Breaking news. Clinton is flying back from Pyongyang with the two Korean-American reporters arrested for illegally entering the country.
Will Hillary be at the door tapping her foot and holding a rolling pin when he gets home?
I wonder if he exchanged a few cases of his Viagra supply for the girls.
Reminds me of when Luke Skywalker saved Princess Leia from Jabba the Hutt's party barge.
Well, that certainly makes Obama and Hillary look stupid and ineffective, doesn't it?
Bill for president! ^_^
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 05:39:50 PM
Well, that certainly makes Obama and Hillary look stupid and ineffective, doesn't it?
If your assistant whom you select to do a job succeeds, you look ineffective? Damn, I hope you're not a manager of any kind.
Quote from: Jacob on August 04, 2009, 05:49:02 PM
If your assistant whom you select to do a job succeeds, you look ineffective? Damn, I hope you're not a manager of any kind.
What are you talking about? Who's assistant is Bubba?
All the news channel talking heads were saying this was pretty much already in the bag. Sending a former President and having him come back empty-handed would have been embarassing. :cry:
Kim probably just wanted a photo of him and Bill to take with him to the grave.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 04, 2009, 05:52:59 PM
Quote from: Jacob on August 04, 2009, 05:49:02 PM
If your assistant whom you select to do a job succeeds, you look ineffective? Damn, I hope you're not a manager of any kind.
What are you talking about? Who's assistant is Bubba?
Hillary :P
Jesse Jackson got that Navy pilot released in Lebanon back in the '80s, and Reagan had nothing to do with it.
This one's all Bubba, baby. Nigga's still got it.
:yes:
Ok, are we going to have to pay for this later?
What is this "we" business?
Israel had no hand in this, Jew.
Bait and switch. he's bringing back two spies. They all look the same anyways :p
*edit "he's"
Quote from: HVC on August 04, 2009, 06:22:55 PM
Bait and switch. he's bringing back two spies. They all look the same anyways :p
*edit "he's"
joan almost got you.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 04, 2009, 05:52:59 PMWhat are you talking about? Who's assistant is Bubba?
Obama's and Hillary's.
No one is seriously suggesting that Bill Clinton did this on his own initiative, right?
QuoteThe journalists' release followed weeks of quiet negotiations between the State Department and the North Korean mission to the United Nations, said Daniel Sneider, associate director of research at Stanford University's Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center.
Clinton "didn't go to negotiate this, he went to reap the fruits of the negotiation," Sneider said.
Pardoning Ling and Lee and having Clinton serving as their emissary served both North Korea's need to continue maintaining that the two women had committed a crime and the Obama administration's desire not to expend diplomatic capital winning their freedom, Sneider said.
"Nobody wanted this to be a distraction from the more substantially difficult issues we have with North Korea," he said. "There was a desire by the administration to resolve this quietly and from the very beginning they didn't allow it to become a huge public issue."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32277010/ns/world_news-asiapacific//
Quote from: Jacob on August 04, 2009, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 05:39:50 PM
Well, that certainly makes Obama and Hillary look stupid and ineffective, doesn't it?
If your assistant whom you select to do a job succeeds, you look ineffective? Damn, I hope you're not a manager of any kind.
Of course I am.
Bill Clinton looks like Superman. While he's looking good, Hillary just finished getting bitchslapped by the North Koreans, and Obama's busy failing at all his domestic initiatives.
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 05:39:50 PM
Well, that certainly makes Obama and Hillary look stupid and ineffective, doesn't it?
how so?
edit: read your later post... my question still stands. your answer is only visible through Nixonian prescription lenses. I don't have that kind of coverage.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 04, 2009, 09:24:56 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 05:39:50 PM
Well, that certainly makes Obama and Hillary look stupid and ineffective, doesn't it?
how so?
edit: read your later post... my question still stands. your answer is only visible through Nixonian prescription lenses. I don't have that kind of coverage.
Obamaniacs like yourself and Jake need not apply. Bill Clinton continues his string of successes. Obama has had nothing but failures.
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 09:33:42 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 04, 2009, 09:24:56 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 05:39:50 PM
Well, that certainly makes Obama and Hillary look stupid and ineffective, doesn't it?
how so?
edit: read your later post... my question still stands. your answer is only visible through Nixonian prescription lenses. I don't have that kind of coverage.
Obamaniacs like yourself and Jake need not apply. Bill Clinton continues his string of successes. Obama has had nothing but failures.
:huh: I've been on Bill's side since long before you were ever any kind of divine being. Bill is was always solid, in my books. Obama.. doing ok but not doing much yet. I'm not worried like I was before he took office. It's relax time.
Clinton >>>>>> Obama. :cool:
Quote from: Siege on August 04, 2009, 06:17:09 PM
Ok, are we going to have to pay for this later?
The cost will be one Isreali American soldier. Pack your bags, it's time to serve your country.
This really is something out of a cheap porno.
Quote from: Tyr on August 05, 2009, 05:43:02 AM
This really is something out of a cheap porno.
They showed the tapes from the flight home already? ;)
Bill's gotta be spilling the beans to the CIA on Kim's health.
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 09:33:42 PMObamaniacs like yourself and Jake need not apply. Bill Clinton continues his string of successes. Obama has had nothing but failures.
And you continue your string of absurd statements unrelated to reality.
QuoteSister: Journalists jailed in North Korea asked for Clinton
(CNN) -- Journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee told Ling's sister they were treated humanely in North Korea, and they believe they weren't sent to hard-labor camps because they have medical conditions, Lisa Ling said Friday.
Lisa Ling, left, and her sister, Laura, center, speak to their father Wednesday after Laura arrived in California.
The sister, speaking on CNN's "American Morning," did not elaborate on the medical conditions, but said her sister will soon tell her story.
"Laura is eager to tell the story about what happened. I want to let her do so, but right now, she's really getting reacclimated. The processes are slow. She's very, very weak," Lisa Ling said, adding that the stories she's heard so far are "jaw-dropping."
Laura Ling and Lee were working for California-based Current TV, a media venture of former Vice President Al Gore, when they were arrested in March for crossing the border between China and North Korea. Watch Lisa Ling share her sister's story »
Lisa Ling said that before they left the United States, the pair never intended to cross into North Korea. They have acknowledged that they briefly did, however, and they were convicted of entering the country illegally to conduct a "smear campaign" against the reclusive Communist state.
They were sentenced in June to 12 years of hard labor. North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Il, pardoned the women Tuesday after meeting with former President Bill Clinton. They arrived home the following day.
Lisa Ling said her sister was allowed to call the family on four occasions during her five months in captivity. On the last call, Laura Ling specifically requested that Clinton intervene.
"She said that in her opinion -- quote, unquote -- it would have to be President Clinton. It could only be President Clinton to secure the release of herself and Euna. We immediately jumped into action and alerted Vice President Gore," Lisa Ling said.
When their release was secured, they promptly boarded a plane home. Clinton wanted them to rest because they were clearly tired, "but the two of them were chatting away and comparing their experiences," Lisa Ling said.
Laura Ling and Lee went to see doctors Thursday, the sister added. Laura Ling is "doing well," and Lee is "skinny," Lisa Ling said, joking that her mother tried to force-feed Lee on Thursday "because she's just become so diminutive."
The women also are slowly working to assimilate to their freedom. They were kept at opposite ends of the same North Korean detention facility, and though Laura Ling had two guards in her room at all times, she would sometimes go weeks without talking to anyone.
"So even communicating is a challenge because she sometimes yesterday was even having a hard time getting full sentences out, so it's a slow adjustment," Lisa Ling said.
On Thursday, Lisa Ling told CNN that her sister was "incredibly emotional" and didn't want to be left alone after months of "relative isolation."
"Yesterday, she was so exhausted and she wanted to take a quick nap. She kept asking me: 'Are you going to be here when I come back?' " the sister said Thursday.
Emotions have run high in Lee's home as well, Lisa Ling said. Watch the journalists' family reunions »
"I hear from Euna's husband, Michael, that Hana, their 4-year-old daughter, has not wanted her mother to leave her sight," she said. "She just keeps following her around from room to room because she doesn't want her mom to leave."
Lee and her husband went to Laura Ling's house Thursday night for their first pizza since being released, Lisa Ling said Friday.
"The thing that was so wonderful to see was little Hana," she said. "I have never seen her so happy, and we all sort of remarked that it was just a beautiful thing."
Lisa Ling said her sibling will soon share her "powerful" story, perhaps in an op-ed piece, but she needs space right now.
Lisa Ling, meanwhile, is elated that her sister and Lee are safe. She said she always knew they would come home.
"I believe in the fundamental goodness," she said. "I knew in my heart that at some point, Laura and Euna would be returned back to us. I didn't know when it would happen, but I never lost that hope."
:cool: Bubba's still got it.
I wonder how much of this was to try and get a look at Kim after all the rumours about his health? :mellow:
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 07, 2009, 12:07:55 PM
I wonder how much of this was to try and get a look at Kim after all the rumours about his health? :mellow:
I frankly don't really know how important Kim even is to the North Korean system. Does who the Great Leader(tm) is actually make that much of a difference? The system might run itself for all I know.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 07, 2009, 12:07:55 PM
I wonder how much of this was to try and get a look at Kim after all the rumours about his health? :mellow:
I frankly don't really know how important Kim even is to the North Korean system. Does who the Great Leader(tm) is actually make that much of a difference? The system might run itself for all I know.
Yeah, I'm still waiting for the walls to come down, lights on and the North Korean people actually realize the world is vastly different and a far better place than the lies and madness they've been subjected to for generations. Going to make the Berlin Wall coming down seem quite tame, as at least East Germans had a much better idea of reality.
Of course, I may be wrong and the North Korean people are all devout Totalitarians and fully accept the slave labor camp hermit nation thing. :unsure:
Also though, if these women were trying to sneak in North Korea, that's a real dumb headed thing to be doing. Maybe they win some accolades for their journalistic desire to get stories of NK out, but they would be subjecting themselves to a rather questionable fate if caught.
Quote from: KRonn on August 07, 2009, 12:18:02 PM
Of course, I may be wrong and the North Korean people are all devout Totalitarians and fully accept the slave labor camp hermit nation thing. :unsure:
I read an article that said that North Korea was the hermit nation until the famine in the mid-90s. Since then there's been a lot more unofficial contact with the outside world. People smuggling, crossing the Chinese border to buy food (often by working as prostitutes) and that knowledge that, at the very least, China's a lot better off is very widespread now.
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 07, 2009, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: KRonn on August 07, 2009, 12:18:02 PM
Of course, I may be wrong and the North Korean people are all devout Totalitarians and fully accept the slave labor camp hermit nation thing. :unsure:
I read an article that said that North Korea was the hermit nation until the famine in the mid-90s. Since then there's been a lot more unofficial contact with the outside world. People smuggling, crossing the Chinese border to buy food (often by working as prostitutes) and that knowledge that, at the very least, China's a lot better off is very widespread now.
Interesting, and that's good that some word gets in about the real world. I'd figure as much anyway; can't keep things totally suppressed.