QuoteSnoring is more than loud, it's a sign of a health risk
Interrupted breathing during sleep, depriving body of oxygen, increases chances for dying
By Stephanie Desmon
August 18, 2009
Severe nightly episodes of interrupted breathing during sleep - commonly known as sleep apnea - double the risk of death for middle-age men, according to a new study being called the largest ever conducted on the disorder.
Even men with moderate sleep apnea - anywhere from 15 to 30 instances of oxygen deprivation per hour - appear to be 45 percent more likely to die from any cause than those who have no nighttime breathing problems.
As many as one in four men is believed to suffer from sleep apnea, researchers said, and many with less severe apnea may not even know they have it, even though it can dangerously decrease the oxygen in their bloodstream. Sleep apnea - typically characterized by loud snoring - is believed to be a growing problem, since it is often linked to obesity, which has become an epidemic in the United States. Women also are affected by the disorder, but to a lesser degree.
"This is a bad disorder that not only affects your lifestyle in the short term, but your life span in the long term as well," said Dr. David Schulman, director of the sleep laboratory at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, who was not involved in the study. "People with sleep apnea today are more likely to die tomorrow."
The study, led by Johns Hopkins pulmonologist Dr. Naresh M. Punjabi, is being published online today in the Public Library of Science, Medicine. Small studies and anecdotal reports have long hinted at the connection between sleep problems and death, especially from heart disease, but this is the first large research study to make the link.
This study, part of the Sleep Heart Health Study, involved 6,441 men and women between the ages of 40 and 70. They have been followed for more than eight years. Some had sleep apnea; some did not. Many identified themselves as snorers - a major symptom of the disorder. More than 1,000 participants died since the study began.
Men with apnea were more likely to die regardless of age, gender, race, weight or whether they were a current or former smoker, or had other medical conditions such as high blood pressure, heart disease or diabetes, the study found.
Punjabi said the study shows that the majority of deaths aren't the result of the daytime drowsiness that is a hallmark of sleep apnea, the result of night after night of interrupted sleep.
Losing oxygen
A major culprit appears to be repeated episodes of apnea and the resulting oxygen deprivation, during which blood oxygen levels drop below 90 percent. If the heart doesn't get enough oxygen, it doesn't pump very well. As few as 11 minutes a night spent essentially holding one's breath - 2 percent of an average night's sleep of seven hours - caused the risk of death to double, Punjabi found.
"We all know that breathing's very important to our health, but because we're asleep and there's no pain, the difficulty in breathing while we sleep is not something [doctors] observe ... in a routine office visit," said Michael Twery, director of the National Institutes of Health's National Center on Sleep Disorders Research. "It's one of those hidden conditions."
Sleep apnea occurs when the upper airway is intermittently narrowed during sleep, causing breathing to be difficult or completely blocked.
The health risks appear to accumulate over many years. "It's a chronic exposure," he said. "One night's exposure in itself is not a health risk. ... It happens hundreds of times a night and it goes on for decades."
Along with so many men, about one in 10 women are believed to have sleep apnea. There were too few women in the study to draw any conclusions about apnea and death, but Twery said women also appear to be at risk. He said more needs to be known about women and apnea. There are questions, for example, about snoring during pregnancy and whether it affects the health of the mother and the developing fetus.
"It's underdiagnosed," Punjabi said. "Many physicians are unaware of this disorder. ... Patients have to know what they're suffering from."
Own snoring wakes him up
Jim Cappuccino, a 49-year-old retired police officer who develops and sells medical equipment, has been snoring for more than a decade. Loudly. The Baltimore resident - who at 5 feet 10 weighs 256 pounds - recently learned he has sleep apnea, though he wasn't all that surprised. His own snoring often woke him up.
"Some nights I felt I was actually not asleep," he said. "You wake up and you're as bone-tired as when you went to bed."
Of his six siblings, four are doctors, who have long pushed him to take better care of himself and to get control over his roller-coaster weight. "It's time I face facts," Cappuccino said. "I'd like to see my [college junior] daughter graduate from college and law school."
Now, as part of a different Hopkins study, he is using a Continuous Positive Airway Pressure (CPAP) machine, a mask worn at night that pushes air through the airway passage at a pressure high enough to keep it open during sleep. After two months, he already feels better.
Schulman said the public began to pay attention to the breathing disorder after Hall of Fame football player Reggie White's death five years ago was attributed to undiagnosed sleep apnea. The message started getting out, he said: "If you snore, go see your doctor."
Apnea in the air
When it makes headlines, the stories about sleep apnea are rarely good. This month, National Transportation Safety Board officials said the reason a plane in 2008 overflew a Hawaii airport was because the pilots fell asleep and the captain suffered from undiagnosed sleep apnea. The NTSB is calling for pilots to be screened for sleep apnea.
Schulman said treating apnea - through CPAP machines or by losing weight - might prevent deaths, though more research needs to be done.
Sleep apnea is diagnosed through a visit to a sleep clinic, something not everyone is willing or able to do.
"When we get people in the clinic, they're usually here because they're sleepy," Schulman said. "Often, folks will take treatments because they like the way it makes them feel."
But not everyone with apnea feels poorly. Some with more moderate, but still potentially dangerous, night breathing problems don't know there is anything wrong.
"There are some people with apnea who don't feel bad," he said.
With that group, when the doctor suggests the bulky CPAP machine, "that's a much harder sell," Schulman said.
By the numbers
•Middle-age people with severe apnea were 46 percent more likely to die of any cause
•Middle-age people with moderate apnea were 17 percent more likely to die of any cause
•About 1 in 4 men and 1 in 10 women suffer from sleep apnea
•Breathing problems for as little as 11 minutes a night cause the risk of death to double
They keep saying shit like this lately, but have you actually ever heard of anyone dying from sleep apnea?
My cousin has that. He's got a mask & everything for when he goes to sleep.
He was never into any "danger of diying" while sleeping but he would wake up some insane amount of times every minute so he basically didn't get to REM sleep & became the most irritated person until he got the Oxygen mask.
Yeah, my dad has sleep apnea and has the Darth Vader mask for it, and also says it makes a huge difference in that he's not tired all day now like he used to be.
I suspect this "lulz sleep apnea cause: DEATH!" stuff might be a marketing angle for the dudes who make the masks. :)
Quote from: Caliga on August 18, 2009, 05:19:47 AM
They keep saying shit like this lately, but have you actually ever heard of anyone dying from sleep apnea?
QuoteHall of Fame football player Reggie White's death five years ago was attributed to undiagnosed sleep apnea
TL;DR. :)
I don't snore nearly as much anymore after losing 140lbs in four years. Weird that being massively overweight would have an effect on my health...
Quote from: Caliga on August 18, 2009, 06:53:17 AM
Yeah, my dad has sleep apnea and has the Darth Vader mask for it, and also says it makes a huge difference in that he's not tired all day now like he used to be.
I suspect this "lulz sleep apnea cause: DEATH!" stuff might be a marketing angle for the dudes who make the masks. :)
My dad used to use the mask. Then he lost some weight and has stopped snoring and doesn't need the mask any more.
My dad is actually extremely thin, so weight definitely isn't the issue in his case. He's 6'4" and probably weighs 150 lbs or so.
He can have my lost weight if it makes him feel better.
Quote from: Caliga on August 18, 2009, 08:20:51 AM
My dad is actually extremely thin, so weight definitely isn't the issue in his case. He's 6'4" and probably weighs 150 lbs or so.
My Darth Vader salesperson told me it's a misconception that apnea is a tubbo problem. She said everyone she sold to had a thin neck.
My neck is: extremely thick (19 in.). :cool:
Thick necks run in my mom's family. My dad does indeed have a swan neck.
There is nothing silent about sleep apnea.
Quote from: DGuller on August 18, 2009, 08:37:32 AM
There is nothing silent about sleep apnea.
Except when its about to kill you.
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 18, 2009, 06:51:00 AM
He was never into any "danger of diying" while sleeping but he would wake up some insane amount of times every minute so he basically didn't get to REM sleep & became the most irritated person until he got the Oxygen mask.
I haven't had REM sleep since 2002.
I have the Vader mask, tried a couple different variants, but I keep ripping it off. Go to sleep with it on, wake up an hour later, and it's off. Put it back on, wake up another hour later and it's off. Rinse, repeat until morning. Go to work dragging, be a dick to the planet from not getting a decent night's sleep for years.
Then again, it's probably nothing losing 30 pounds, quitting smoking, exercising and a tonsilectomy can't solve.
If you can take it off in your sleep, it's not a Vader mask. Unless you mean this guy:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.accelerator3359.com%2FWrestling%2Fpictures%2Fvader.jpg&hash=ef3ee06a884ef25f69a971cfb83fde8129a6795c)
Quote from: Caliga on August 18, 2009, 06:53:17 AM
Yeah, my dad has sleep apnea and has the Darth Vader mask for it, and also says it makes a huge difference in that he's not tired all day now like he used to be.
I suspect this "lulz sleep apnea cause: DEATH!" stuff might be a marketing angle for the dudes who make the masks. :)
As a trendy diagnosis, yeah. There's a bona fide "sleep apnea" where the tongue falls back during sleep and totally obstructs the airway- I know a guy who had to be hospitalized when that happened and has had to sleep with the Darth Vader mask ever since.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 18, 2009, 07:29:55 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 18, 2009, 06:51:00 AM
He was never into any "danger of diying" while sleeping but he would wake up some insane amount of times every minute so he basically didn't get to REM sleep & became the most irritated person until he got the Oxygen mask.
I haven't had REM sleep since 2002.
I have the Vader mask, tried a couple different variants, but I keep ripping it off. Go to sleep with it on, wake up an hour later, and it's off. Put it back on, wake up another hour later and it's off. Rinse, repeat until morning. Go to work dragging, be a dick to the planet from not getting a decent night's sleep for years.
Then again, it's probably nothing losing 30 pounds, quitting smoking, exercising and a tonsilectomy can't solve.
Try combining the mask with one of those new sleeping pills.
Quote from: Zoupa on August 18, 2009, 10:05:22 PM
Try combining the mask with one of those new sleeping pills.
Doctor says apnea + sleeping aids = big no-no.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 18, 2009, 10:15:13 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on August 18, 2009, 10:05:22 PM
Try combining the mask with one of those new sleeping pills.
Doctor says apnea + sleeping aids = big no-no.
Doctor is a douche. I think you should trust your frog internet pharmacist whom you've never met :P
But seriously, the non-benzo stuff should be fine.
Quote from: Caliga on August 18, 2009, 05:19:47 AM
They keep saying shit like this lately, but have you actually ever heard of anyone dying from sleep apnea?
it's like dying because of pollution. It's never listed as a cause of death. Yet, it causes health problems.
"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is not always right, I suppose.
I've heard sleeping with a bolster instead of a pillow can help, because it tips your head back a little and opens things up. But don't come complaining to me because you're tongue flipped back and suffocated you
My wife is certain I have sleep apnea and she is bugging me to go to a sleep clinic. She might be right. In my case it is not so much a weight issue as I had my nose broken playing ball back in the day.