Poll
Question:
Dwarves or elves?
Option 1: Dwarves!
votes: 13
Option 2: Elves!
votes: 18
Option 3: Hobbits/Gnomes
votes: 5
Option 4: Trolls
votes: 7
I've found myself reading Forgotten Realms again lately for some reason...So here.
No half Orcs. :mad:
I pretty much hate elves, orcs, dwarves or whatever in fantasy nowadays.
Why is it that elves live for over a thousand years, are supposed to be naturally adept at magic, but cannot advance beyond 11th level as a Wizard?
Quote from: Savonarola on August 26, 2009, 02:36:57 PM
Why is it that elves live for over a thousand years, are supposed to be naturally adept at magic, but cannot advance beyond 11th level as a Wizard?
because they are gay.
gay's are level limited.
And why were all the races unlimited in the thief class? A dwarf fighter could never leave middle management and get his own keep; but if he had turned to a life of crime as a young dwarf the sky was the limit.
Yeah, level limits between races were just messed up.
Dwarven thieves really should have been severely limited though. They're supposed to be big beefy blunt chaps!
Dwarves.
Elves deserve to be genocided.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 26, 2009, 02:36:57 PM
Why is it that elves live for over a thousand years, are supposed to be naturally adept at magic, but cannot advance beyond 11th level as a Wizard?
They are the UHBs of the fantasy universe. Talented but fated to underachieve.
voted gnomes, who should be broken out of hobbits. way underused in Fantasy, even culled from D&D 4.0 as a PC race apparently.
If I never read a novel or play a game with Tolkien-type elves in it again, I will maintain equanimity.
Quote from: saskganesh on August 26, 2009, 03:53:38 PM
voted gnomes, who should be broken out of hobbits. way underused in Fantasy, even culled from D&D 4.0 as a PC race apparently.
If I never read a novel or play a game with Tolkien-type elves in it again, I will maintain equanimity.
Gnomes are back in 4.0; they were put in the Player Handbook 2.
:nerd:
I like Dwarves, but why must they always be portrayed as Scotsmen?
Quote from: Savonarola on August 26, 2009, 02:36:57 PM
Why is it that elves live for over a thousand years, are supposed to be naturally adept at magic, but cannot advance beyond 11th level as a Wizard?
because they spend centuries instead studying spell lists dealing with floral arrangements, cotton bedding weaves, and grape growing. refined stuff like that.
since they are immortal, they just don't have the need or drive to succeed and take the kind of risks that may involve danger and the possible shortening of their lives. they just hang out, indulging in their own apparent perfection.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 26, 2009, 03:57:18 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on August 26, 2009, 03:53:38 PM
voted gnomes, who should be broken out of hobbits. way underused in Fantasy, even culled from D&D 4.0 as a PC race apparently.
If I never read a novel or play a game with Tolkien-type elves in it again, I will maintain equanimity.
Gnomes are back in 4.0; they were put in the Player Handbook 2.
watch out for gnome rage. when a clan of redcaps riding giant porcupines rides into your town, you better have spells of protection against whoppee cushions ready.
Quote from: saskganesh on August 26, 2009, 04:04:34 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 26, 2009, 02:36:57 PM
Why is it that elves live for over a thousand years, are supposed to be naturally adept at magic, but cannot advance beyond 11th level as a Wizard?
because they spend centuries instead studying spell lists dealing with floral arrangements, cotton bedding weaves, and grape growing. refined stuff like that.
So you're agreeing with Monkeybutt? :unsure:
Hobbits/Gnomes.
Have played one of these in every MMO I've played. Everquest and WoW I was a Gnome, and LOTRO was a Hobbit.
Quote from: saskganesh on August 26, 2009, 03:53:38 PM
voted gnomes, who should be broken out of hobbits. way underused in Fantasy, even culled from D&D 4.0 as a PC race apparently.
If I never read a novel or play a game with Tolkien-type elves in it again, I will maintain equanimity.
Traditional gnomes really don't have much of an identity though. Kind-of like dwarves, but not really. Dreagonlance breathed some life into them by making them tinkering geniuses (but that kind of breaks some of the historical setting).
Personally I have no problem with modern fantasy elves. They have a very distinct image and are a useful archtype.
I do wish more fantasy would use a much more traditional elf - more playful woodland spirit, rather than the more Tolkeinesque variety.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 26, 2009, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on August 26, 2009, 04:04:34 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 26, 2009, 02:36:57 PM
Why is it that elves live for over a thousand years, are supposed to be naturally adept at magic, but cannot advance beyond 11th level as a Wizard?
because they spend centuries instead studying spell lists dealing with floral arrangements, cotton bedding weaves, and grape growing. refined stuff like that.
So you're agreeing with Monkeybutt? :unsure:
not really. they are not all gay. I see them more as aesthetes, wanting nothing to do with staining body fluids.
Blood Elves in WoW are playful wood spirits rather than Tol-keenish.
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on August 26, 2009, 03:53:38 PM
voted gnomes, who should be broken out of hobbits. way underused in Fantasy, even culled from D&D 4.0 as a PC race apparently.
If I never read a novel or play a game with Tolkien-type elves in it again, I will maintain equanimity.
Traditional gnomes really don't have much of an identity though. Kind-of like dwarves, but not really. Dreagonlance breathed some life into them by making them tinkering geniuses (but that kind of breaks some of the historical setting).
I agree with this... they are pretty much an open book, which is a problem in most fantasy, as its a largely derivative genre anyway.
Gnomes are dumb.
As said they're just...semi-dwarfs. And they have silly assosiations with their names.
I've no clue why they were even originally tacked onto the genre with d&d (???)
I'm unsure on the grand question. Of dwarves or elves.
It used to be elves all the way- I'm a ranger type so meh- but as I've grown up I relate with dwarves increasingly...the only trouble is....they're dwarves. I just don't like them being so damn short.
That I'm so tall myself (well...not these days but when I was younger certainly) would lead to no end of jokes if I go dwarf.
Quote from: Tyr on August 26, 2009, 04:13:58 PM
Gnomes are dumb.
As said they're just...semi-dwarfs. And they have silly assosiations with their names.
I've no clue why they were even originally tacked onto the genre with d&d (???)
Because they are awesome and you suck?
Yes I think that covers it.
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 26, 2009, 03:18:51 PM
Dwarves.
Elves deserve to be genocided.
This isn't WoW fool!
Elves are Eru's firstborn, and glorious to behold.
G.
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:07:57 PM
Traditional gnomes really don't have much of an identity though. Kind-of like dwarves, but not really. Dreagonlance breathed some life into them by making them tinkering geniuses (but that kind of breaks some of the historical setting).
Naturally magic apt trickersters? How the fuck is that kind of like dwarves?
Well I guess they both were short...and deep gnomes lived deep underground but they were one of the coolest races in the game so surely you didn't mean the Svirfneblin.
Quote from: Valmy on August 26, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
Well I guess they both were short...and deep gnomes lived deep underground but they were one of the coolest races in the game so surely you didn't mean the Svirfneblin.
:bleeding: Everything in Unearthed Arcana was awful (except the extensive pole arm section.) All the new classes and races were severely over powered.
Quote from: Valmy on August 26, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:07:57 PM
Traditional gnomes really don't have much of an identity though. Kind-of like dwarves, but not really. Dreagonlance breathed some life into them by making them tinkering geniuses (but that kind of breaks some of the historical setting).
Naturally magic apt trickersters? How the fuck is that kind of like dwarves?
Well I guess they both were short...and deep gnomes lived deep underground but they were one of the coolest races in the game so surely you didn't mean the Svirfneblin.
Since when is their identity "magic apt tricksters"? I won't doubt that somewhere they're described as such, but they don't have the same image in popular fantasy that elves or dwarves have.
Quote from: Grallon on August 26, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 26, 2009, 03:18:51 PM
Dwarves.
Elves deserve to be genocided.
This isn't WoW fool!
Elves are Eru's firstborn, and glorious to behold.
G.
This isn't LOTR fool!
And: :nerd: to the rest of your post.
Quote from: Valmy on August 26, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
How the fuck is that kind of like dwarves?
Is it me or are you getting more grumpy lately?
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:34:11 PM
Since when is their identity "magic apt tricksters"?
Since Rumplestilskin?
Quote from: ulmont on August 26, 2009, 05:32:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:34:11 PM
Since when is their identity "magic apt tricksters"?
Since Rumplestilskin?
I've never heard him be called a gnome.
my major inspirations for gnomes are the munchkins from the 50's OZ cartoons. however, they are not turnip shaped, and look like smaller big nosed dwarfs. they have weird senses of humour. they like making inventions that do not work so well (high int, low wisdom) ... stuff like paddlewheel warships. they have a thing for breeding giant versions of burrowing animals ... so porcupines, rabbits, badgers especially.
redcaps are an evil clan of gnomes who specialise in boulder traps. fiendish laughter always follows.
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 26, 2009, 04:59:38 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 26, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
How the fuck is that kind of like dwarves?
Is it me or are you getting more grumpy lately?
He's my new padawan.
Quote from: Jaron on August 26, 2009, 04:34:26 PM
...
And: :nerd: to the rest of your post.
I am beset with trolls and fools from all sides! This board needs a cleanup!
G.
Tolkien originally called what would become elves in his mythos gnomes. That being said, I've always leaned toward humans in fantasy settings, as long as they're from the decaying and weakened kingdom, a la Gondor and Solamnia. Elves as they are in the Silmarillion are pretty sweet, but the later variety are simply too withdrawn and inactive for my tastes. Dwarves, therefore, take the win over elves in the general fantasy setting.
Rumpelstiltskin was a faerie.
Quote from: Jaron on August 26, 2009, 07:39:28 PM
Rumpelstiltskin was a faerie.
Beware the Fae :ph34r:
http://targete.deviantart.com/art/Autumn-Nightmares-59561573
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on August 26, 2009, 07:10:19 PM
Tolkien originally called what would become elves in his mythos gnomes. That being said, I've always leaned toward humans in fantasy settings, as long as they're from the decaying and weakened kingdom, a la Gondor and Solamnia. Elves as they are in the Silmarillion are pretty sweet, but the later variety are simply too withdrawn and inactive for my tastes. Dwarves, therefore, take the win over elves in the general fantasy setting.
The Silmarillion elves were awesome. Bloodthirsty, fratricidal, crazy SOBs. Much better than the modern frilly, fancy-pants holier-than-thous of modern fantasy.
Gnomes as RPG characters do indeed suck, but I was always a fan of "The Secret Book of Gnomes" by Wil Huygen.
Elves need to DIAF.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 26, 2009, 09:09:37 PM
Elves need to DIAF.
How dare you speak of Eru's children that way!
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:34:11 PM
Since when is their identity "magic apt tricksters"? I won't doubt that somewhere they're described as such, but they don't have the same image in popular fantasy that elves or dwarves have.
Garl Glittergold their god is the god of trickery, their natural tendency to be Illusionists. I mean even Gnomes that are not Illusionists usually are sneaky little devils. They are tricksters, practical jokers, they use wit and intelligence to win rather than magic or brawn. Also they are known for being eccentric and perhaps a bit insane. Well at least that is how they were in D&D since day 1. Even in Dragonlance and Everquest they are known for their spectacular intelligence and eccentricity of course.
The reason they lack the image is they are not from Tolkien which is sort of a kiss of death I suppose.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 08:28:50 PM
Gnomes as RPG characters do indeed suck
:weep:
Naturally they were my favorite race.
I loved Tiax and Quayle and Jan from the Baldur's Gate series. All embracing the usual Gnome archtypes.
Quayle: Oh noooo (on dying)
Tiax: Ha ha! Smart guy dies and Tiax goes on to RULE ALL!!
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 26, 2009, 04:59:38 PM
Is it me or are you getting more grumpy lately?
I have. I think too much time on Languish is doing it to me. All my grumpy tendencies comes out here.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 26, 2009, 04:32:21 PM
:bleeding: Everything in Unearthed Arcana was awful (except the extensive pole arm section.) All the new classes and races were severely over powered.
Were they introduced in Unearthed Arcana? I wasn't aware of that.
No wonder they were so powerful!
Quote from: Tyr on August 26, 2009, 05:41:35 PM
I've never heard him be called a gnome.
He is the Ur-example of a gnome. When he appeared in King's Quest I it was as a gnome.
Quote from: Jaron on August 26, 2009, 07:39:28 PM
Rumpelstiltskin was a faerie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome
So are gnomes
Quote from: Valmy on August 26, 2009, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: Jaron on August 26, 2009, 07:39:28 PM
Rumpelstiltskin was a faerie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome
So are gnomes
:rolleyes:
You guys seriously know too much about fantasy races.
Quote from: Jaron on August 26, 2009, 10:27:25 PM
:rolleyes:
You guys seriously know too much about fantasy races.
:blush:
:huh:
Rumplestiltskin was a dwarf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumplestiltskin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumplestiltskin)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 26, 2009, 10:34:15 PM
Rumplestiltskin was a dwarf.
Well he is what D&D gnomes are based on. D&D dwarves are based on Tolkien's version.
Halflings/hobbits, but only tokien/ pre-3rd edition ones. The new ones..eargh.
Actually, I really, really love halflings. a ton.
Edit: Athel Loren's elves are a ton of fun also.
Quote from: Tyr on August 26, 2009, 02:58:40 PM
Yeah, level limits between races were just messed up.
Dwarven thieves really should have been severely limited though. They're supposed to be big beefy blunt chaps!
who plays that rule? that's the stupidest rule ever in D&D Never ever use that. an Elf who can't be a high level magic user? unpossible.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 11:46:50 AM
who plays that rule? that's the stupidest rule ever in D&D Never ever use that. an Elf who can't be a high level magic user? unpossible.
TSR ignored their own rules all the time for their NPCs. That probably should have clued them in and had them drop the level limits.
and isn't wizard the favoured class of Elves? now that I think about it. what are you guys quoting version 1?
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 11:50:59 AM
and isn't wizard the favoured class of Elves? now that I think about it. what are you guys quoting version 1?
Most of us never played past 2nd Edition.
Obviously in 3rd edition there were no more level limits. Really everybody ignored them by the later period of 2nd edition as well even though my fascist DMs stuck by them like gospel.
D&D blows something fierce and is complete and utter poop. D&D players = fail.
Quote from: The Brain on August 27, 2009, 11:53:06 AM
D&D blows something fierce and is complete and utter poop. D&D players = fail.
Watch it or I will cast magic missle.
I was always a dwarf kind of guy.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: Tyr on August 26, 2009, 02:58:40 PM
Yeah, level limits between races were just messed up.
Dwarven thieves really should have been severely limited though. They're supposed to be big beefy blunt chaps!
who plays that rule? that's the stupidest rule ever in D&D Never ever use that. an Elf who can't be a high level magic user? unpossible.
Gygax made a number of game balance decisions which could have been dealt with differently with a bit more thought.
If demi-humans have bonuses and humans do not, why play humans? One solution is to cap demi human levels. Another is just to have humans rise more rapidly.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2009, 11:52:28 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 11:50:59 AM
and isn't wizard the favoured class of Elves? now that I think about it. what are you guys quoting version 1?
Most of us never played past 2nd Edition.
Obviously in 3rd edition there were no more level limits. Really everybody ignored them by the later period of 2nd edition as well even though my fascist DMs stuck by them like gospel.
:huh: I was playing in 1980 and I never played by that "rule"... never played in a game (that went on long enough) where there wasn't a high level elf wizard.
Quote from: saskganesh on August 27, 2009, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: Tyr on August 26, 2009, 02:58:40 PM
Yeah, level limits between races were just messed up.
Dwarven thieves really should have been severely limited though. They're supposed to be big beefy blunt chaps!
who plays that rule? that's the stupidest rule ever in D&D Never ever use that. an Elf who can't be a high level magic user? unpossible.
Gygax made a number of game balance decisions which could have been dealt with differently with a bit more thought.
If demi-humans have bonuses and humans do not, why play humans? One solution is to cap demi human levels. Another is just to have humans rise more rapidly.
I always figured that balanced out as demi-humans also had minuses. max.s on ability scores etc. and some people were not adventurous enough to play anything but human.
Quote from: saskganesh on August 27, 2009, 11:55:56 AM
Gygax made a number of game balance decisions which could have been dealt with differently with a bit more thought.
If demi-humans have bonuses and humans do not, why play humans? One solution is to cap demi human levels. Another is just to have humans rise more rapidly.
Perhaps he didn't think that people would power game to the extent that they do. Maybe he figured people would want to play humans because that's the role they wanted to play, not because they get LOL PLUS TWO TO DEXTURETY!!! ;)
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 12:03:12 PM
:huh: I was playing in 1980 and I never played by that "rule"... never played in a game (that went on long enough) where there wasn't a high level elf wizard.
Um did you own the players handbooks? Because it is not listed as an optional rule and it is all right there.
Quote from: saskganesh on August 27, 2009, 11:55:56 AM
Gygax made a number of game balance decisions which could have been dealt with differently with a bit more thought.
If demi-humans have bonuses and humans do not, why play humans? One solution is to cap demi human levels. Another is just to have humans rise more rapidly.
Yeah because having to stop at 8th level is totally balanced by having a 1 in 6 chance to detect sloping passages.
My favorite bizarre part was how every race could level unlimitedly as a thief for some reason. Yes a Dwarf had far more potential as a stealthy thief while they were very limited at being burly fighters.
I'm a Paladin with 18 charisma and 97 hit points. I can use my helm of disintegration and do one D4 damage as my half-elf mage wields his plus-five holy avenger.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2009, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 12:03:12 PM
:huh: I was playing in 1980 and I never played by that "rule"... never played in a game (that went on long enough) where there wasn't a high level elf wizard.
Um did you own the players handbooks? Because it is not listed as an optional rule and it is all right there.
all rules are optional. :contract: :p
I played in many games where that particular rule was ignored. never heard any complaints, gameplay was smooth.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 12:18:49 PM
all rules are optional. :contract: :p
I played in many games where that particular rule was ignored. never heard any complaints, gameplay was smooth.
If you knew about the rule why are you acting all confused about them?
Of course nobody would complain, the rule was stupid and unbalanced. I mentioned 3rd edition because you mentioned favored classes which are a 3rd edition concept.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2009, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 12:18:49 PM
all rules are optional. :contract: :p
I played in many games where that particular rule was ignored. never heard any complaints, gameplay was smooth.
If you knew about the rule why are you acting all confused about them?
Of course nobody would complain, the rule was stupid and unbalanced. I mentioned 3rd edition because you mentioned favored classes which are a 3rd edition concept.
Confused? uh no. not at all.
but ..... it was over 20 years ago and until this thread I forgot there ever were such silly non-playable "rules".
well yeah (i thought you guys were talking 3rd ed. +) I wouldn't assume that most of you were old enough to play the same edition as me, starting out.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2009, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 12:03:12 PM
:huh: I was playing in 1980 and I never played by that "rule"... never played in a game (that went on long enough) where there wasn't a high level elf wizard.
Um did you own the players handbooks? Because it is not listed as an optional rule and it is all right there.
all rules are optional. :contract: :p
I played in many games where that particular rule was ignored. never heard any complaints, gameplay was smooth.
In exchange for lifting that rule, we always allowed humans to multiclass as desired.
Quote from: ulmont on August 27, 2009, 12:32:04 PM
In exchange for lifting that rule, we always allowed humans to multiclass as desired.
Yeah that was another pet peeve of mine. Dual classing way way better than multi-classing. Humans were so ridiculously overpowered simply for not having infravision.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2009, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 11:46:50 AM
who plays that rule? that's the stupidest rule ever in D&D Never ever use that. an Elf who can't be a high level magic user? unpossible.
TSR ignored their own rules all the time for their NPCs. That probably should have clued them in and had them drop the level limits.
Computer games.
I've never been able to play pen and paper too much, just online a bit, and it never got so far as that rule raising its head.
QuoteYeah that was another pet peeve of mine. Dual classing way way better than multi-classing. Humans were so ridiculously overpowered simply for not having infravision.
How is dual classing better?
I've always assumed multi.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 12:27:51 PM
Confused? uh no. not at all.
but ..... it was over 20 years ago and until this thread I forgot there ever were such silly non-playable "rules".
well yeah (i thought you guys were talking 3rd ed. +) I wouldn't assume that most of you were old enough to play the same edition as me, starting out.
Heh. I don't think I've actually played a game of D&D since the 1st Edition era (and actually then it was the Red Book / Blue Book Basic D&D). I haven't owned a copy of the rules since 2nd Edition.
Quote from: Tyr on August 27, 2009, 01:41:03 PM
How is dual classing better?
I've always assumed multi.
Dual is far better. You do not have to split you experience points between the classes and thanks to how experience ramps you can collect levels far faster.
Powergamers always dual class and hardly ever multi-class.
depends on the class and when you doubleswitch
a 9th level fighter doubleclassed to MU: pretty tough mage.
a 9th level MU doubleclassed to fighter: wimpy fighter, power capped mage.
in original AD&D you still have to suffer through being gimped in your powers until your second class was higher level than your first one (and only one switch allowed). multiclass had no such restrictions, and you grew in power in all classes, not just your current one.
youtube has a number of official 4th edition D&D cartoons that make fun of the whole gnome thing. the gnome is in three of them. pretty good. start the with tiefling and gnome interview: "I'm a monster! rrrrwl" , then the demogorgan interview, then finally the mindflayer job interview.
Quote from: saskganesh on August 27, 2009, 02:00:18 PM
youtube has a number of official 4th edition D&D cartoons that make fun of the whole gnome thing. the gnome is in three of them. pretty good. start the with tiefling and gnome interview: "I'm a monster! rrrrwl" , then the demogorgan interview, then finally the mindflayer job interview.
You expect the typical languisher to actually go and search for these videos themselves? Pah!
Quote from: saskganesh on August 27, 2009, 02:00:18 PM
youtube has a number of official 4th edition D&D cartoons that make fun of the whole gnome thing. the gnome is in three of them. pretty good. start the with tiefling and gnome interview: "I'm a monster! rrrrwl" , then the demogorgan interview, then finally the mindflayer job interview.
:( Poor badger. Funny, though. :P
Quote from: saskganesh on August 27, 2009, 01:56:51 PM
in original AD&D you still have to suffer through being gimped in your powers until your second class was higher level than your first one (and only one switch allowed). multiclass had no such restrictions, and you grew in power in all classes, not just your current one.
Having to split your Hit Points and experience was pretty rough though.
But yeah alot depended on how you strategized your dual classing. It was a very gamey and strategic element and impossible to Role-Play.
Why would you suddenly forget how to use a sword and then suddenly remember again?
Quote from: Tyr on August 27, 2009, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on August 27, 2009, 02:00:18 PM
youtube has a number of official 4th edition D&D cartoons that make fun of the whole gnome thing. the gnome is in three of them. pretty good. start the with tiefling and gnome interview: "I'm a monster! rrrrwl" , then the demogorgan interview, then finally the mindflayer job interview.
You expect the typical languisher to actually go and search for these videos themselves? Pah!
yes. we need to shake things up around here.
I thought in the original D&D demi-human races actually functioned as classes. You would be a 5th level elf or what ever. I never really got into 3rd edition. It got to anime-ish looking. Bleh. Also everyone had a bunch of fucking tattoos.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2009, 03:02:54 PM
I thought in the original D&D demi-human races actually functioned as classes. You would be a 5th level elf or what ever.
Yes. And they had ridiculously low level limits there as well.
Hobbits were capped at level 8, Elves at level 10, and Dwarves at level 12.
But there was 1st and 2nd edition AD&D after that.
Humans, of course, went to level 36.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2009, 03:26:06 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2009, 03:02:54 PM
I thought in the original D&D demi-human races actually functioned as classes. You would be a 5th level elf or what ever.
Yes. And they had ridiculously low level limits there as well.
Hobbits were capped at level 8, Elves at level 10, and Dwarves at level 12.
But there was 1st and 2nd edition AD&D after that.
Humans, of course, went to level 36.
Humans went up to 60.
But there was some kind of alternate levelling for demi-humans even though they couldn't increase in level.
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2009, 03:27:11 PM
Humans went up to 60.
The Master's set only went up to 36. I guess they went from 37-60 in the Immortal's rules?
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2009, 03:02:54 PM
I thought in the original D&D demi-human races actually functioned as classes. You would be a 5th level elf or what ever. I never really got into 3rd edition. It got to anime-ish looking. Bleh. Also everyone had a bunch of fucking tattoos.
I'm a tenth level Vice-President.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 27, 2009, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2009, 03:02:54 PM
I thought in the original D&D demi-human races actually functioned as classes. You would be a 5th level elf or what ever. I never really got into 3rd edition. It got to anime-ish looking. Bleh. Also everyone had a bunch of fucking tattoos.
I'm a tenth level Vice-President.
Is that the level you gain the spell "Invent Internet" or do you gain the ability to use special ammo "bird shot" with your new ranged weapon "shotgun"?
Quote from: Strix on August 27, 2009, 03:58:37 PM
Is that the level you gain the spell "Invent Internet" or do you gain the ability to use special ammo "bird shot" with your new ranged weapon "shotgun"?
"Invent Internet" is the power tenth level Vice Presidents get. Sith Lords get the "Bird shot +5" at 10th level.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 27, 2009, 04:06:36 PM
Quote from: Strix on August 27, 2009, 03:58:37 PM
Is that the level you gain the spell "Invent Internet" or do you gain the ability to use special ammo "bird shot" with your new ranged weapon "shotgun"?
"Invent Internet" is the power tenth level Vice Presidents get. Sith Lords get the "Bird shot +5" at 10th level.
I used to love Dragon magazine. I think they published a
Jedi class? I remember they had a
Jock class that was similar to a Paladin. It's special sword was a Holy Hockey Stick.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2009, 03:35:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2009, 03:27:11 PM
Humans went up to 60.
The Master's set only went up to 36. I guess they went from 37-60 in the Immortal's rules?
No, I think you're right. :blush:
Immortal's had Immortal levels. No idea how high those went.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2009, 11:52:28 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 11:50:59 AM
and isn't wizard the favoured class of Elves? now that I think about it. what are you guys quoting version 1?
Most of us never played past 2nd Edition.
Obviously in 3rd edition there were no more level limits. Really everybody ignored them by the later period of 2nd edition as well even though my fascist DMs stuck by them like gospel.
Sticking to rules like gospel = not much fun. As a DM, I just made up whatever rules appeared appropriate. :D
Quote from: saskganesh on August 27, 2009, 02:00:18 PM
youtube has a number of official 4th edition D&D cartoons that make fun of the whole gnome thing. the gnome is in three of them. pretty good. start the with tiefling and gnome interview: "I'm a monster! rrrrwl" , then the demogorgan interview, then finally the mindflayer job interview.
I think the operative phrase goes like...
"Worthless without links." :)
Quote from: ulmont on August 27, 2009, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2009, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 12:03:12 PM
:huh: I was playing in 1980 and I never played by that "rule"... never played in a game (that went on long enough) where there wasn't a high level elf wizard.
Um did you own the players handbooks? Because it is not listed as an optional rule and it is all right there.
all rules are optional. :contract: :p
I played in many games where that particular rule was ignored. never heard any complaints, gameplay was smooth.
In exchange for lifting that rule, we always allowed humans to multiclass as desired.
ya I think we did that too. we tried different things to balance the games anyways. depended on the group what rules get bent/ignored.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2009, 03:26:06 PM
Yes. And they had ridiculously low level limits there as well.
Hobbits were capped at level 8, Elves at level 10, and Dwarves at level 12.
And they all used to have names for every levels too. The most a halfling could ever become was a sherrif (like Roscoe P. Coltrane), but an elf could become a
WIZARD LORD.
Wizards has an article with all the level names:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4alum/20090206 (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4alum/20090206)
Illusionists had the dumbest names (I am Siegfried, The Phantasmist.)
I loved those names... helped with in Character boasting, and talking to NPCs... I'm the Famed Swashbuckler Gargamel! Beware my +1 short sword!
Quote from: Agelastus on August 27, 2009, 05:22:50 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on August 27, 2009, 02:00:18 PM
youtube has a number of official 4th edition D&D cartoons that make fun of the whole gnome thing. the gnome is in three of them. pretty good. start the with tiefling and gnome interview: "I'm a monster! rrrrwl" , then the demogorgan interview, then finally the mindflayer job interview.
I think the operative phrase goes like...
"Worthless without links." :)
no. you are just lazy.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 28, 2009, 11:35:40 AM
I loved those names... helped with in Character boasting, and talking to NPCs... I'm the Famed Swashbuckler Gargamel! Beware my +1 short sword!
I loved those as well. Like Footpad or Lama!