Holy Crap! :o
Good luck funding your programs Obama.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32275055/ns/politics-more_politics/
QuoteFeds see biggest tax revenue drop since 1932
Recession's toll comes as Congress and president try to fund programs
updated 7:55 p.m. ET, Mon., Aug 3, 2009
WASHINGTON - The recession is starving the government of tax revenue, just as the president and Congress are piling a major expansion of health care and other programs on the nation's plate and struggling to find money to pay the tab.
The numbers could hardly be more stark: Tax receipts are on pace to drop 18 percent this year, the biggest single-year decline since the Great Depression, while the federal deficit balloons to a record $1.8 trillion.
Other figures in an Associated Press analysis underscore the recession's impact: Individual income tax receipts are down 22 percent from a year ago. Corporate income taxes are down 57 percent. Social Security tax receipts could drop for only the second time since 1940, and Medicare taxes are on pace to drop for only the third time ever.
The last time the government's revenues were this bleak, the year was 1932 in the midst of the Depression.
"Our tax system is already inadequate to support the promises our government has made," said Eugene Steuerle, a former Treasury Department official in the Reagan administration who is now vice president of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation.
"This just adds to the problem."
Existing programs feeling the pinch
While much of Washington is focused on how to pay for new programs such as overhauling health care — at a cost of $1 trillion over the next decade — existing programs are feeling the pinch, too.
Social Security is in danger of running out of money earlier than the government projected just a few months ago. Highway, mass transit and airport projects are at risk because fuel and industry taxes are declining.
The national debt already exceeds $11 trillion. And bills just completed by the House would boost domestic agencies' spending by 11 percent in 2010 and military spending by 4 percent.
For this report, the AP analyzed annual tax receipts dating back to the inception of the federal income tax in 1913. Tax receipts for the 2009 budget year were available through June. They were compared to the same period last year. The budget year runs from October to September, meaning there will be three more months of receipts this year.
Is there a way out of the financial mess?
A key factor is the economy's health. The future of current programs — not to mention the new ones Obama is proposing — will depend largely on how fast the economy recovers from the recession, said William Gale, co-director of the Tax Policy Center.
"The numbers for 2009 are striking, head-snapping. But what really matters is what happens next," he said. "If it's just one year, then it's a remarkable thing, but it's totally manageable. If the economy doesn't recover soon, it doesn't matter what your social, economic and political agenda is. There's not going to be any revenue to pay for it."
Decline points to deep recession
A small part of the drop in tax receipts can be attributed to new tax credits for individuals and corporations enacted in February as part of the $787 billion economic stimulus package. The sheer magnitude of the tax decline, however, points to the deep recession that is reducing incomes, wiping out corporate profits and straining government programs.
Social Security tax receipts are down less than a percentage point from last year, but in May the government had been projecting a slight increase. At the time, the government's best estimate was that Social Security would start to pay out more money than it receives in taxes in 2016, and that the fund would be depleted in 2037 unless changes are enacted.
Some experts think the sour economy has made those numbers outdated.
"You could easily move that number up three or four years, then you're talking about 2013, and that's not very far off," said Kent Smetters, associate professor of insurance and risk management at the University of Pennsylvania.
The government's projections included best- and worst-case scenarios. Under the worst, Social Security would start to pay out more money than it received in taxes in 2013, and the fund would be depleted in 2029.
The fund's trustees are still confident the solvency dates are within the range of the worst-case scenario, said Jason Fichtner, the Social Security Administration's acting deputy commissioner.
"We're not outside our boundaries yet," Fichtner said. "As the recovery comes, we'll see how that plays out."
The recession's toll on Social Security makes it even more urgent for Congress to address the fund's long-term solvency, said Sen. Herb Kohl, D-Wis., chairman of the Senate Aging Committee.
"Over the past year, millions of older Americans have watched their retirement savings crumble, making the guaranteed income of Social Security more important than ever," Kohl said.
Social Security on agenda next year
President Barack Obama has said he wants to tackle Social Security next year, after he clears an already crowded agenda that includes overhauling health care, addressing climate change and imposing new regulations on financial companies.
Medicare tax receipts are also down less than a percentage point for the year, pretty close to government projections. Medicare started paying out more money than it received last year.
Meanwhile, the recession is taking a toll on fuel and industry excise taxes that pay for highway, mass transit and airport projects. Fuel taxes that support road construction and mass transit projects are on pace to fall for the second straight year. Receipts from taxes on jet fuel and airline tickets are also dropping, meaning Congress will have to borrow more money to fund airport projects and the Federal Aviation Administration.
Last week, Congress voted to spend $7 billion to replenish the highway fund, which would otherwise run out of money in August. Congress spent $8 billion to replenish the fund last year.
Rep. Richard Neal, D-Mass., chairman of the House subcommittee that oversees fuel taxes, is working on a package to make the fund more self-sufficient. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which doesn't back many tax increases, supports increasing the federal gasoline tax, currently 18.4 cents per gallon.
Neal said he hasn't endorsed a specific plan. But, he added, "You can't keep going back to the general fund."
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.
We're doomed... the end is near.... :pope:
This seems a pretty nasty drop in govt revenue though. Too bad our govt can't afford to run without taking money from Soc Security, taking massive loans, etc. And that's all during good economic times!
"Taxes won't go up for all but the richest Americans!" - Obama
Ah, brings back fond memories.
We need new sources of income!
Space exploration!!!
Good thing Obama has decided not to rule out tax increases for the middle class. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 01:57:55 PM
We need new sources of income!
Space exploration!!!
MEXICAN ENSLAVEMENT!
Quote from: Caliga on August 04, 2009, 01:56:47 PM
"Taxes won't go up for all but the richest Americans!" - Obama
Ah, brings back fond memories.
I don't think "rich" means what you think it means.... ;)
Besides, we don't have nearly enough rich people, businesses earning over the dreaded 250k or so amount, or who ever else over that amount, to stuff and soak to pay off all the losses incurred by the Bush admin and now the even larger toll the Obama admin and Congress is racking up.
Your taxes won't go up. But hey, value added tax, tax and trade, and money taken from those evil rich people and businesses won't affect you!
And besides, a value added tax, energy tax and trade, and what ever else is cooked up isn't really a tax on you! :whistle: It's only a tax on other people! :D
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 04, 2009, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 01:57:55 PM
We need new sources of income!
Space exploration!!!
MEXICAN ENSLAVEMENT!
I'd like to see you try.
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They'll come a'runnin and I'll catch them in a giant net.
I'd never enslave Jaron though. I'd put Tim out in the fields though.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fanfareattractions.com%2Fmediac%2F400_0%2Fmedia%2FCinco%2420Crowd.jpg&hash=fbfee4fc6b928ac6bcfe02b2bd33af74e78a4761)
Better be a big net, sucka.
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 02:08:53 PM
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Better be a big net, sucka.
:rolleyes: That's only about one household-worth of Mejicans in that pic.
Quote from: derspiess on August 04, 2009, 03:24:20 PM
:rolleyes: That's only about one household-worth of Mejicans in that pic.
Ed's going to need a bigger net.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 04, 2009, 03:30:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 04, 2009, 03:24:20 PM
:rolleyes: That's only about one household-worth of Mejicans in that pic.
Ed's going to need a bigger net.
Yeah. That is what, 100, 120 beaners?
The dude in the Habs shirt don't look to spic.
What? We all have to be brown and wear sombreros to you?
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 04:55:57 PM
What? We all have to be brown and wear sombreros to you?
yes.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 04, 2009, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 04:55:57 PM
What? We all have to be brown and wear sombreros to you?
yes.
God damn, do you just sit on the forum all day waiting for me to come around so you can make Mexican jokes?
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 04, 2009, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 04:55:57 PM
What? We all have to be brown and wear sombreros to you?
yes.
God damn, do you just sit on the forum all day waiting for me to come around so you can make Mexican jokes?
Yes. :blush:
When your ancestors lived in things like this (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Favisman121.tripod.com%2Fhovel.JPG&hash=b67dd66af2afa6832b4d4f0e0c4c3d2ab3140479)
MY ancestors were living in dream cities like this:
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And uh, on my other side:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Fegfrothos%2FLand_Walls.jpg&hash=caf16db4d551e86fb4426d41e318f67576abffc5)
Last time I was in Harlan county, I saw those hovels.
Home Sweet Home?
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
Home Sweet Home?
I wish. that hovel is dreamy. :wub:
My ancestors never lived in an 'image hosted by tripod'.
I for one support Obama's plan to euthanize mentally retarded cripples like Tim.
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 05:20:20 PM
My ancestors never lived in an 'image hosted by tripod'.
It works for me , I guess it was a bad choice of image. :weep:
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 05:24:56 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 05:20:20 PM
My ancestors never lived in an 'image hosted by tripod'.
It works for me , I guess it was a bad choice of image. :weep:
Tripod is always a bad choice.
Quote from: Martinus on August 04, 2009, 05:23:02 PM
I for one support Obama's plan to euthanize mentally retarded cripples like Tim.
You shouldn't talk like that about your betters.
Also, when a person from Rhode Island is your better, maybe you should take stock of the choices you've made in your life.
How much are we collecting on the "i before e, except after c " tax?
I bet strict enforcement could make up a lot of the shortfall. At least in Rhode Island.
Quote from: Josephus on August 04, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
The dude in the Habs shirt don't look to spic.
Most of the visible faces look either Caucasian or Negro to me.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 04, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
How much are we collecting on the "i before e, except after c " tax?
I bet strict enforcement could make up a lot of the shortfall. At least in Rhode Island.
Spelling sonderkommando.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 04, 2009, 02:06:20 PM
Quote from: Jaron on August 04, 2009, 02:04:35 PM
I'd like to see you try.
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They'll come a'runnin and I'll catch them in a giant net.
:mmm:
Quote from: Caliga on August 04, 2009, 01:56:47 PM
"Taxes won't go up for all but the richest Americans!" - Obama
Ah, brings back fond memories.
All he needs to do is to define "richest" as the top 99.9% of all Americans.
Quote from: Monoriu on August 04, 2009, 08:30:19 PM
All he needs to do is to define "richest" as the top 99.9% of all Americans.
Unfortunately he already defined it as anyone making more than 250K.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 04, 2009, 08:38:49 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 04, 2009, 08:30:19 PM
All he needs to do is to define "richest" as the top 99.9% of all Americans.
Unfortunately he already defined it as anyone making more than 250K.
Talk about painting himself into a cornor :lol:
Quote from: Monoriu on August 04, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 04, 2009, 08:38:49 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 04, 2009, 08:30:19 PM
All he needs to do is to define "richest" as the top 99.9% of all Americans.
Unfortunately he already defined it as anyone making more than 250K.
Talk about painting himself into a cornor :lol:
Why do you think he's been trying to inflate the currency away? Obviously he wants 250K to be the new 25K.
Quote from: DGuller on August 05, 2009, 12:20:33 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 04, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 04, 2009, 08:38:49 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 04, 2009, 08:30:19 PM
All he needs to do is to define "richest" as the top 99.9% of all Americans.
Unfortunately he already defined it as anyone making more than 250K.
Talk about painting himself into a cornor :lol:
Why do you think he's been trying to inflate the currency away? Obviously he wants 250K to be the new 25K.
Ha! I've fooled him! I still wouldn't be over 250K even if inflation get so bad that it's only the equivilent of 25K. Wait, oh, shit.
Quote from: Monoriu on August 04, 2009, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 04, 2009, 01:56:47 PM
"Taxes won't go up for all but the richest Americans!" - Obama
Ah, brings back fond memories.
All he needs to do is to define "richest" as the top 99.9% of all Americans.
America is the richest country in the world. It's only fair to say that its citizens are the richest people. -_-