, 2009, 09:53:38 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 09:45:48 AM
And if so, wouldn't he have a criminal record already?
Six years ago, he was questioned by police after getting into a fight with his high school girlfriend. The girlfriend gave a statement at that time to the police that he had recently forced her to have sex against her will, but then declined to press charges, and the matter was dropped.
It's possible for a person to carry out violent or anti-social behavior for a time without it ending up in criminal convictions.
Certainly it is
possible. We are I think discussing
probabilities. The lack of an extensive history of violence (if there is such a lack) simply makes it more
probable that he has some more specific motive for his crime than an argument over lab protocol gone badly wrong - because it is probable that someone who had such poor impulse control would, sometime prior to adulthood, come to the repeated attention of the cops.
There are reports that he was very controlling of his fiancee, but who knows how accurate - or important - that is.
Personally, my guess leans more toward the unrequited love thing. The statement his fiancee put up wasn't that he was having an affair, but rather that he had the hots for someone at the lab. She posted that he was just friendly with everyone.
And because I watch far too many Law & Order-type shows, were it not for the defensive wounds, I'd have blamed the fiancee. She had access to his card, worked there as well so knew the layout, and seems to be a bit of a bitch herself. I could see her killing the Le girl in a fit of rage over a supposed relationship, and doing it in a way to kill the girl and get the guy for it.
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 09:57:44 AM
Certainly it is possible. We are I think discussing probabilities. The lack of an extensive history of violence (if there is such a lack) simply makes it more probable that he has some more specific motive for his crime than an argument over lab protocol gone badly wrong - because it is probable that someone who had such poor impulse control would, sometime prior to adulthood, come to the repeated attention of the cops.
Well, what possible motives would you suggest in this case? I am curious why you think he might have committed this crime in this particular manner.
Not only did the ex high school girlfriend not press charges, she continued to date him after the incident. He just went a bit too far making her love him this time. :cry:
I've changed my opinion to agree with Caliga:
QuotePolice said it was a case of workplace violence, but didn't elaborate.
"It is important to note that this is not about urban crime, university crime, domestic crime but an issue of workplace violence, which is becoming a growing concern around the country," Lewis said.
Quote from: merithyn on September 17, 2009, 10:02:16 AMPersonally, my guess leans more toward the unrequited love thing. The statement his fiancee put up wasn't that he was having an affair, but rather that he had the hots for someone at the lab. She posted that he was just friendly with everyone.
What this theory has going for it are two things that I am aware of:
* Apparently he texted her that morning requesting that they meet to talk about some mice-related shit. I thought it was strange that he would be texting a co-worker on her cell phone, unless they had some relationship outside of work.
* He belonged to some "Asian cultural" group in high school that apparently did stuff like go on trips to Chinatown, cook ethnic Chinese food, and so on. Thus maybe he has a fixation on Asian chicks (seems flimsy, but you never know).
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 10:03:46 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 09:57:44 AM
Certainly it is possible. We are I think discussing probabilities. The lack of an extensive history of violence (if there is such a lack) simply makes it more probable that he has some more specific motive for his crime than an argument over lab protocol gone badly wrong - because it is probable that someone who had such poor impulse control would, sometime prior to adulthood, come to the repeated attention of the cops.
Well, what possible motives would you suggest in this case? I am curious why you think he might have committed this crime in this particular manner.
Pure speculation here, but the fact that both of these people were about to get married to other people is suggestive to me.
I speculate that they either had a sexual relationship, or that he wanted to have a sexual relationship. She rebuffed him (or dumped him) and prepared to marry someone else.
He, a controlling and jealous sort, was pissed by this. He rebounded and was going to marry another, but her rejection of him rankled and festered and was kept alive by the fact that they had to work in close proximity. In short, he wished her nothing but ill, and probably she knew it - he probably put her down, sniped at her. Maybe she sniped back.
That day, they were in the lab together and she said something that really set them to fighting - probably wedding-related, as she was about to get married. Something along the lines of "I'm getting married to a better man than you could ever be". He lashed out at her, verbally or physically; she responded in kind. Soon they were fighting, or more accurately, he was beating on her (she's a small woman). This ended with him strangling her to death.
Now he must have known he was well and truly fucked. He hides the body and cleans up as best he can, but what hope has he? He can't get the body out without it being noticed.
Quote from: merithyn on September 17, 2009, 10:08:59 AM
I've changed my opinion to agree with Caliga:
QuotePolice said it was a case of workplace violence, but didn't elaborate.
"It is important to note that this is not about urban crime, university crime, domestic crime but an issue of workplace violence, which is becoming a growing concern around the country," Lewis said.
What exactly does "workplace violence" mean? i.e. is he equating this with a postal worker shooting up a mail facility?
I dunno. It sounds more likely - with more evidence coming out - that it really was a work-related thing only.
He got pissed that she messed something up - or she got pissed that he did - they got into a fight about it, she didn't back down, and he got violent. He's twice her size and muscular, according to reports. If he just meant to hold her against the wall with his arm across her throat, I could see someone like he appears to be going too far, and then going, "Oh shit!"
The picture coming out about him isn't pretty. He appears to be controlling, somewhat violent with women (rape at 18?), and aggressive. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he went over the edge because she wouldn't back down.
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 10:16:21 AM
Quote from: merithyn on September 17, 2009, 10:08:59 AM
I've changed my opinion to agree with Caliga:
QuotePolice said it was a case of workplace violence, but didn't elaborate.
"It is important to note that this is not about urban crime, university crime, domestic crime but an issue of workplace violence, which is becoming a growing concern around the country," Lewis said.
What exactly does "workplace violence" mean? i.e. is he equating this with a postal worker shooting up a mail facility?
The police statement isn't exactly informative of anything. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 10:13:51 AM
Pure speculation here, but the fact that both of these people were about to get married to other people is suggestive to me.
I speculate that they either had a sexual relationship, or that he wanted to have a sexual relationship. She rebuffed him (or dumped him) and prepared to marry someone else.
He, a controlling and jealous sort, was pissed by this. He rebounded and was going to marry another, but her rejection of him rankled and festered and was kept alive by the fact that they had to work in close proximity. In short, he wished her nothing but ill, and probably she knew it - he probably put her down, sniped at her. Maybe she sniped back.
That day, they were in the lab together and she said something that really set them to fighting - probably wedding-related, as she was about to get married. Something along the lines of "I'm getting married to a better man than you could ever be". He lashed out at her, verbally or physically; she responded in kind. Soon they were fighting, or more accurately, he was beating on her (she's a small woman). This ended with him strangling her to death.
Now he must have known he was well and truly fucked. He hides the body and cleans up as best he can, but what hope has he? He can't get the body out without it being noticed.
I like this theory (and I am 100% sure your last paragraph is accurate), but the problem with is is that the media has, from the beginning, portrayed Ms. Le as a perfect little angel, no doubt fueled by the many people interviewed who claimed she was perfect in every way. If these portrayals are accurate, it seems unlikely that she would have been cheating on her fiancee in a long-term way such as this (they met as undergrads, so well before she was ever at Yale).
Of course, this is often what the media does when someone is victimized: they are portrayed as some quasi-messianic figure. :mellow:
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 10:16:21 AM
What exactly does "workplace violence" mean? i.e. is he equating this with a postal worker shooting up a mail facility?
I read that to mean, "Something that was work-related only."
Quote* Apparently he texted her that morning requesting that they meet to talk about some mice-related shit. I thought it was strange that he would be texting a co-worker on her cell phone, unless they had some relationship outside of work.
:lol:
What decade are you in? Nothing at all odd for colleagues to have each other's cell numbers these days, especially 20-somethings. I bet they were even friends on Facebook. :P
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 10:20:23 AM
I like this theory (and I am 100% sure your last paragraph is accurate), but the problem with is is that the media has, from the beginning, portrayed Ms. Le as a perfect little angel, no doubt fueled by the many people interviewed who claimed she was perfect in every way. If these portrayals are accurate, it seems unlikely that she would have been cheating on her fiancee in a long-term way such as this (they met as undergrads, so well before she was ever at Yale).
Of course, this is often what the media does when someone is victimized: they are portrayed as some quasi-messianic figure. :mellow:
Well, sure, the early reports are going to be based on what her grieving family, fiancee and friends are saying; and that is going to be in the nature of a eulogy.
In any event, it need not be the case that they actually had a relationship - maybe he just
wanted one, and she didn't. Though I suspect there was probably something more.
I would find in a remarkable coincidence that the murder happened just when both parties are getting married, and had nothing to do with their personal lives at all but simply be a case of "lab rat cage rage". ;)
Quote from: Warspite on September 17, 2009, 10:23:54 AM:lol:
What decade are you in? Nothing at all odd for colleagues to have each other's cell numbers these days, especially 20-somethings. I bet they were even friends on Facebook. :P
I would agree if we're talking about two salesmen or something, but I doubt either one of them had a university-supplied phone given the nature of their work. I don't go around handing my personal cell # to co-workers. Then again, I have a corporate Blackberry so have no need to do so. :mellow:
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 10:26:55 AM
I would find in a remarkable coincidence that the murder happened just when both parties are getting married, and had nothing to do with their personal lives at all but simply be a case of "lab rat cage rage". ;)
I agree that it's a remarkable coincidence, but sometimes things are just that: coincidences. ;)
This story now reminds me of the story from my own college. There was some romantic/cheating story between the TA and some Asian chick. One day TA comes armed and sticks a knife in the Asian chick's chest. The Asian chick manages to get away and alert the security. SWAT came in and trapped the guy in his office. Turns out he also had a gun on him, which he eventually used to kill himself. The Asian chick survived, luckily.
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 10:29:24 AM
Quote from: Warspite on September 17, 2009, 10:23:54 AM:lol:
What decade are you in? Nothing at all odd for colleagues to have each other's cell numbers these days, especially 20-somethings. I bet they were even friends on Facebook. :P
I would agree if we're talking about two salesmen or something, but I doubt either one of them had a university-supplied phone given the nature of their work. I don't go around handing my personal cell # to co-workers. Then again, I have a corporate Blackberry so have no need to do so. :mellow:
No, we share numbers quite normally, although that might tie in with most of us being part-time
Quote from: DGuller on September 17, 2009, 10:34:12 AM
This story now reminds me of the story from my own college. There was some romantic/cheating story between the TA and some Asian chick. One day TA comes armed and sticks a knife in the Asian chick's chest. The Asian chick manages to get away and alert the security. SWAT came in and trapped the guy in his office. Turns out he also had a gun on him, which he eventually used to kill himself. The Asian chick survived, luckily.
When I was going to university, I took many courses in East Asian studies. People just
assumed white dudes who took such courses were doing it to meet Asian chicks, and in many cases it was true. :lol: Wasn't true in my case - I like Asian chicks fine, but not moreso than others.
There was a bit of an ugly side to it, as
some guys (a small minority) with a thing for Asian chicks were into them because they liked women who were, as it were, ultra-submissive, and Asian women are, supposedly. Actual real life Asian chicks rarely lived up to the submissive stereotype, however. This sort of thing could lead to trouble.
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 10:29:24 AM
Quote from: Warspite on September 17, 2009, 10:23:54 AM:lol:
What decade are you in? Nothing at all odd for colleagues to have each other's cell numbers these days, especially 20-somethings. I bet they were even friends on Facebook. :P
I would agree if we're talking about two salesmen or something, but I doubt either one of them had a university-supplied phone given the nature of their work. I don't go around handing my personal cell # to co-workers. Then again, I have a corporate Blackberry so have no need to do so. :mellow:
Maybe things are different in the States then. But over here, given the dominance of cell phones as the primary means of communication, numbers are swapped with colleagues.I've got about nine or ten different work related phone numbers. And at university, I had the phone numbers of many people in my study and tutorial groups.
Actually I'm betting it's a generational thing - 90% of these non-friend numbers are still from my peer group.
re the motive.
If theguy did it (and that is a quesiton that it seems likely the evidence will prove), then there was some reason why , but it really doesn't matter. What matters is that he did it
I see no reason to elevate the victim into some paragon, but I am uncomfortable about speculating about the motive in such a way that reflects negatively on the victim's character without very good cause for doing so. The dead can't speak in their own defense.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 17, 2009, 10:53:55 AM
re the motive.
If theguy did it (and that is a quesiton that it seems likely the evidence will prove), then there was some reason why , but it really doesn't matter. What matters is that he did it
I see no reason to elevate the victim into some paragon, but I am uncomfortable about speculating about the motive in such a way that reflects negatively on the victim's character without very good cause for doing so. The dead can't speak in their own defense.
I don't see who is harmed by our speculations. :huh:
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 10:58:22 AM
I don't see who is harmed by our speculations. :huh:
Like how necrophilia is a victimless crime :D
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 17, 2009, 10:53:55 AM
re the motive.
If theguy did it (and that is a quesiton that it seems likely the evidence will prove), then there was some reason why , but it really doesn't matter. What matters is that he did it
I see no reason to elevate the victim into some paragon, but I am uncomfortable about speculating about the motive in such a way that reflects negatively on the victim's character without very good cause for doing so. The dead can't speak in their own defense.
I disagree.
The motive is paramount in murder cases, because it distinguishes between a crime of passion made in the moment and a premeditated, cold-blooded murder, and serves to explain and see the reasons the murderer was pushed to commit an homicide. And right now, we have no information that the douche had premeditated his crime before contacting her and going to the lab.
There is a huge difference between a controlling guy deciding to get rid of a woman he cannot have to teach her a lesson, and a man who committed voluntary manslaughter because the situation went suddenly haywire, the girl provoked him by telling him he had a small dick and that she can vouch personally that every guy in his class has it bigger than him (or something with the same effect in his warped psyche), and he snapped. The only thing that can determine where to classify it is the motive.
To me, the fact that he hid the body in the lab is rather irrelevant to judge his character or his motive. In fact, it is more telling of a crime of passion and post facto improvisation than anything.
Yes, of course, and it's something the defense will no doubt use as an argument that he should not be convicted of first-degree murder.
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 11:41:26 AM
Yes, of course, and it's something the defense will no doubt use as an argument that he should not be convicted of first-degree murder.
Especially that Connecticut has capital punishment, neh?
Quote from: Drakken on September 17, 2009, 11:42:42 AM
Especially that Connecticut has capital punishment, neh?
Yes--the only New England state that actually executes people these days (though IIRC it's extremely rare). I'd think if you were a defendant you'd still want a lesser conviction regardless, though.
Quote from: Brazen on September 17, 2009, 11:00:44 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 10:58:22 AM
I don't see who is harmed by our speculations. :huh:
Like how necrophilia is a victimless crime :D
Necrophilia is wrong primarially because of the effect on the dead person's friends and relations, who are likely to take humping the dead person somewhat amiss.
As far as I know, none of the dead girl's friends and relations are languishistas, and so are most unlikely to be affected by us discussing the motive for the crime. ;)
It's also wrong cause the humper might get mold on his weiner. :(
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 11:41:26 AM
Yes, of course, and it's something the defense will no doubt use as an argument that he should not be convicted of first-degree murder.
Assuming that premeditation is the only marker for first-degree status applicable, I doubt this will qualify. As you pointed out, the stuffing the body behind the wall thing looks on its face like a desperate and doomed attempt to cover up a crime, which isn't generally compatible with premeditation.
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 12:06:08 PM
It's also wrong cause the humper might get mold on his weiner. :(
I can sorta see how that could be analogous to posting on Languish. :D
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 12:09:09 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 12:06:08 PM
It's also wrong cause the humper might get mold on his weiner. :(
I can sorta see how that could be analogous to posting on Languish. :D
:lmfao:
Quote from: Drakken on September 17, 2009, 11:26:13 AM
I disagree.
The motive is paramount in murder cases, because it distinguishes between a crime of passion made in the moment and a premeditated, cold-blooded murder, and serves to explain and see the reasons the murderer was pushed to commit an homicide.
Not relevant. There is no requirement for premeditation to be convicted of murder under the CT penal code.
It is also irrelevant for the purposes of the capital murder statute. The only time motivation is relevant under the CT penal code is where it is murder for hire or if the murder occurs as part of a drug transaction where the motivation is pecuniary gain. I think it is very unlikely that either of these two are in play here.
The one hook for a capital charge here is if it is a "murder committed in the course of the commission of sexual assault in the first degree". However, once again, motivation is irrelevant, only the fact of whether the sexual assault occurred or not.
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 12:04:56 PM
Necrophilia is wrong primarially because of the effect on the dead person's friends and relations, who are likely to take humping the dead person somewhat amiss.
As far as I know, none of the dead girl's friends and relations are languishistas, and so are most unlikely to be affected by us discussing the motive for the crime. ;)
But they may be harmed by the general knowledge that their daughter/fiance/friends is being accused of loose conduct, so my preference is not to participate in such rumormongering.
At least until such point as the facts merit it. :)
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 17, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: Drakken on September 17, 2009, 11:26:13 AM
I disagree.
The motive is paramount in murder cases, because it distinguishes between a crime of passion made in the moment and a premeditated, cold-blooded murder, and serves to explain and see the reasons the murderer was pushed to commit an homicide.
Not relevant. There is no requirement for premeditation to be convicted of murder under the CT penal code.
It is also irrelevant for the purposes of the capital murder statute. The only time motivation is relevant under the CT penal code is where it is murder for hire or if the murder occurs as part of a drug transaction where the motivation is pecuniary gain. I think it is very unlikely that either of these two are in play here.
The one hook for a capital charge here is if it is a "murder committed in the course of the commission of sexual assault in the first degree". However, once again, motivation is irrelevant, only the fact of whether the sexual assault occurred or not.
Ah yes, I forgot that in US States the legal definition of a capital murder differs often from premeditation or even motive, relying instead on the commission of certain additional crimes.
In Canada, except in some circumstances like killing a cop, the definition and penalty for murder depends on premeditation (25 to Life for first-degree murder, 10 to Life for second-degree, etc.)
I knew that the murder laws varied from one state to the next, but I was under the impression that generally they followed this scheme:
first degree murder - premeditated murder
second degree murder - intentional, non-premeditated murder
third degree murder - accidental murder but with intent to harm (i.e. someone dies in a barfight from a freak lethal punch)
Apparently, from a quick review of the wiki article about that, this isn't the case in most states. :huh: It suggests, without laying out specifics in any states but PA and NY, that alot of states only consider a murder first-degree if it involves torture, only if it involves the killing of a federal official, policeman, judge, or other civil servant in the line of duty, and so forth. I had no idea :huh:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 17, 2009, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 12:04:56 PM
Necrophilia is wrong primarially because of the effect on the dead person's friends and relations, who are likely to take humping the dead person somewhat amiss.
As far as I know, none of the dead girl's friends and relations are languishistas, and so are most unlikely to be affected by us discussing the motive for the crime. ;)
But they may be harmed by the general knowledge that their daughter/fiance/friends is being accused of loose conduct, so my preference is not to participate in such rumormongering.
At least until such point as the facts merit it. :)
The facts merit speculation as to the nature of the relationship between the murderer and his victim, insofar as any discussion at all of the case is warranted. How can one meaningfully discuss a crime, without consideration of the motive?
I doubt that the anguish of her friends and relations will be in any way affected by anything we say or do. :)
We are not the authorities. I agree that the authorities should not publicly speculate on such matters, but we are in a different position - private individuals.
Who else isn't surprised Malthus is a heartless bastard?
Yes the usual schema is murder = any killing where there is intent to cause death (however ephemeral).
1st degree/capital muder is then any murder that has some additional aggravating factor that usual relates to some policy objective (discouraging attacks on peace officers, murder for hire, etc). Premediation is not typically a factor anymore in many states.
Quote from: Jaron on September 17, 2009, 12:23:06 PM
Who else isn't surprised Malthus is a heartless bastard lawyer?
:)
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
I knew that the murder laws varied from one state to the next, but I was under the impression that generally they followed this scheme:
first degree murder - premeditated murder
second degree murder - intentional, non-premeditated murder
third degree murder - accidental murder but with intent to harm (i.e. someone dies in a barfight from a freak lethal punch)
Apparently, from a quick review of the wiki article about that, this isn't the case in most states. :huh: It suggests, without laying out specifics in any states but PA and NY, that alot of states only consider a murder first-degree if it involves torture, only if it involves the killing of a federal official, policeman, judge, or other civil servant in the line of duty, and so forth. I had no idea :huh:
In Canada, it is complex.
Murder is "first degree" if it is planned and deliberate. It is also "first degree" if committed against a serving policeman, or in the course of sexual assault and the like - there is a host of offences specifically named.
Quote from: Jaron on September 17, 2009, 12:23:06 PM
Who else isn't surprised Malthus is a heartless bastard?
I want my salsa.
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 10:47:32 AMActual real life Asian chicks rarely lived up to the submissive stereotype, however.
My personal research into the matter supports your conclusion.
As does mine. I have NEVER known an Asian girl who even remotely fits the stereotype.
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 10:47:32 AM
When I was going to university, I took many courses in East Asian studies. People just assumed white dudes who took such courses were doing it to meet Asian chicks
At my university, you had to take certain courses if you wanted to meet white chicks. Celtic Studies and lower division Psych ftw.
Quote from: Jacob on September 17, 2009, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 10:47:32 AMActual real life Asian chicks rarely lived up to the submissive stereotype, however.
My personal research into the matter supports your conclusion.
:D
Anyway, I'm waiting for PETA to make a statement about how we shouldn't be surprised someone who would kill poor little innocent mice is also prone to being a murderer and the former leads to the latter and therefore animal testing ought to be banned.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 17, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: Drakken on September 17, 2009, 11:26:13 AM
I disagree.
The motive is paramount in murder cases, because it distinguishes between a crime of passion made in the moment and a premeditated, cold-blooded murder, and serves to explain and see the reasons the murderer was pushed to commit an homicide.
Not relevant. There is no requirement for premeditation to be convicted of murder under the CT penal code.
It is also irrelevant for the purposes of the capital murder statute. The only time motivation is relevant under the CT penal code is where it is murder for hire or if the murder occurs as part of a drug transaction where the motivation is pecuniary gain. I think it is very unlikely that either of these two are in play here.
The one hook for a capital charge here is if it is a "murder committed in the course of the commission of sexual assault in the first degree". However, once again, motivation is irrelevant, only the fact of whether the sexual assault occurred or not.
What if it turns out to be a "hate crime".
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 17, 2009, 03:20:10 PM
What if it turns out to be a "hate crime".
Doesn't matter.
here are the available factors:
(1) Murder of a member of the Division of State Police . . . [and various other law enforcement and emergency-type persons - a long list]
(2) murder committed by a defendant who is hired to commit the same for pecuniary gain or murder committed by one who is hired by the defendant to commit the same for pecuniary gain
(3) murder committed by one who has previously been convicted of intentional murder or of murder committed in the course of commission of a felony
(4) murder committed by one who was, at the time of commission of the murder, under sentence of life imprisonment
(5) murder by a kidnapper of a kidnapped person during the course of the kidnapping or before such person is able to return or be returned to safety
(6) murder committed in the course of the commission of sexual assault in the first degree
(7) murder of two or more persons at the same time or in the course of a single transaction; or
(8) murder of a person under sixteen years of age.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 17, 2009, 09:53:38 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 09:45:48 AM
And if so, wouldn't he have a criminal record already?
Six years ago, he was questioned by police after getting into a fight with his high school girlfriend. The girlfriend gave a statement at that time to the police that he had recently forced her to have sex against her will, but then declined to press charges, and the matter was dropped.
It's possible for a person to carry out violent or anti-social behavior for a time without it ending up in criminal convictions.
Don't forget this interesting nugget: he was a member of the Asian Awareness group in high school.
Quote from: merithyn on September 17, 2009, 10:02:16 AM
Personally, my guess leans more toward the unrequited love thing.
That's just because you're a hopeless romantic.
I wish my high school had an Asian Awareness club. Why, if I had such a club I might have perhaps been aware that Asians existed! :o
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 06:58:28 PM
I wish my high school had an Asian Awareness club. Why, if I had such a club I might have perhaps been aware that Asians existed! :o
My high school had like 5 different brands of Asian clubs.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2009, 06:51:01 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 17, 2009, 10:02:16 AM
Personally, my guess leans more toward the unrequited love thing.
That's just because you're a hopeless romantic.
:wub:
Quote from: Jacob on September 17, 2009, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 10:47:32 AMActual real life Asian chicks rarely lived up to the submissive stereotype, however.
My personal research into the matter supports your conclusion.
My findings also support this opinion.
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on September 17, 2009, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: Jacob on September 17, 2009, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2009, 10:47:32 AMActual real life Asian chicks rarely lived up to the submissive stereotype, however.
My personal research into the matter supports your conclusion.
My findings also support this opinion.
If you put GHB in their drinks I've heard they are submissive.
Quote from: Warspite on September 17, 2009, 10:23:54 AM
:lol:
What decade are you in? Nothing at all odd for colleagues to have each other's cell numbers these days, especially 20-somethings. I bet they were even friends on Facebook. :P
While I have the cell numbers of many co-workers, there's only one that I've ever texted and that was because we are friends outside of work. Otherwise, I limit contact to phone calls. I would say, from my short time in England, it seemed as though people were more likely to text than call one another (in the college set).
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What decade are you in? Nothing at all odd for colleagues to have each other's cell numbers these days, especially 20-somethings. I bet they were even friends on Facebook. :P
While I have the cell numbers of many co-workers, there's only one that I've ever texted and that was because we are friends outside of work. Otherwise, I limit contact to phone calls. I would say, from my short time in England, it seemed as though people were more likely to text than call one another (in the college set).
is she (or he) hot
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Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 06:58:28 PM
I wish my high school had an Asian Awareness club. Why, if I had such a club I might have perhaps been aware that Asians existed! :o
My high school had like 5 different brands of Asian clubs.
And they all hated each other. ;)
QuoteSafety Will Never Be a Guarantee
By Josh Plotnik
I never thought the death of a graduate student, whom I have never met and who lived more than a thousand miles away, would have such an effect on me personally. But the death of Yale student Annie Le this past week is one of the most unbelievable, single murders ever on a college campus and one that should make us all stop and, again, reconsider.
In a case that has overwhelmingly gripped the nation, Le, a 24-year-old Vietnamese-American studying for her MD/Ph.D. in pharmacology, was murdered last week, presumably inside her laboratory, and then stuffed inside a wall in the laboratory's basement. Video showed Le entering the lab at 10 a.m. last Tuesday, but incredibly, none of the 70 surveillance cameras captured her ever leaving.
Le, by all accounts an intelligent, sweet, gentle woman and hard-working graduate student, was murdered presumably during working hours inside her medical school laboratory. She left behind friends, family, a devastated fiance and an entire country shocked at such a brutal crime. Yesterday, a lab technician that worked in her laboratory building was arrested and charged with murder.
It's difficult to explain why I have become so captivated by this one heinous murder, but as a graduate student myself, it is hard to imagine such a disgusting case happening in what most of us have always thought was a rather safe environment. After all, her laboratory building was highly secure, with cameras focused on all the entrances and multiple access cards and keys required to enter the various areas of the building. Many news organizations reported that the multiple keys needed to gain entrance into the basement where Le was most likely murdered suggest that only a select few could have been in the basement with her at the time of her death; thus, the implication is that her killer was an acquaintance and/or a member of the Yale community.
Simply put, it seems unfortunately apparent that even at an elite university, in broad daylight and in a secure facility, safety should never be assumed. I often work late nights at the new psychology building, and even as a male, I wonder whether or not the small noises I hear in the halls come from the air conditioner or someone who shouldn't be there. How do we protect ourselves if Le, who ironically wrote a Yale magazine column only a few months ago about campus safety and seemed to know exactly how to protect herself, could be murdered in such an unlikely place and time? I wish the answer was simple, but it isn't.
One possible consideration concerns the access card points, which are abundant on our campus. According to the Emory Police Department (EPD), these cards do in fact record information about the user once the card is swiped. Thus, whether you enter a building with a friend or someone you don't know, you should insist that the other person also use their card to gain access to the building. This may sound ridiculous but this is the only way there is an official record of everyone entering the building at a given time. Especially after normal working hours, such a record could be crucial in any criminal investigation. Even if you were not directly involved, information you provide could be important. In addition, EPD offers programs on personal safety for the community, which provide further information on how to stay safe on campus.
In a statement sent to students yesterday, the Yale University President Richard Levin wrote: "We must not let this incident shatter our trust in one another. ... The work of the University requires us to engage with each other in the classroom, to collaborate in the laboratory and to trust one another in workplaces across the campus."
I agree wholeheartedly; many would argue that safety on college campuses is quite good, even at big-city universities, and that changing lifestyles and activities because of a relatively few number of violent crimes simply isn't necessary.
Although clearly not all acts of violence can be prevented — and paranoia is unhealthy — members of the Emory community must, at the very least, remain vigilant. The murder of Annie Le suggests that universities should regularly re-evaluate these talking points and assess whether or not all that is being done to protect their communities is actually being done. Her death was senseless and shockingly horrific, but it has captured the public's attention primarily because it suggests that even in the supposed safety and sterility of a secure university laboratory, no one is ever totally and completely safe.
Josh Plotnik is a sixth-year graduate student in psychology from New York.
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QuoteAlthough clearly not all acts of violence can be prevented — and paranoia is unhealthy — members of the Emory community must, at the very least, remain vigilant. The murder of Annie Le suggests that universities should regularly re-evaluate these talking points and assess whether or not all that is being done to protect their communities is actually being done. Her death was senseless and shockingly horrific, but it has captured the public's attention primarily because it suggests that even in the supposed safety and sterility of a secure university laboratory, no one is ever totally and completely safe.
Heh, sure incidents like this prove that all the safety precautions in the world won't make you 100% safe; but what practically does that mean?
QuoteABC: Clark texted Le to meet at lab on day of killing
ABC News reports that Raymond Clark III, the lab technician charged with killing Yale graduate student Annie Le, sent her a text message on Sept. 8, the day she disappeared, asking Le to meet at the lab to discuss the cleanliness of the cages of the mice, which Le used for her research.
ABC, quoting its sources, says the message said: "We need to meet."
Le, 24, was found stuffed into a recess in a basement wall at the medical research building where they both worked. The Connecticut medical examiner says she died of "traumatic asphyxiation" from being choked.
New Haven police have been tight-lipped about a possible motive in the killing, except to call it an issue of "workplace violence."
Clark, who was not a student, played more of a "custodial role" at the lab, ABC says, adding that, according to unidentified sources, he had "expressed frustration to Le over the dirty cages before."
The 24-year-old former high school athlete was viewed by many co-workers as a "control freak" who often clashed with researchers and considered the mice cages his personal fiefdom, the Associated Press reports. It quoted unidentified law enforcement sources who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because many details of the case remain sealed.
The New York Times says Clark at times grew angry if lab workers did not wear shoe covers. "He would make a big deal of it, instead of just requesting that they wear them," said a researcher who asked not to be identified, The Times reports.
While the police have not indicated a specific motive in the killing, they have told reporters that have collected considerable physical evidence in the case. Clark was arrested one day after he was required to provide a DNA sample.
The Daily News, of New York, quotes unidentified investigators as saying DNA tests showed Le's blood on Clark's boots, which have his name on them. The Hartford Courant reports that Clark's DNA was also found in the crawl space where Le's body was stuffed.
The paper also says police believe that Clark dropped his green ink pen into a crevice at the crime scene. The News says investigators believe that Clark brought wire, fishing hooks and bubble gum to the lab on the day after the killing in an apparent effort to fish out the pen.
WTIC TV, quoting sources "close to the case," say a second arrest in possible in the case and could involve someone helping the killer dispose of Le's body. WTIC provided no additional details.
Aw, how cute. Maybe they can get married in prison. :wub:
From that article, they are making it sound like the killing really *was* all about rodent cage rage.
I guess one lesson is "when the lab tech tells you to clean up your mouse shit, you do it". ;)
QuoteThe News says investigators believe that Clark brought wire, fishing hooks and bubble gum to the lab on the day after the killing in an apparent effort to fish out the pen.
:lmfao:
A real Dexter we got here
Quote from: Malthus on September 18, 2009, 10:15:50 AM
From that article, they are making it sound like the killing really *was* all about rodent cage rage.
I guess one lesson is "when the lab tech tells you to clean up your mouse shit, you do it". ;)
Just goes to show why motive often really isn't that important. ;)
so its just the psycho janitor who did it?
I've seen enough horror and thriller movies to suggest this is likely not the case. :D
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Quote from: Malthus on September 18, 2009, 10:15:50 AM
From that article, they are making it sound like the killing really *was* all about rodent cage rage.
I guess one lesson is "when the lab tech tells you to clean up your mouse shit, you do it". ;)
Just goes to show why motive often really isn't that important. ;)
Not so - goes to show that cleaning up after your experiments
is important. :D
Quote from: Caliga on September 18, 2009, 07:22:10 AM
QuoteSafety Will Never Be a Guarantee
By Josh Plotnik
I never thought the death of a graduate student, whom I have never met and who lived more than a thousand miles away, would have such an effect on me personally. But the death of Yale student Annie Le this past week is one of the most unbelievable, single murders ever on a college campus and one that should make us all stop and, again, reconsider.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Nigga, puhleeze.
QuoteMurder Draped in Ivy
Why the press can't get enough of Harvard or Yale murders.
By Jack Shafer
If you plan to be murdered and expect decent press coverage, please have the good sense to be a Harvard or Yale student or professor. America's top dailies and the cable networks will rush to the scene of the crime and sniff the vicinity for clues to your demise. They'll scrape your personal history and publish enough information to serve as a foundation for a made-for-TV movie about you.
Likewise, if you kill somebody and want the press to go all Nancy Grace on your ass, make sure your victim attends or works at Harvard or Yale. Journalists almost everywhere observe this rough rule of thumb: Three murders at a Midwestern college equal one murder at Harvard or Yale.
The press is currently demonstrating its abiding interest in Ivy League murders as it covers the killing of Yale University graduate student Annie Le, who went missing last week and was discovered on Sept. 13 hidden inside a wall in a campus building where she worked.
The New York Times, one of several Ivy League house organs, has already published five articles about Le's disappearance and murder and the apprehension of suspect Raymond Clark III. The Boston Globe has published at least six stories about the case, and the Washington Post has run at least three briefs from the Associated Press. The Times of London, published five time zones away, can't seem to sate its appetite for Annie Le news. Even the proletarian New York tabloids—the Post and the Daily News—have gone ape for the story.
The press has long thrived on Harvard and Yale murder. Earlier this year, Newsweek, the New York Times, and other publications threw themselves at the murder of Cambridge, Mass., resident Justin Cosby in a Harvard dorm. When Sinedu Tadesse killed her Harvard roommate and hanged herself in 1995, the New York Times printed at least six stories on it; The New Yorker ran long on the crime in a 1996 feature by Melanie Thernstrom. (Doubleday released her book-length account the following year.) See also the 1991 murder of Yale sophomore Christian Prince—or, for that matter, the cold-case slaying of Suzanne Jovin, a Yale senior killed off campus in 1998.* The New York Times Web site has an entire "Times Topics" page on Jovin. Times coverage of the 2001 murders of professors Half Zantrop and Suzanne Zantop also gets its own space in the "Times Topics" parking garage. (They taught at Dartmouth, which as far as I'm concerned is Harvard Lite.)
Defenders of abundant Annie Le coverage will cite special circumstances that make this killing more newsworthy than your garden-variety murder. Le was reported as missing. She was found, on the day she was to be married, in a strange place. Also, the fact that the charged suspect was a "a grunt in the rarefied world of medical research, cleaning lab animals' cages and doing custodial chores," as the New York Times puts it, has given the story town-gown legs.
But every murder is uniquely dramatic; otherwise, CSI would be set in Ivy League towns instead of Las Vegas, Miami, and New York. (Addendum: A reader points out that New York is an Ivy League town. I concede the error, but leave the joke intact.) Had the Le murder happened at, say, Oklahoma State University, you'd have to bribe the night editor of the New York Times with a case of scotch and Hasty Pudding tickets to get him to run a one-inch wire story. Hell, a Stanford murder wouldn't warrant this sort of coverage! All murders are equal; it's just that press treats Harvard and Yale murders as more equal.
I can already hear the special pleaders responding: Harvard and Yale murders deserve special coverage because those universities occupy exceptional places in our national psyche. An inordinate contingent of the American elite is educated and socialized there. Then there's the alleged bellwether effect: Harvard and Yale people will tell you more eyes look to Harvard and Yale on a regular basis than to the nation's Podunk U.'s, which makes them de facto symbols for broader university-life concerns. West Texas State's image won't dim if you get murdered there, but get murdered at Harvard or Yale and you have people all across the country worrying about campus safety. And don't forget the "even at Harvard?" effect: These schools have the reputation for being some of the country's most exclusive ivory towers. Grisly crime stands in disconcerting relief against their vaunted reputations—and the resulting cognitive dissonance has news weight. By this logic, anything out of the ordinary that happens at Harvard or Yale—from a murder to the arrest of one of its scholars for disorderly conduct—is "newsworthy." At Slate, no Harvard or Yale story proposal will ever be laughed out of a story meeting, no matter how mundane.
The elite press and the tabloid press (in which I include cable populists such as Greta Van Susteren) approach Ivy murder from different angles.* Members of the elite press identify with Harvard and Yale—even if they didn't go there. They may work for someone who went, or wish they'd gone, or hope their children go. The same applies to many Times readers, pre-selling the story on both the supply and demand sides. The murder-happy tabloid press, on the other hand, has always taken special joy in showcasing the pain of the high-and-mighty.
The gap between elite and tabloid narrows every time bad things happen to privileged people. The difference is that tabloids never stop to justify or explain their prurient interest. If this how-the-mighty-fall stuff is your sort of story—and I'm thinking it is, since you've read to the end of this piece—don't bother with the Times. The emotional ride you seek is hawking tickets right now at the Daily News and Post.
I'm a bit depressed that nobody got my joke. :(
Quote from: garbon on September 18, 2009, 12:14:53 AM
While I have the cell numbers of many co-workers, there's only one that I've ever texted and that was because we are friends outside of work. Otherwise, I limit contact to phone calls. I would say, from my short time in England, it seemed as though people were more likely to text than call one another (in the college set).
My co-worker made me text her this weekend to let her know when I was finished with the report! :o
Quote from: Malthus on September 18, 2009, 10:15:50 AM
From that article, they are making it sound like the killing really *was* all about rodent cage rage.
I guess one lesson is "when the lab tech tells you to clean up your mouse shit, you do it". ;)
This guy being such a difficult person, control freak, and what ever else reported by the lab workers, I have to be a bit surprised that he wasn't fired from the job. He wasn't a student, but some kind of care taker. And he had issues, like being hyper sensitive over dirty cages, which may not have been all that dirty except to him.
That said, there had to be other reasons besides dirty cages for him to kill. He may have made advances on the woman, he had been in an Asian club, might have had some fixation with her. And took out his frustrations over her directed at the cages, to some extent.
Quote from: KRonn on September 21, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 18, 2009, 10:15:50 AM
From that article, they are making it sound like the killing really *was* all about rodent cage rage.
I guess one lesson is "when the lab tech tells you to clean up your mouse shit, you do it". ;)
This guy being such a difficult person, control freak, and what ever else reported by the lab workers, I have to be a bit surprised that he wasn't fired from the job. He wasn't a student, but some kind of care taker. And he had issues, like being hyper sensitive over dirty cages, which may not have been all that dirty except to him.
Union.
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Quote from: garbon on September 18, 2009, 12:14:53 AM
While I have the cell numbers of many co-workers, there's only one that I've ever texted and that was because we are friends outside of work. Otherwise, I limit contact to phone calls. I would say, from my short time in England, it seemed as though people were more likely to text than call one another (in the college set).
My co-worker made me text her this weekend to let her know when I was finished with the report! :o
If your body is found stuffed behind a wall, we'll draw the attention of the police to this post. :)
Quote from: Malthus on September 21, 2009, 02:27:42 PM
If your body is found stuffed behind a wall, we'll draw the attention of the police to this post. :)
I would advise against it. I'm sure police officers see a lot of stuff on their day job, but nothing can prepare you for Languish.
Quote from: Malthus on September 21, 2009, 02:27:42 PM
If your body is found stuffed behind a wall, we'll draw the attention of the police to this post. :)
Thanks for always having my back.
Quote from: KRonn on September 21, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
This guy being such a difficult person, control freak, and what ever else reported by the lab workers, I have to be a bit surprised that he wasn't fired from the job. He wasn't a student, but some kind of care taker. And he had issues, like being hyper sensitive over dirty cages, which may not have been all that dirty except to him.
That said, there had to be other reasons besides dirty cages for him to kill. He may have made advances on the woman, he had been in an Asian club, might have had some fixation with her. And took out his frustrations over her directed at the cages, to some extent.
No, there doesn't need to be other reasons. Something I'm constantly reminded of in looking at my files is that people do some really inexplicable stuff for completely bizarre reasons. :huh:
Quote from: Barrister on September 21, 2009, 03:18:56 PM
No, there doesn't need to be other reasons. Something I'm constantly reminded of in looking at my files is that people do some really inexplicable stuff for completely bizarre reasons. :huh:
Agree. People want this to have a Hollywood plot... but it just doesn't.
Quote from: KRonn on September 21, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
That said, there had to be other reasons besides dirty cages for him to kill. He may have made advances on the woman, he had been in an Asian club, might have had some fixation with her. And took out his frustrations over her directed at the cages, to some extent.
Or, like so many over-educated high-maintenance Asian chicks, she was incredibly bitchy and probably never shut her fucking mouth. Ever.
Yeah, I had a workstudy student who looked almost exactly like her (except, as she was Chinese, she had paler skin) and had a similar biography. Complete motormouth. She also did that upspeak Valley Girl shit. :bleeding:
Quote from: Caliga on September 22, 2009, 07:24:47 AM
Yeah, I had a workstudy student who looked almost exactly like her (except, as she was Chinese, she had paler skin) and had a similar biography. Complete motormouth. She also did that upspeak Valley Girl shit. :bleeding:
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A while back while I was bored, I looked up Futurama porn.
I have not watched enough Futurama to remember anything about that character. :Embarrass:
The only characters I can recall details about are Fry, Leela, Bender, and Dr. Zoidberg.
Quote from: Caliga on September 22, 2009, 09:44:29 AM
I have not watched enough Futurama to remember anything about that character. :Embarrass:
The only characters I can recall details about are Fry, Leela, Bender, and Dr. Zoidberg.
Futurama isn't as good as the nerds say it is.
IIRC Futurama is one of those shows that I watched and thought "Hee hee, that's clever" the entire time but rarely or never actually laughed at. Monty Python stuff is exactly the same for me. -_-
Quote from: Caliga on September 22, 2009, 10:10:59 AM
IIRC Futurama is one of those shows that I watched and thought "Hee hee, that's clever" the entire time but rarely or never actually laughed at. Monty Python stuff is exactly the same for me. -_-
I recently bought the entire Monty python set(46 bucks), and it just isn't as funny as it used to be either.
The inner geek in me has been sentenced to the gulag of the spleen. :weep:
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 22, 2009, 10:12:45 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 22, 2009, 10:10:59 AM
IIRC Futurama is one of those shows that I watched and thought "Hee hee, that's clever" the entire time but rarely or never actually laughed at. Monty Python stuff is exactly the same for me. -_-
I recently bought the entire Monty python set(46 bucks), and it just isn't as funny as it used to be either.
The inner geek in me has been sentenced to the gulag of the spleen. :weep:
THe problem with Monty Python is that they were funny because they were so fresh - nothing like them had been seen or heard before, except perhaps the Goon Show on radio. The problem is that now, if you watch them, their style has become so integral to comedy that it seems stale and no longer laugh-out-loud funny.
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Quote from: Ed Anger on September 22, 2009, 10:12:45 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 22, 2009, 10:10:59 AM
IIRC Futurama is one of those shows that I watched and thought "Hee hee, that's clever" the entire time but rarely or never actually laughed at. Monty Python stuff is exactly the same for me. -_-
I recently bought the entire Monty python set(46 bucks), and it just isn't as funny as it used to be either.
The inner geek in me has been sentenced to the gulag of the spleen. :weep:
THe problem with Monty Python is that they were funny because they were so fresh - nothing like them had been seen or heard before, except perhaps the Goon Show on radio. The problem is that now, if you watch them, their style has become so integral to comedy that it seems stale and no longer laugh-out-loud funny.
WHERE WAS YOU 3 WEEKS AGO TO WARN ME?
Quote from: Warspite on September 22, 2009, 10:15:24 AM
THe problem with Monty Python is that they were funny because they were so fresh - nothing like them had been seen or heard before, except perhaps the Goon Show on radio. The problem is that now, if you watch them, their style has become so integral to comedy that it seems stale and no longer laugh-out-loud funny.
Makes sense. OTOH I still find some Three Stooges shorts laugh-out-loud funny. The best one is the one when they decide to go fishing. :lol:
Stooges now, I'd pay to have all those on DVD. The Curly and Shemp ones. CURLY JOE CAN GO TO HELL.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 22, 2009, 10:21:24 AM
Stooges now, I'd pay to have all those on DVD. The Curly and Shemp ones. CURLY JOE CAN GO TO HELL.
:cool: When Curly Joe was with the troupe I refer to them as The Gay Stooges.
Quote from: Caliga on September 22, 2009, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Warspite on September 22, 2009, 10:15:24 AM
THe problem with Monty Python is that they were funny because they were so fresh - nothing like them had been seen or heard before, except perhaps the Goon Show on radio. The problem is that now, if you watch them, their style has become so integral to comedy that it seems stale and no longer laugh-out-loud funny.
Makes sense. OTOH I still find some Three Stooges shorts laugh-out-loud funny. The best one is the one when they decide to go fishing. :lol:
The "water letter outer". Boat is leaking - make a hole to let the water out. :D
The best was when they spilled red paint on their white flag. :)
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 22, 2009, 10:04:09 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 22, 2009, 09:44:29 AM
I have not watched enough Futurama to remember anything about that character. :Embarrass:
The only characters I can recall details about are Fry, Leela, Bender, and Dr. Zoidberg.
Futurama isn't as good as the nerds say it is.
Lies. :angry:
I wasn't really pleased with a lot of the futurama movies. But the show was funny. I liked the episode where they went to Roswell.
Quote from: Razgovory on September 22, 2009, 02:13:27 PM
I wasn't really pleased with a lot of the futurama movies. But the show was funny. I liked the episode where they went to Roswell.
The movies were strained because they tried to be both feature-length movies, and able to be chopped into 22-minute episodes. They were funny, but the pacing was very awkward.
The show itself is funny as balls.
Quote from: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 22, 2009, 10:04:09 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 22, 2009, 09:44:29 AM
I have not watched enough Futurama to remember anything about that character. :Embarrass:
The only characters I can recall details about are Fry, Leela, Bender, and Dr. Zoidberg.
Futurama isn't as good as the nerds say it is.
Lies. :angry:
Only good episodes are the worms in fry, Nixon for president and the Roswell episode Raz mentions.
And maybe the one with the Hawkeye Mash bot.
I've yet to see The Beast with a Billion Backs.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 22, 2009, 03:19:03 PM
I've yet to see The Beast with a Billion Backs.
Personally, I wouldn't bother. I watched it one day on the Comedy channel.
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A while back while I was bored, I looked up Futurama porn.
And you're not going to provide links to any good stuff you found to you Languish buddies?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 22, 2009, 03:19:03 PM
I've yet to see The Beast with a Billion Backs.
If you're smart you can keep it that way.
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A while back while I was bored, I looked up Futurama porn.
And you're not going to provide links to any good stuff you found to you Languish buddies?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Futurama+Porn
Excuse me, but can we get this thread back to dead bossy Asian chicks already?
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 22, 2009, 10:21:24 AM
Stooges now, I'd pay to have all those on DVD. The Curly and Shemp ones. CURLY JOE CAN GO TO HELL.
This is such a boy thing. I've tried to understand the humor of the Three Stooges, but I just don't get it. It's... dumb.
Princesca agrees with you. :)
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2009, 07:11:51 AM
Princesca agrees with you. :)
I think every female ever agrees with her, sadly enough.
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE
The suspect, Raymond Clark, pled guilty to murder and attempted sexual assault today. Will receive a 44 year jail sentence as part of the plea bargain.
He has so much to look forward to!
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 12:35:26 PM
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE
The suspect, Raymond Clark, pled guilty to murder and attempted sexual assault today. Will receive a 44 year jail sentence as part of the plea bargain.
how is that a bargain for him?
Quote from: viper37 on March 17, 2011, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 12:35:26 PM
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE
The suspect, Raymond Clark, pled guilty to murder and attempted sexual assault today. Will receive a 44 year jail sentence as part of the plea bargain.
how is that a bargain for him?
Might have gotten a life sentence if found guilty in a court trial. Plea bargain is a legal term for a suspect entering some type of guilty plea, rather than going through a full court trial. Often it's done in hopes of a reduced sentence.
Wouldn't he have been eligible for the death penalty as well?
Quote from: KRonn on March 17, 2011, 01:41:11 PM
Might have gotten a life sentence if found guilty in a court trial. Plea bargain is a legal term for a suspect entering some type of guilty plea, rather than going through a full court trial. Often it's done in hopes of a reduced sentence.
ah, I though it was a pre-agreement with the DA in exchange for a reduced sentance. I just failed to see how he could get worst than 44 years. Fuck, if I was a criminal, I'd prefer the death penalty over 44 years of confinement.
I agree, but alot of these guys are cowards I guess.
Quote from: viper37 on March 17, 2011, 02:40:08 PM
Quote from: KRonn on March 17, 2011, 01:41:11 PM
Might have gotten a life sentence if found guilty in a court trial. Plea bargain is a legal term for a suspect entering some type of guilty plea, rather than going through a full court trial. Often it's done in hopes of a reduced sentence.
ah, I though it was a pre-agreement with the DA in exchange for a reduced sentance. I juste failed to see how he could get worst than 44 years. Fuck, if I was a criminal, I'd prefer the death penalty over 44 years of confinement.
:huh: That's what it is.
Quote from: viper37 on March 17, 2011, 02:40:08 PM
Quote from: KRonn on March 17, 2011, 01:41:11 PM
Might have gotten a life sentence if found guilty in a court trial. Plea bargain is a legal term for a suspect entering some type of guilty plea, rather than going through a full court trial. Often it's done in hopes of a reduced sentence.
ah, I though it was a pre-agreement with the DA in exchange for a reduced sentance. I juste failed to see how he could get worst than 44 years. Fuck, if I was a criminal, I'd prefer the death penalty over 44 years of confinement.
No way. Prison would suck, but it's gotta beat being dead.
Quote from: DGuller on March 17, 2011, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 17, 2011, 02:40:08 PM
Quote from: KRonn on March 17, 2011, 01:41:11 PM
Might have gotten a life sentence if found guilty in a court trial. Plea bargain is a legal term for a suspect entering some type of guilty plea, rather than going through a full court trial. Often it's done in hopes of a reduced sentence.
ah, I though it was a pre-agreement with the DA in exchange for a reduced sentance. I juste failed to see how he could get worst than 44 years. Fuck, if I was a criminal, I'd prefer the death penalty over 44 years of confinement.
:huh: That's what it is.
But Kronn indicated is simply entered a guilty plea, no guarantee of the sentence. What more could he get, 88 years in jail if he pled not guilty and was found guilty by a jury?
Quote from: Barrister on March 17, 2011, 02:42:16 PM
No way. Prison would suck, but it's gotta beat being dead.
Personal choice.
But as I'm not ready to do the time, I don't do the crime ;)
Quote from: viper37 on March 17, 2011, 02:48:09 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 17, 2011, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 17, 2011, 02:40:08 PM
Quote from: KRonn on March 17, 2011, 01:41:11 PM
Might have gotten a life sentence if found guilty in a court trial. Plea bargain is a legal term for a suspect entering some type of guilty plea, rather than going through a full court trial. Often it's done in hopes of a reduced sentence.
ah, I though it was a pre-agreement with the DA in exchange for a reduced sentance. I juste failed to see how he could get worst than 44 years. Fuck, if I was a criminal, I'd prefer the death penalty over 44 years of confinement.
:huh: That's what it is.
But Kronn indicated is simply entered a guilty plea, no guarantee of the sentence. What more could he get, 88 years in jail if he pled not guilty and was found guilty by a jury?
Sometimes a plea can be made to a lesser charge, getting fewer years. I guess it didn't work out well in this case. My understanding is sometimes an agreement can be made for a shorter prison term, but in this case he must still have plead guilty to a heavy crime resulting in that prison term.
Is that 44 years without chance for parole?
Or it that 44 year, out in 20 if you keep your nose clean and promise not to murder/rape too much anymore?
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2009, 08:24:33 AM
I very much doubt it.
I think it's simpler than some people are speculating about. The guy was a blowhard asshole, and was used to pushing the lab researchers around. Apparently he had yelled at her about shit before and she was like "ok, sorry". He probably decided to yell at her again that day for some minor infraction, but because she was under all the wedding stress she was like "fuck you" this time and maybe she even slapped him or something, which set him off. He probably didn't intend to strangle her to death but maybe once he laid hands on her he couldn't control his rage and after he realized what he'd done he did his best to cover his tracks.
I can't believe this was premeditated unless the guy's IQ was like 70. He made no effort to disguise his movements within the building prior to the killing and he had to have known that *eventually* her body would be located, especially once it started to decompose and stink. I think he killed her in a fit of rage and probably didn't rape her or anything.
Whoops, I was wrong about the "probably didn't rape her" part. :Embarrass:
Really? I thought it was just murder.
Did he rape her before, while, or after he strangled her?
Psst, guys- plea bargain is one form of waiver to a jury trial. You can waive your right to a jury trial without expecting a reduced sentence in return- felony respondents tend not to do it so often, though, because the jury actually improves their chances. ;)
Recap: every plea bargain is a jury trial waiver- not every jury trial waiver is a plea bargain. :cheers:
It doesn't happen very often, but I love it when a defence lawyer calls me up about a deal for his client, and I go "Deal? There is no deal here. We have a rock solid case. We expect your client to plead guilty to every charge he is facing, and we will seek the highist punishment we can get." :menace:
Shut up, Machiavelli.
Beeb: http://youlose.ytmnd.com/ (http://youlose.ytmnd.com/)
People still use ytmnd and still find it funny?
I just went there now because I knew the Wonka clip I wanted would be on there. I hadn't looked at it in probably six months prior to this.
Quote from: The Brain on March 17, 2011, 04:14:44 PM
Shut up, Machiavelli.
I just got a statement from an accused person in a stabbing.
First line is "So did you talk to your lawyer"?
Second line is "yeah, he told me not to say anything".
Then I look down, and see the transcript goes on for 13 pages... :D
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 05:45:15 PM
I just went there now because I knew the Wonka clip I wanted would be on there. I hadn't looked at it in probably six months prior to this.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fprofile.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhprofile-ak-snc4%2F41592_249244892176_6138727_n.jpg&hash=b88da3767b5a051a6aa69ceb159053e37fbd9e72)
5 seconds, google image search.
I wanted the damn sound, too. GET OFF MY BACK COLONEL KLINK.
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 05:49:36 PM
I wanted the damn sound, too. GET OFF MY BACK COLONEL KLINK.
TO THE COOLER!
I'm grumpy because I didn't get my goddamn Shamrock Shake today. :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 05:51:50 PM
I'm grumpy because I didn't get my goddamn Shamrock Shake today. :mad:
I'm grumpy because some fuckhead broke into my shed.
Quote from: Barrister on March 17, 2011, 05:46:46 PM
Quote from: The Brain on March 17, 2011, 04:14:44 PM
Shut up, Machiavelli.
I just got a statement from an accused person in a stabbing.
First line is "So did you talk to your lawyer"?
Second line is "yeah, he told me not to say anything".
Then I look down, and see the transcript goes on for 13 pages... :D
:lmfao: I wish the adversaries at my work were that stupid.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 17, 2011, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 05:51:50 PM
I'm grumpy because I didn't get my goddamn Shamrock Shake today. :mad:
I'm grumpy because some fuckhead broke into my shed.
:mad:
I hope they didn't take/break anything valuable.
Quote from: Barrister on March 17, 2011, 05:46:46 PM
Quote from: The Brain on March 17, 2011, 04:14:44 PM
Shut up, Machiavelli.
I just got a statement from an accused person in a stabbing.
First line is "So did you talk to your lawyer"?
Second line is "yeah, he told me not to say anything".
Then I look down, and see the transcript goes on for 13 pages... :D
Criminals suck.
Quote from: Barrister on March 17, 2011, 04:13:02 PM
It doesn't happen very often, but I love it when a defence lawyer calls me up about a deal for his client, and I go "Deal? There is no deal here. We have a rock solid case. We expect your client to plead guilty to every charge he is facing, and we will seek the highist punishment we can get." :menace:
Thankfully, here, crown prosecutors have too much work to do, so I can convince them to reduce my speeding tickets to avoid a day in court :D