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Yes, another general election. And a new government bound to be even more shortlived.

Only the first 15 parties are listed

Holy shit, I made a poll and didn't fuck it up

Are we sure that number 10 is alive?  She looks kind of embalmed.

As an engineer I feel obligated to go with the one who most looks like a super villain.  In this case that would be number 13.  It looks like she has the same sort of hideous smile permanently rigged just like the Joker or Nancy Pelosi. 

First guy looks like a lizard person in disguise. So I voted for him :D

Quote from: Savonarola on October 19, 2025, 02:32:41 PMAs an engineer I feel obligated to go with the one who most looks like a super villain.  In this case that would be number 13.  It looks like she has the same sort of hideous smile permanently rigged just like the Joker or Nancy Pelosi. 

 :lol:
I voted for that one as well.

Quote from: Maladict on October 19, 2025, 01:32:00 PMHoly shit, I made a poll and didn't fuck it up

 :cool:


But you didn't include the tall blonde woman I'd vote for.  :(

Voted for Dutch Clark Kent.

14 looks like a happy guy. We need more joy in the Netherlands.

The guy at the top looks like a fine fellow, brave haircut too, i like the cut of his jib and voted for him  :yeah:

14 looks like either a super nice guy or a psycho. No middle ground. I will take the plunge.

I went for the one that I would be most willing to sleep with. I then found out we are exactly the same age. :ph34r:

I only know Wilders, but even if I did not know him his terrible hair disqualifies him even in this superficial survey.

Here's the description, courtesy of ChatGTP


1 PVV – Fear-mongering for votes.

2 GroenLinks–PvdA – Idealism masking impotence.

3 VVD – Greed dressed as pragmatism.

4 NSC – Empty promises in a shiny package.

5 D66 – Bureaucrats pretending to care.

6 BBB – Populism with tractors.

7 CDA – Compromise to avoid taking a stand.

8 SP – Rhetoric over results.

9 DENK – Exploiting identity for influence.

10 PvdD – Morality posturing for votes.

11 FvD – Reactionary nostalgia as spectacle.

12 SGP – Dogma before people.

13 CU – Sanctimony in a suit.

14 Volt – Utopians ignoring reality.

15 JA21 – Recycled right-wing clichés.

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 20, 2025, 10:38:38 AMThe guy at the top looks like a fine fellow, brave haircut too, i like the cut of his jib and voted for him  :yeah:

 :lol:

I nearly fell for your hook, was going to point out who he was.  :blush:

Quote from: Maladict on October 20, 2025, 12:42:50 PMHere's the description, courtesy of ChatGTP


1 PVV – Fear-mongering for votes.

2 GroenLinks–PvdA – Idealism masking impotence.

3 VVD – Greed dressed as pragmatism.

4 NSC – Empty promises in a shiny package.

5 D66 – Bureaucrats pretending to care.

6 BBB – Populism with tractors.

7 CDA – Compromise to avoid taking a stand.

8 SP – Rhetoric over results.

9 DENK – Exploiting identity for influence.

10 PvdD – Morality posturing for votes.

11 FvD – Reactionary nostalgia as spectacle.

12 SGP – Dogma before people.

13 CU – Sanctimony in a suit.

14 Volt – Utopians ignoring reality.

15 JA21 – Recycled right-wing clichés.

Sure, sure, but this is a Dutch election. I need to know the important data - how tall is each Candidate?

Quote from: Maladict on October 20, 2025, 12:42:50 PM15 JA21 – Recycled right-wing clichés.

Which cliches?

I voted flower man. Figuring green.
So socialist.
This is fine.

Quote from: Maladict on October 20, 2025, 12:42:50 PMHere's the description, courtesy of ChatGTP


1 PVV – Fear-mongering for votes.

2 GroenLinks–PvdA – Idealism masking impotence.

3 VVD – Greed dressed as pragmatism.

4 NSC – Empty promises in a shiny package.

5 D66 – Bureaucrats pretending to care.

6 BBB – Populism with tractors.

7 CDA – Compromise to avoid taking a stand.

8 SP – Rhetoric over results.

9 DENK – Exploiting identity for influence.

10 PvdD – Morality posturing for votes.

11 FvD – Reactionary nostalgia as spectacle.

12 SGP – Dogma before people.

13 CU – Sanctimony in a suit.

14 Volt – Utopians ignoring reality.

15 JA21 – Recycled right-wing clichés.

Tough choice between "Empty promises in a shiny package" and "Rhetoric over results."  On the one hand, I do like some good rhetoric. On the other hand, who can resist a shiny package?

I could always just go for 13.  Not a big fan of sanctimony, but just about anything can look good in the right suit.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 20, 2025, 02:50:14 PM

Quote from: Maladict on October 20, 2025, 12:42:50 PM15 JA21 – Recycled right-wing clichés.

Which cliches?

Culture wars, anti DEI, anti supranational organizations, efficiency minister, take back control, law and order, etc etc

The nature of the electoral system will make it impossible to form a majority anyway, so I went with the woman I found most attractive.

I haven't been to the Netherlands for a decade or so, but my impression was that it was a very ordered country. Like Germany, only with taller people and as soon as you set foot outside a city, there are greenhouses and heavily cultivated fields.

I suppose you Dutch debate immigration. Again. Why not debate why you are all 3 metric metres tall?  ;)

The Dutch even calculated the cost benefits of immigration. Iirc it cost as much as the entirety of revenues of all the gas they pumped up.
Poof, and it's gone.

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on October 21, 2025, 01:36:18 AMThe Dutch even calculated the cost benefits of immigration. Iirc it cost as much as the entirety of revenues of all the gas they pumped up.
Poof, and it's gone.

Wonder how much DENK, the Turko-islamist party posing as leftist yet more and more if not already taqqiya-style islamist reactionary when it suits them, cost as part of that equation.  :hmm:

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on October 21, 2025, 01:36:18 AMThe Dutch even calculated the cost benefits of immigration. Iirc it cost as much as the entirety of revenues of all the gas they pumped up.
Poof, and it's gone.

Another lie.
THEY didn't do that. A group of economists funded by the FvD did.
Their methodology sucked and it wasn't published in a reputable journal or peer reviewed.
When I read about it I saw that they used a lot of the typical correlation=causation tricks to mask the true reasons why some people are less economically productive than others. They focussed on immigration and worked backwards from there to prove immigration is bad rather than performing a neutral analysis.

I voted #8, because we all know that bearded men are more trustworthy, unless they wear a tie (sorry #9).

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on October 21, 2025, 01:36:18 AMThe Dutch even calculated the cost benefits of immigration. Iirc it cost as much as the entirety of revenues of all the gas they pumped up.
Poof, and it's gone.

Starting to get the subtle sense that you think immigration might be problematic.

The Languish poll tradition continues...we'd elect Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS to rule over us. :(

Quote from: Tonitrus on October 21, 2025, 11:40:07 AMThe Languish poll tradition continues...we'd elect Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS to rule over us. :(

Only if she looked like the one from the movies, not the real one.  :contract:  :P

Quote from: crazy canuck on October 20, 2025, 02:07:27 PMSure, sure, but this is a Dutch election. I need to know the important data - how tall is each Candidate?

If only conflicts could be ended by height.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/kWuXmB1cyA4gwPTrqThaJA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTc3OTtjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/snopes_632/5716dc0592a8e8fd8d5210a3e1d76aa8)

(https://i.redd.it/l5qak7w81qy81.jpg)

Proper sized leaders - comforting to see.

Looks like he even has a couple inches on me.

Wonder how many times prime minister Gigantor smacks his head off door frames :lol:

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 21, 2025, 01:18:55 PMLooks like he even has a couple inches on me.

He's taller, too.

:P

(https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/slow_clap_citizen_kane.gif)

Quote from: Syt on October 21, 2025, 01:50:21 PM

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 21, 2025, 01:18:55 PMLooks like he even has a couple inches on me.

He's taller, too.

:P

:lol:

It's a shame that Syt won't be able to access languish anymore, I liked him,

 :D

:o

Quote from: HVC on October 21, 2025, 02:06:00 PMIt's a shame that Syt won't be able to access languish anymore, I liked him,

Just on double secret probation. :ph34r: :shifty:

 :ph34r:

What are the probabilities of the Netherlands shifting direction significantly in these policy areas (and in which direction) as a result of the election:

• Russia and Ukraine
• The EU
• The environment

I am curious how a party that seems pretty clear on its policies to dramatically reduce freedoms for people calls itself the Party for Freedom. But maybe it makes more sense in Dutch.

Its an abbreviation for Party for Freedom Reduction and eventual Elimination. Plus you will now be free to use racial  slurs down the pub and on social media. You some sort of commie Valmy?

Quote from: Valmy on October 21, 2025, 07:40:48 PMI am curious how a party that seems pretty clear on its policies to dramatically reduce freedoms for people calls itself the Party for Freedom. But maybe it makes more sense in Dutch.

I mean, America has the Republicans who are installing a King.

Quote from: Josquius on October 22, 2025, 02:56:18 AM

Quote from: Valmy on October 21, 2025, 07:40:48 PMI am curious how a party that seems pretty clear on its policies to dramatically reduce freedoms for people calls itself the Party for Freedom. But maybe it makes more sense in Dutch.

I mean, America has the Republicans who are installing a King.

Demonstrating just how free they are. Pesky Constitutional norms aren't the boss of me!

Quote from: Josquius on October 22, 2025, 02:56:18 AM

Quote from: Valmy on October 21, 2025, 07:40:48 PMI am curious how a party that seems pretty clear on its policies to dramatically reduce freedoms for people calls itself the Party for Freedom. But maybe it makes more sense in Dutch.

I mean, America has the Republicans who are installing a King.

Well the Republicans at least have the excuse that they were named in 1854. This party was formed with this set of policies in mind.

Quote from: Jacob on October 21, 2025, 05:56:51 PMWhat are the probabilities of the Netherlands shifting direction significantly in these policy areas (and in which direction) as a result of the election:

• Russia and Ukraine
• The EU
• The environment

Not much. Almost all parties have excluded Wilders, so he's not getting in unless he gets a monstrous amount of votes. The remaining parties are pro Europe, mostly pro Ukraine and somewhat pro environment.

Quote from: Valmy on October 21, 2025, 07:40:48 PMI am curious how a party that seems pretty clear on its policies to dramatically reduce freedoms for people calls itself the Party for Freedom. But maybe it makes more sense in Dutch.

It doesn't. It only works if it's short for Freedom To Go Back To The Good Old Days When Minorities And Women Knew Their Place.

Quote from: Maladict on October 24, 2025, 05:17:56 AMNot much. Almost all parties have excluded Wilders, so he's not getting in unless he gets a monstrous amount of votes. The remaining parties are pro Europe, mostly pro Ukraine and somewhat pro environment.

Well that's reassuring in these troubled times  :hug:

Quote from: Maladict on October 24, 2025, 05:25:13 AM

Quote from: Valmy on October 21, 2025, 07:40:48 PMI am curious how a party that seems pretty clear on its policies to dramatically reduce freedoms for people calls itself the Party for Freedom. But maybe it makes more sense in Dutch.

It doesn't. It only works if it's short for Freedom To Go Back To The Good Old Days When Minorities And Women Knew Their Place.

We call ours The Progress Party. :uffda:

It is sort of in the cards that the more "democratic" and "freedom" words there in a party's title, the less there is of it. "Peace and Reconcilation" usually means "Let me put my boot in".

European party politics is really on the ropes, hanging on by a thread.

Quote from: Norgy on October 24, 2025, 03:34:03 PMWe call ours The Progress Party. :uffda:

It is sort of in the cards that the more "democratic" and "freedom" words there in a party's title, the less there is of it. "Peace and Reconcilation" usually means "Let me put my boot in".

European party politics is really on the ropes, hanging on by a thread.

On the names, I always think of this (from several years ago but still true :lol: :ph34r:
(https://preview.redd.it/average-europoor-election-v0-okfmf6sovate1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=db46839cb788ffb6c591b672da6fb35871c0a7fd)

Damn, that's so accurate, matches nearly 1:1 for Spain if we had a green party  :lol:

- Popular Party (center-right)
- Spanish Socialist Workers Party (center-left)
- Vox (fasch)
- Citizens (center, now defunct) - it lacks the "Montgomery Burns wearing a cool t-shirt and a beanie cap" vibes that "Wow!" conveys, but we'll get there.
- United We Can / We Can  (left)

Quote from: celedhring on October 28, 2025, 02:50:37 AMDamn, that's so accurate, matches nearly 1:1 for Spain if we had a green party  :lol:

- Popular Party (center-right)
- Spanish Socialist Workers Party (center-left)
- Vox (fasch)
- Citizens (center, now defunct) - it lacks the "Montgomery Burns wearing a cool t-shirt and a beanie cap" vibes that "Wow!" conveys, but we'll get there.
- United We Can / We Can  (left)

Why no Spanish Greens? :unsure:
The fact it'd be more of a brown there?

Quote from: Josquius on October 28, 2025, 04:04:06 AM

Quote from: celedhring on October 28, 2025, 02:50:37 AMDamn, that's so accurate, matches nearly 1:1 for Spain if we had a green party  :lol:

- Popular Party (center-right)
- Spanish Socialist Workers Party (center-left)
- Vox (fasch)
- Citizens (center, now defunct) - it lacks the "Montgomery Burns wearing a cool t-shirt and a beanie cap" vibes that "Wow!" conveys, but we'll get there.
- United We Can / We Can  (left)

Why no Spanish Greens? :unsure:
The fact it'd be more of a brown there?

Leftist parties have co-opted the environmentalist agenda, so our green party usually only runs around 1% of the vote - and their agenda is rather narrow, they are more of an animal rights party than a true green party in the European sense.

Who'd have thought a country where they let bulls make high-speed runs at people as a festive occasion would need animal rights?

Quote from: Norgy on October 28, 2025, 05:57:22 AMWho'd have thought a country where they let bulls make high-speed runs at people as a festive occasion would need animal rights?

Naw, they let the bulls gore and trample people.  It's safety bylaw officers that are needed.

(https://cdn.nos.nl/image/2025/10/29/1287504/2560x1440a.jpg)

So, it's going to be a government of some combination of:

• Bureaucrats pretending to care.
• Fear-mongering for votes.
• Greed dressed as pragmatism.
• Idealism masking impotence.
• Compromise to avoid taking a stand.

#1 + #4 seems like the least bad, maybe #1 + #5.

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 29, 2025, 05:01:27 PMSo, it's going to be a government of some combination of:

• Bureaucrats pretending to care.
• Fear-mongering for votes.
• Greed dressed as pragmatism.
• Idealism masking impotence.
• Compromise to avoid taking a stand.

#1 + #4 seems like the least bad, maybe #1 + #5.

#2 won't be in, nobody wants them.

It will likely be:
    Bureaucrats pretending to care.
    Idealism masking impotence.
    Compromise to avoid taking a stand.

plus one of:
   Greed dressed as pragmatism.
   Recycled right-wing clichés.

with the result of nothing getting solved, cans kicked down road, everyone unhappy so the cycle can start anew. It's the same everywhere. At least your finances are relatively in order (unlike over here)

It's looking good for the Dutch. :cheese:

It does seem a more positive, hopeful campaign might be the way forward.