While having an actual transition of power can only be a good thing for Japanese democracy, I'm not a huge fan of its proposed policies. They're also somewhat behind the times: change is out now, and disillusionment is in. In any event:
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TOKYO - Japan's ruling party conceded a crushing defeat Sunday after 54 years of nearly unbroken rule as voters were poised to hand the opposition a landslide victory in nationwide elections, driven by economic anxiety and a powerful desire for change.
The left-of-center Democratic Party of Japan was set to win 300 or more of the 480 seats in the lower house of parliament, ousting the Liberal Democrats, who have governed Japan for all but 11 months since 1955, according to exit polls by all major Japanese TV networks.
"These results are very severe," Prime Minister Taro Aso said in a news conference at party headquarters, conceding his party was headed for a big loss. "There has been a deep dissatisfaction with our party."
Aso said he would have to accept responsibility for the results, suggesting that he would resign as party president. Other LDP leaders also said they would step down, though official results were not to be released until early Monday morning.
The loss by the Liberal Democrats — traditionally a pro-business, conservative party — would open the way for the Democratic Party, headed by Yukio Hatoyama, to replace Aso and establish a new Cabinet, possibly within the next few weeks.
The vote was seen as a barometer of frustrations over Japan's worst economic slump since World War II and a loss of confidence in the ruling Liberal Democrats' ability to tackle tough problems such as the rising national debt and rapidly aging population.
Populist platform
The Democrats have embraced a more populist platform, promising handouts for families with children and farmers and a higher minimum wage.
"The nation is very angry with the ruling party, and we are grateful for their deep support," Hatoyama said after the polls closed. "We will not be arrogant and we will listen to the people."
The Democrats have also said they will seek a more independent relationship with Washington, while forging closer ties with Japan's Asian neighbors, including China. But Hatoyama, who holds a doctorate in engineering from Stanford University, insists he will not seek dramatic change in Japan's foreign policy, saying the U.S.-Japan alliance would "continue to be the cornerstone of Japanese diplomatic policy."
National broadcaster NHK, using projections based on exit polls of roughly 400,000 voters, said the Democratic Party was set to win 300 seats and the Liberal Democrats only about 100. TV Asahi, another major network, said the Democratic Party would win 315 seats, up from the 112 seats it held before parliament was dissolved in July.
As voting closed Sunday night, officials said turnout was high, despite an approaching typhoon, indicating the intense level of public interest in the hotly contested campaigns.
"We've worked so hard to achieve a leadership change and that has now become almost certain thanks to the support of many voters," said Yoshihiko Noda, a senior member of the DPJ. "We feel a strong sense of responsibility to achieve each of our campaign promises."
Even before the vote was over, the Democrats pounded the ruling party for driving the country into a ditch.
Aging population
Japan's unemployment has spiked to record 5.7 percent while deflation has intensified and families have cut spending because they are insecure about the future.
Making the situation more dire is Japan's aging demographic — which means more people are on pensions and there is a shrinking pool of taxpayers to support them and other government programs.
"The ruling party has betrayed the people over the past four years, driving the economy to the edge of a cliff, building up more than 6 trillion yen ($64.1 billion) in public debt, wasting money, ruining our social security net and widening the gap between the rich and poor," the Democratic Party said in a statement as voting began Sunday.
"We will change Japan," it said.
The Democratic Party would only need to win a simple majority of 241 seats in the lower house to assure that it can name the next prime minister. The 300-plus level would allow it and its two smaller allies the two-thirds majority they need in the lower house to pass bills.
Many voters said that although the Democrats are largely untested in power and doubts remain about whether they will be able to deliver on their promises, the country needs a change.
"We don't know if the Democrats can really make a difference, but we want to give them a chance," Junko Shinoda, 59, a government employee, said after voting at a crowded polling center in downtown Tokyo.
Having the Democrats in power would smooth policy debates in parliament, which has been deadlocked since the Democrats and their allies took over the less powerful upper house in 2007.
With only two weeks of official campaigning that focused mainly on broadstroke appeals rather than specific policies, many analysts said the elections were not so much about issues as voters' general desire for something new after more than a half century under the Liberal Democrats.
The Democrats are proposing toll-free highways, free high schools, income support for farmers, monthly allowances for job seekers in training, a higher minimum wage and tax cuts. The estimated bill comes to 16.8 trillion yen ($179 billion) if fully implemented starting in fiscal year 2013.
Aso — whose own support ratings have sagged to a dismal 20 percent — repeatedly stressed his party led Japan's rise from the ashes of World War II into one of the world's biggest economic powers and are best equipped to get it out of its current morass.
In the end, voter worries about the economy and disenchantment with the LDP's long grip on power proved too much to overcome.
"It's revolutionary," said Tomoaki Iwai, a political science professor at Tokyo's Nihon University. "It's the first real change of government" Japan has had in six decades.
Also: :nelson @ Ichiro Ozawa.
Well, finally Japan joins the democratic nations in having a real funtioning democracy.
Quote from: Siege on August 30, 2009, 11:44:47 AM
Well, finally Japan joins the democratic nations in having a real funtioning democracy.
Still waiting on Israel to end Apartheid and join the 20th century.
Come now. The Democratic Party doesn't have the muscle or the inclination to reform Japan. The LDP will be back inside of two votes, and probably after the next one.
Inclination, they have, Neil. But muscle? there I'd say you are right. But there is no such thing as rapid change in Japan to start with. Nothing except earthquakes and new tentacle porn happens overnight.
likely they will make some small moves, hopefully in the right direction. but they may just bung it up worse. I'd say it's a crapshoot either way. It'll take just as long for the post bubble crash to end as it took for the bubble to get to the point it burst (30 years... more than half way through. Japan will be fine by 2020 or so.
Quote from: Fireblade on August 30, 2009, 12:04:58 PM
Still waiting on Israel to end Apartheid and join the 20th century.
You're right. They never should have forcibly removed those Jews in the Gaza Strip.
Quote from: Kleves on August 30, 2009, 11:33:17 AM
They're also somewhat behind the times: change is out now, and disillusionment is in.
On this board disillusionment is never out.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 30, 2009, 01:25:24 PM
Inclination, they have, Neil. But muscle? there I'd say you are right. But there is no such thing as rapid change in Japan to start with. Nothing except earthquakes and new tentacle porn happens overnight.
likely they will make some small moves, hopefully in the right direction. but they may just bung it up worse. I'd say it's a crapshoot either way. It'll take just as long for the post bubble crash to end as it took for the bubble to get to the point it burst (30 years... more than half way through. Japan will be fine by 2020 or so.
Judging from their platform, they don't have anything helpful planned. They're a party who has been in opposition for so long that they don't actually have any ideas on how to govern. Their entire ethos is appealing to people enough to try and win an election.
It's hard to say how Japan will recover, since they're such an abnormal economy anyways. They stil have a big problem in the future when their the government's thirst to borrow exceeds the Japanese public's savings.
The Japs should have elected this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOuumGX-6uc
Quote from: Neil on August 30, 2009, 12:53:31 PM
Come now. The Democratic Party doesn't have the muscle or the inclination to reform Japan. The LDP will be back inside of two votes, and probably after the next one.
How cynical. Here we have a party with large majorities in both houses, control of the executive following an extraordinarily unpopular leader, and a platform that promises significant change. How on earth could they screw it up?
Aso was a big fan of magna, so this is pretty much a personal defeat for Tim.
Quote from: Kleves on August 30, 2009, 03:47:21 PM
Aso was a big fan of magna, so this is pretty much a personal defeat for Tim.
Manga Carta?
Very unexpected stuff.
Weird its took this long. Damn anti-democratic Japanese.
Quote from: Kleves on August 30, 2009, 03:47:21 PM
Aso was a big fan of magna, so this is pretty much a personal defeat for Tim.
All Japanese enjoy manga, to one degree or another. It's like the comics page in the newspaper here: Nobody outright hates it.
Quote from: Tyr on August 30, 2009, 03:56:31 PM
Very unexpected stuff.
Weird its took this long. Damn anti-democratic Japanese.
In times of great upheaval, it's not uncommon for a non-LDP type to enjoy a brief premiership.
Given that they have elections and all that, I don't think you can really call them anti-democratic. Which is a shame, because democracy has failed.
Quote from: Tyr on August 30, 2009, 03:56:31 PM
Very unexpected stuff.
Weird its took this long. Damn anti-democratic Japanese.
It happened about 10-15 years ago, but the LDP was back in power after 10 months. Its weird how all the newspapers (Except The Economist) keep forgetting that this isn't the first time LDP has been out of power.
Though in this case, the opposition won by a much bigger margin, so they may well stay in for longer this time.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 31, 2009, 01:06:16 AM
Quote from: Tyr on August 30, 2009, 03:56:31 PM
Very unexpected stuff.
Weird its took this long. Damn anti-democratic Japanese.
It happened about 10-15 years ago, but the LDP was back in power after 10 months. Its weird how all the newspapers (Except The Economist) keep forgetting that this isn't the first time LDP has been out of power.
Though in this case, the opposition won by a much bigger margin, so they may well stay in for longer this time.
That time was different. The LDP was ousted by a coalition of like 8 small-medium parties, each with very different agendas. The LDP remained the largest party, with many more seats than the next largest party. The coalition fell apart very quickly.
This time the LDP is crushed by a single party, and it lost a ton of seats.
You guys checked the cooky parties that contended in this elections? There are some real gems out there. :lol:
Quote from: Tyr on August 30, 2009, 03:56:31 PM
Very unexpected stuff.
Weird its took this long. Damn anti-democratic Japanese.
I don't see how you can call them anti-democratic when they've consistently had free fair elections, Japan is not Singapore and the LDP is not the PAP.
Quote from: Tyr on August 30, 2009, 03:56:31 PM
Very unexpected stuff.
Weird its took this long. Damn anti-democratic Japanese.
Huh, Sweden has bee run by SAP thoroughly for the last hundred years, save for four governments since 1976, and no one would prend that Sweden wasn't democratic. :blink:
Quote from: Drakken on August 31, 2009, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: Tyr on August 30, 2009, 03:56:31 PM
Very unexpected stuff.
Weird its took this long. Damn anti-democratic Japanese.
Huh, Sweden has been more or less run by SAP thoroughly for the last hundred years, save for four governments, and no one would prend that Sweden isn't democratic. :blink:
Jos has a bit of a double standard. If a party of the centre or right wins successive elections, it is anti-democratic. If a left-wing party does the same, it is the will of the people.
Jos is a bit of an idiot. Then again, he's from the coal-mining parts of Britain, so it's a wonder he can use a computer.
Quote from: Drakken on August 31, 2009, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: Tyr on August 30, 2009, 03:56:31 PM
Very unexpected stuff.
Weird its took this long. Damn anti-democratic Japanese.
Huh, Sweden has bee run by SAP thoroughly for the last hundred years, save for four governments since 1976, and no one would prend that Sweden wasn't democratic. :blink:
So for 16 of the last 33 years there have been non-Labour governments?
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"The ruling party has betrayed the people over the past four years, driving the economy to the edge of a cliff, building up more than 6 trillion yen ($64.1 billion) in public debt, wasting money, ruining our social security net and widening the gap between the rich and poor," the Democratic Party said in a statement as voting began Sunday.
"And we're gonna do exactly the same thing, only faster!"
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 31, 2009, 11:52:33 AM
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"The ruling party has betrayed the people over the past four years, driving the economy to the edge of a cliff, building up more than 6 trillion yen ($64.1 billion) in public debt, wasting money, ruining our social security net and widening the gap between the rich and poor," the Democratic Party said in a statement as voting began Sunday.
"And we're gonna do exactly the same thing, only faster!"
Equality is more important than a functioning economy. It's alright to go back to stone-age barbarism, so long as we all go together.