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Title: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Solmyr on January 03, 2025, 05:00:47 AM
"Catwoman" Jocelyn Wildenstein kicks off the year.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/01/style/jocelyn-wildenstein-death-cec/index.html
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: grumbler on January 03, 2025, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 03, 2025, 05:00:47 AM"Catwoman" Jocelyn Wildenstein kicks off the year.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/01/style/jocelyn-wildenstein-death-cec/index.html


Needs a new thread.  Make it so.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: The Minsky Moment on January 03, 2025, 01:59:54 PM
I'm not doing this again, I almost killed off Mel Brooks, and with the Spaceballs sequel about to release.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on January 03, 2025, 09:17:42 PM
They started production?
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: viper37 on January 04, 2025, 07:27:40 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 03, 2025, 09:17:42 PMThey started production?
He was just briefed on current SW events since the OT.

Script is being written.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Duque de Bragança on January 07, 2025, 08:14:22 AM
Jean-Marie Le Pen, 96.

I guess that's why he had been rushing to get his Mémoires written and published.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on January 07, 2025, 01:17:50 PM
So, he did manage to put le pen to paper?
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Duque de Bragança on January 07, 2025, 01:23:10 PM
That's a nice way to put it.  :P

Yes, in 2019.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Sheilbh on January 14, 2025, 12:55:40 PM
I think only Brits will know him - but RIP Tony Slattery :(

Brilliant interview from Hadley Freeman a few years ago:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/29/tony-slattery-had-very-happy-time-went-slightly-barmy

When I was growing up I thought he was the funniest man on TV.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: viper37 on January 14, 2025, 01:04:20 PM
Only older Québécois like me will remember Kim Yaroshevskaya. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Yaroshevskaya)

A Russian emigrant, daughter of revolutionary Russians who fled Stalin's purges in 1933 at age 10.

She created a character named Fanfreluche, a doll who read stories and then interacted with the stories by entering the books to change it for a better ending.  I loved that as a young kid, which were reruns by then.

Died this week at 101 years old.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Barrister on January 14, 2025, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 14, 2025, 12:55:40 PMI think only Brits will know him - but RIP Tony Slattery :(

Brilliant interview from Hadley Freeman a few years ago:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/29/tony-slattery-had-very-happy-time-went-slightly-barmy

When I was growing up I thought he was the funniest man on TV.

Never heard of the guy - but that's quite the article.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Grey Fox on January 14, 2025, 09:34:04 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 14, 2025, 01:04:20 PMOnly older Québécois like me will remember Kim Yaroshevskaya. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Yaroshevskaya)

A Russian emigrant, daughter of revolutionary Russians who fled Stalin's purges in 1933 at age 10.

She created a character named Fanfreluche, a doll who read stories and then interacted with the stories by entering the books to change it for a better ending.  I loved that as a young kid, which were reruns by then.

Died this week at 101 years old.

I remember grand mère from Passe-Partout
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on January 16, 2025, 12:18:55 PM
RIP Bob Uecker, 90 years.

(https://media.tenor.com/269KAC5s7VoAAAAM/major-league-harry-doyle.gif)
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: viper37 on January 16, 2025, 01:40:48 PM
David Lynch, 78 years old has passed away.

:(
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josephus on January 16, 2025, 01:44:22 PM
 :(

In my 20s he was movie God.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Sheilbh on January 16, 2025, 02:01:25 PM
Oh RIP :(
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Tamas on January 16, 2025, 02:05:35 PM
I wasn't a massive fan of his (I do love twin peaks though) but it's sad to see the cultural icons of the defining years of my life starting to die off.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on January 16, 2025, 02:05:52 PM
:(
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Barrister on January 16, 2025, 03:32:54 PM
I came to post about Bob Uecker, stayed to learn David Lynch passed away.

RIP to both.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Barrister on January 16, 2025, 03:33:37 PM
p.s. I still like David Lynch's Dune, flawed as it may be.  The visuals are still stunning.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josephus on January 16, 2025, 07:16:25 PM
How did I completely miss Inland Emoire, his last film? Just heard about it today.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josephus on January 30, 2025, 02:10:52 PM
Marianne Faithfull... a true legend.

Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Duque de Bragança on January 30, 2025, 02:12:07 PM
Quote from: Josephus on January 16, 2025, 01:44:22 PM:(

In my 20s he was movie God.

He will be remembered as such.

RIP
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: mongers on January 30, 2025, 03:03:34 PM
Quote from: Josephus on January 30, 2025, 02:10:52 PMMarianne Faithfull... a true legend.



That's a good innings and range of stroke played in it, especially considering her at times to the max lifestyle.  :bowler: 
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josephus on January 31, 2025, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 30, 2025, 03:03:34 PM
Quote from: Josephus on January 30, 2025, 02:10:52 PMMarianne Faithfull... a true legend.



That's a good innings and range of stroke played in it, especially considering her at times to the max lifestyle.  :bowler: 

Don't completely get the cricket references, but yeah, she's certainly in the Kieth Richards league of survivors.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on February 27, 2025, 02:06:02 AM
Roberta Flack
Michelle Trachtenberg
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on February 27, 2025, 04:14:00 AM
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/27/entertainment/gene-hackman-betsy-arakawa-death/index.html

QuoteActor Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy Arakawa found dead in their New Mexico home, police say

Actor Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy Arakawa have been found dead in their home in New Mexico, the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office told CNN.

Their cause of death has not been confirmed but it is not believed to be foul play, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Denise Womack-Avila said.

This is a developing story and will be updated.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: HVC on February 27, 2025, 06:24:32 AM
And their dog, so gas leak i guess?
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 27, 2025, 08:01:46 AM
I heard carbon monoxide.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Razgovory on February 27, 2025, 11:34:13 AM
100-1 odds: suicide by cop.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Valmy on February 27, 2025, 11:40:25 AM
His wife was only in her 60s so yeah it had to be something like that. He was super old, but his wife died way before her time.

Anyway RIP to a legendary actor.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: PJL on February 27, 2025, 11:50:50 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 27, 2025, 11:34:13 AM100-1 odds: suicide by cop.

This.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josephus on February 27, 2025, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: PJL on February 27, 2025, 11:50:50 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 27, 2025, 11:34:13 AM100-1 odds: suicide by cop.

This.

We would know by now if cops involved.  I think murder suicide
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: grumbler on February 27, 2025, 06:09:57 PM
It looks like Hackman died of natural causes/heart attack, and his despairing wife subsequently killed herself and their dog.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: HVC on February 27, 2025, 06:10:24 PM
But only one of three dogs.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: grumbler on February 27, 2025, 06:11:44 PM
Quote from: HVC on February 27, 2025, 06:10:24 PMBut only one of three dogs.

The others were outside.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Valmy on February 27, 2025, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 27, 2025, 06:09:57 PMIt looks like Hackman died of natural causes/heart attack, and his despairing wife subsequently killed herself and their dog.

Seriously? Oh wow.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: viper37 on March 07, 2025, 05:06:10 PM
Gene Hackman's wife died of hantavirus; actor died of cardiovascular disease: Officials (https://abcnews.go.com/US/gene-hackman-death-mystery-sheriff-provide-updates-friday/story?id=119510052)


QuoteThe causes of deaths of actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, were revealed by authorities on Friday, more than one week after the couple was mysteriously found dead in their Santa Fe, New Mexico, home.

Hackman, 95, died of cardiovascular and Alzheimer's disease likely around Feb. 18, about one week after his wife died from a rare syndrome, hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, on about Feb. 11, officials said.

Hackman's death was from "hypertensive and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, with Alzheimer's disease as a significant contributory factor," Dr. Heather Jarrell, chief medical investigator for the state's Office of the Medical Investigator, announced at a news conference.

"Mr. Hackman showed evidence of advanced Alzheimer's disease," she said. "He was in a very poor state of health. He had significant heart disease, and I think, ultimately, that is what resulted in his death."

Arakawa, 65, died from hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, a rare disease transmitted through rodent urine, droppings or saliva, officials said.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the disease "initially causes flu-like symptoms that can progress to more severe illness where people have trouble breathing."
Those who contract hantavirus after being exposed to rodent excrement often feel ill for roughly three to six days, Jarrell said.

"Then they can transition to that pulmonary phase, where they have fluid in their lungs and around their lungs," she said. "And at that point, a person can die very quickly, within 24 to 48 hours, roughly speaking, without medical treatment."
Hackman was likely home with his deceased wife for one week before he died, Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza said. There was no food in his stomach, which means he had not eaten recently, but he had also no evidence of dehydration, officials said.

Hackman "was in an advanced state of Alzheimer's, and it's quite possible that he was not aware that she was deceased," Jarrell said, adding that the "question is difficult to answer."

The Academy Award-winning actor and his wife were found dead during a Feb. 26 welfare check, with no obvious signs of how they died, the sheriff's office said.

Authorities said last week that the couple tested negative for carbon monoxide. The New Mexico Gas Company also concluded its investigation for carbon monoxide at the home, saying there were "no significant findings" of leaks.

Authorities said last week that their deaths were "suspicious enough in nature to require a thorough search and investigation," according to a search warrant affidavit.

Hackman was discovered on the floor in the mud room and it appeared he fell suddenly, according to the search warrant.
Hackman suffered from "severe heart disease, including multiple surgical procedures involving the heart, evidence of prior heart attacks and severe changes of the kidneys due to chronic high blood pressure," Jarrell said.

The actor's "initial pacemaker data revealed cardiac activity on Feb. 17, with subsequent pacemaker interrogation demonstrating an abnormal rhythm of atrial fibrillation on Feb. 18, which was the last record of heart activity," Jarrell said.
Hackman tested negative for hantavirus, officials noted.

Arakawa was found lying on her side on the floor in a bathroom, with a space heater near her body, according to the search warrant. Her body showed signs of decomposition; there was mummification to her hands and feet, the document said.

On the counter near Arakawa was an opened prescription bottle, with pills scattered, according to the search warrant. The pills were determined to be thyroid medication that was being taken as prescribed and did not appear to have any contribution to her death, officials said on Friday.

One of the couple's three dogs was found dead in a crate about 10 to 15 feet from Arakawa's body, officials said.

But their two other dogs were found alive. It appeared they had access to a doggy door; one dog was found near Arakawa's body and the other was located outside, according to Mendoza.
The sheriff on Friday outlined Arakawa's final days.

On Feb. 9, Arakawa picked up one of their three dogs -- the dog who was later found dead in the home with the couple -- from a vet hospital after a procedure, which may explain why the dog was discovered in a crate when the bodies were found, the sheriff said.

On the afternoon of Feb. 11, Arakawa went to a farmer's market, CVS and a pet food store, and entered her gated community at 5:15 p.m., the sheriff said.

There's no evidence she had any communication after Feb. 11, the sheriff said, saying all of her emails were unread after that date.

It's possible the dog died from lack of access to food and water, said Dr. Erin Phipps, veterinarian with the New Mexico Department of Health, but officials are awaiting results of the necropsy.
Dogs do not get sick from hantavirus, she noted.

There were 864 cases of hantavirus in the U.S. from 1993 to 2022, according to the CDC.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on March 08, 2025, 12:37:01 AM
That's fucking tragic :(
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Maladict on March 08, 2025, 05:40:44 AM
Why are all these personal details made public by the authorities? It's none of anyone's business. I get that dead people don't have privacy rights, but there's also no reason to do it other than entertaining the public's morbid fascination.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: mongers on March 08, 2025, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: Maladict on March 08, 2025, 05:40:44 AMWhy are all these personal details made public by the authorities? It's none of anyone's business. I get that dead people don't have privacy rights, but there's also no reason to do it other than entertaining the public's morbid fascination.

Indeed, maybe it to guilt his surviving children, how did none of them manage to contact the house over those 10 days? 
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josephus on March 08, 2025, 09:47:13 AM
Strange that with their wealth (I'm guessing) they didn't have housekeepers, caregivers, etc. come visit them.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: HVC on March 08, 2025, 09:48:00 AM
Weren't they found by the help?
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 08, 2025, 09:52:58 AM
That poor dog. What a horrible way to go.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Grey Fox on March 08, 2025, 01:39:31 PM
Quote from: Maladict on March 08, 2025, 05:40:44 AMWhy are all these personal details made public by the authorities? It's none of anyone's business. I get that dead people don't have privacy rights, but there's also no reason to do it other than entertaining the public's morbid fascination.

Gotta stop the conspiracies with transparency.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 08, 2025, 09:24:37 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 08, 2025, 01:39:31 PM
Quote from: Maladict on March 08, 2025, 05:40:44 AMWhy are all these personal details made public by the authorities? It's none of anyone's business. I get that dead people don't have privacy rights, but there's also no reason to do it other than entertaining the public's morbid fascination.

Gotta stop the conspiracies with transparency.
THat's just what They want you to believe.  But unlike the ignorant masses of sheep I know better.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: crazy canuck on March 10, 2025, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: Maladict on March 08, 2025, 05:40:44 AMWhy are all these personal details made public by the authorities? It's none of anyone's business. I get that dead people don't have privacy rights, but there's also no reason to do it other than entertaining the public's morbid fascination.

Two reasons.  One, it alerts the public to a health concern about the virus being present in that area.  Second, there was some suspicion of foul play, which is now answered in the negative.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Maladict on March 11, 2025, 02:13:09 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 10, 2025, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: Maladict on March 08, 2025, 05:40:44 AMWhy are all these personal details made public by the authorities? It's none of anyone's business. I get that dead people don't have privacy rights, but there's also no reason to do it other than entertaining the public's morbid fascination.

Two reasons.  One, it alerts the public to a health concern about the virus being present in that area.  Second, there was some suspicion of foul play, which is now answered in the negative.

Certainly. But a 'natural causes, no virus' would have sufficed. We don't need to know when they checked their email, what medication they were taking or which parts of the bodies were decomposed and to what extent.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: mongers on March 11, 2025, 08:42:22 AM
Well on Sunday by brother had to pull the body of his father-in-law out of their lake. He's was found floating face down in the water after being absent for a couple of hours.
Presumably the coroner will determine if it was a heart attack/ stroke etc.

Grim for my brother and his family, and a reminder of just how fleeting life is, even when it's not a celebrity.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josquius on March 11, 2025, 11:56:15 AM
That's terrible for him.
But got to ask as it stands out - THEIR lake?
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: mongers on March 11, 2025, 03:08:37 PM
Quote from: Josquius on March 11, 2025, 11:56:15 AMThat's terrible for him.
But got to ask as it stands out - THEIR lake?

Nothing grand, he just made some small lakes for fishing on in some not very useful land on his small farm.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Maladict on March 11, 2025, 03:15:55 PM
That's awful  :(
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on March 11, 2025, 03:21:47 PM
I'm sorry, mongers :(
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: mongers on March 11, 2025, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: Syt on March 11, 2025, 03:21:47 PMI'm sorry, mongers :(

He was not someone I knew much, just sad for his daughter and family.

But it's no worse than being hit by a car/bus/tram whilst crossing the road.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Maladict on March 21, 2025, 06:21:38 AM
RIP Eddie Jordan
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: mongers on March 21, 2025, 06:49:05 AM
Quote from: Maladict on March 21, 2025, 06:21:38 AMRIP Eddie Jordan

Yep a real character, didn't seem to take himself too seriously.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Sheilbh on March 21, 2025, 08:22:53 PM
It helps that he looks the part :lol:

But from what I've read of Able Archer and the paranoia at that time I find it kind of terrifying so think this may the death of one of those people who are not well known but possibly very significant (I think Stanislav Petrov who didn't escalate the Soviet nuclear false alarm also died quite recently). I always find it strange how little existential anxiety we all have over nukes now:
QuoteOleg Gordievsky obituary
Russian spy who was the highest ranking KGB officer to defect to Britain
Richard Norton-Taylor
Fri 21 Mar 2025 18.23 GMT

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/d9f43fd1dfc21256ee3554a621e1644a8a98beae/0_1658_2563_1536/master/2563.jpg?width=1900&dpr=2&s=none&crop=none)
Oleg Gordievsky was smuggled out of Russia in the boot of a car driven by an MI6 officer. Photograph: Richard Wayman/Alamy

For more than a decade the senior KGB officer Oleg Gordievsky, who has died aged 86, spied for MI6 before escaping execution by being dramatically smuggled out of the Soviet Union in the boot of a car. He was the highest ranking KGB officer to defect to Britain, and his most important contribution as a spy was to warn Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan of the Soviet leadership's paranoia at a time when the world was moving dangerously close to nuclear war.

Gordievsky first came to the notice of MI6 after a tip-off from a Czechoslovakian spy, Standa Kaplan, who had defected to Canada. Kaplan mentioned Gordievsky as an old friend from the KGB academy, where they would together question the direction the Kremlin was taking. By then Gordievsky was a KGB officer attached to the Soviet embassy in Copenhagen; in 1972 he responded favourably to delicate approaches made by MI6 officers in the Danish capital, after phone taps revealed that in calls to his wife in Moscow he had expressed growing concern about the Kremlin's actions, specifically mentioning the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. He began spying for Britain when he returned to Moscow in 1974.

He continued to do so when – to the delight of British intelligence – he was moved in 1982 to London, where he was eventually appointed the KGB rezident, its head of station. However, in 1985 Soviet suspicions about him surfaced following a tip-off from Aldrich Ames, a senior CIA officer who was spying for the KGB. Gordievsky was summoned back to Moscow for questioning and, after four months of being closely watched, escaped in an episode that might have come straight out of the pages of spy fiction.

Over his many years of spying, Gordievsky's most valuable achievement was reassuring the Kremlin that a major annual Nato exercise in Germany, code-named Able Archer 83, was not the precursor to a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the Soviet Union. It was a period of heightened cold war tension between the two superpowers, which was made worse by Reagan's rhetoric and the paranoia of the Soviet leader Yuri Andropov, who came to power in 1982. In 1981, when he was head of the KGB, Andropov had launched Operation Ryan, which dispatched KGB officers around the world to gather evidence of US plans for a first strike. Gordievsky later described how KGB officers in London were ordered to find out whether NHS hospitals were stocking up supplies of blood and to watch the windows of the Ministry of Defence and other Whitehall departments to see if their lights were burning through the night.

Through his MI6 handlers, Gordievsky warned Thatcher, who in turn warned Reagan, that the Kremlin's concern about what the US and Nato were up to was genuine. With the KGB hierarchy in Moscow reluctant to dismiss Andropov's paranoia, it was left to Gordievsky to reassure the Kremlin that Nato had no intention of launching nuclear weapons against the Soviet Union. Later, Gordievsky's other valuable role was assuring western leaders, notably Thatcher, that the new Soviet president, Mikhail Gorbachev, was a genuine reformer who should be taken seriously.

Gordievsky was born in Moscow. His father, Anton, was a highly committed officer of the NKVD, the KGB's precursor, and an enthusiastic supporter of Stalin's purges, but his mother, Olga, a statistician, hinted privately to Oleg that she held Soviet communism in contempt. While his elder brother, Vasily, was establishing a career in the KGB, Oleg studied at the prestigious Moscow State Institute of International Relations.

He subsequently joined the Russian foreign service and was posted to East Berlin in 1961 just as the wall was being constructed. He accepted an invitation to join the KGB in 1963 and was posted to Copenhagen. After his second tour there, when he was recruited by MI6, he returned in 1978 to Moscow, where he threw himself into brushing up his English and learning about British politics. Helped by a shortage of KGB British experts, he was rewarded in 1982 with a posting to London.

In London Gordievsky regularly met his MI6 handlers at a safe house in Bayswater. Thatcher was told about him, but she knew his identity only as "Mr Collins". MI6 officers passed him chickenfeed – snippets of low-grade intelligence – to keep Moscow Centre happy with his work. Among information he fed MI6 was material about Britain he saw in the KGB's vast archives.

It included, he said, reports that the KGB regarded Michael Foot as an "actual agent" and made regular payments to the future Labour leader, whom they codenamed "Agent Boot". However, Gordievsky's claims about Foot, which he said MI6 believed, were inconsistent, and sit oddly with Foot's longstanding record of opposing the Soviet Union and its policies. After the Sunday Times published allegations in 1995 that he was a Soviet "agent of influence", Foot successfully sued for libel and was awarded substantial damages.

Gordievsky did, however, identify one individual with the potential to inflict real damage to British interests. He was Michael Bettaney, an unstable MI5 officer who had been sent to trouble-torn Northern Ireland, where various traumatic incidents led him into heavy drinking and a nervous breakdown. Confused and embittered, in June 1983 Bettaney had stuffed a batch of highly sensitive internal MI5 documents, including the names of senior MI5 staff, into the letter box of the London house of the KGB rezident, Arkady Guk.

Suspecting a trap, Guk consulted Gordievsky, who at the time was his deputy. Gordievsky told Guk he was clearly the victim of a set-up, before informing, as quickly as he could, his MI6 controllers. Bettaney became the first MI5 officer to face trial under the Official Secrets Act and was sentenced to 23 years in jail, while the exposure of Guk during the trial enabled the UK government to expel him, conveniently paving the way for Gordievsky to take over as the KGB's head of station in London.

Shortly afterwards the KGB got wind, through Ames, that one of their senior officers was a mole working for British intelligence. Various checks, allied to the way the Bettaney affair had panned out, soon pointed to Gordievsky as being that mole.

In May 1985 he was summoned back to Moscow and taken to a KGB safe house, where he was drugged and interrogated. Although he was released, he knew it would only be a matter of time before he would be interrogated again. Under a plan worked out in advance by MI6, at 7.30pm every Tuesday its officers would keep a watch on a certain bread shop in Moscow. In case of emergency, Gordievsky was told to turn up there wearing a grey cap and holding a plastic bag with the bright logo of Safeway supermarket.

An MI6 officer would then walk past him munching a Mars bar or a KitKat – a signal that would confirm the triggering of an operation, codenamed Pimlico, to smuggle him out of Russia. In July 1985 he activated the plan by visiting the bakers with his Safeway bag, and the next day caught a train to Leningrad (now St Petersburg), where he took another train to a Russian town close to the Finnish border.

In the course of an extraordinary day in which KGB teams tried to track down two cars driven by MI6 officers and their families, he was eventually shoved into the boot of one of them. After the tensest of moments, Soviet border guards, whose dogs were distracted by the smell of soiled nappies in Gordievsky's car, let through the two vehicles, which had diplomatic plates. Gordievsky emerged in Finland and was flown to Britain via Norway. In Moscow he was sentenced to death, in absentia, for treason.

MI6 quickly found him a house near Godalming in Surrey, where his identity was protected. But he was without his family and lonely, and suffered the withdrawal symptoms that spies so often experience once the excitement of their secret life and defection has died down. Aware of the dangers, MI6 encouraged Gordievsky to write a history of the KGB with the Cambridge historian Christopher Andrew. The KGB: The Inside Story was published in 1990, and the following year Gordievsky produced Instructions From the Centre, a book that described how he and fellow KGB officers conned Moscow headquarters into believing their intelligence reports were the result of expensive lunches with valuable British contacts.

His autobiography, Next Stop Execution, was published in 1995, accompanied by the claims about Foot.

In 2007, Gordievsky was appointed CMG, for "services to the security of the UK".

Later that year he was rushed to hospital where he spent 34 hours unconscious. He claimed he was poisoned with thallium by "rogue elements in Moscow", a contention that was never proved but led him to criticise MI6 for not looking after him properly.

His first marriage, to Yelena Akopian, a KGB officer, ended in divorce. In 1979 he married Leila Aliyeva, whom he met in Copenhagen, where she worked for the World Health Organization. They had two daughters, Maria and Anna.

Gordiesvky told neither of his wives that he was a double agent, to protect them if they were subjected to interrogation if he was caught or fled. Leila and his daughters were on holiday in Azerbaijan at the time of his escape. Under pressure from the KGB, Leila divorced him. In 1991, she and their daughters were allowed to join him in Britain. But forced separation and the knowledge that Gordievsky had led a double life meant their relationship could not be restored. She soon returned to Russia. Their daughters, who do not use their father's name, are believed to still live in Britain.

Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky, intelligence officer, born 10 October 1938; death announced 21 March 2025

Edit: Also I think there is zero chance Michael Foot was ever in the pay of the KGB - that's mad.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 30, 2025, 09:34:10 AM
Richard Chamberlain, actor. Known for Shogun and the first to play Jason Bourne, on a TV mini-séries. Died the the day before his 91st birthday.

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/richard-chamberlain-dead-dies-shogun-thorn-birds-1236351970/ (https://variety.com/2025/film/news/richard-chamberlain-dead-dies-shogun-thorn-birds-1236351970/)
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 30, 2025, 10:08:12 AM
Earlier in the month, Wings Hauser, 77, quite a common face on TV and big screen in the 80' and 90s.

Also, Richard Norton, 75, seen in the Octagon with Chuck Norris, Gymkata (!) and Mad Max Furiosa.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: viper37 on March 30, 2025, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: mongers on March 11, 2025, 08:42:22 AMWell on Sunday by brother had to pull the body of his father-in-law out of their lake. He's was found floating face down in the water after being absent for a couple of hours.
Presumably the coroner will determine if it was a heart attack/ stroke etc.

Grim for my brother and his family, and a reminder of just how fleeting life is, even when it's not a celebrity.
That's awful.

My sympathy Mongers :(
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: viper37 on March 30, 2025, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 30, 2025, 09:34:10 AMRichard Chamberlain, actor. Known for Shogun and the first to play Jason Bourne, on a TV mini-séries. Died the the day before his 91st birthday.

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/richard-chamberlain-dead-dies-shogun-thorn-birds-1236351970/ (https://variety.com/2025/film/news/richard-chamberlain-dead-dies-shogun-thorn-birds-1236351970/)
He was great in Shogun.  Don't remember that Jason Bourne mini-series.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on April 02, 2025, 12:53:00 AM
RIP Val Kilmer, age 65.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy5ry5x9xz0o

QuoteTop Gun and Batman actor Val Kilmer dies aged 65

Hollywood actor Val Kilmer, known for his roles in some of the biggest movies of the 1980s and 90s, including Top Gun and Batman Forever, has died aged 65.

He also starred in 1991's The Doors - playing the band's frontman Jim Morrison - plus the Western Tombstone and crime drama Heat.

Kilmer died of pneumonia on Tuesday in Los Angeles, his daughter Mercedes told US media. She said her father had been diagnosed with throat cancer in 2014 but later recovered.

Tracheotomy surgery affected his voice and curtailed his acting career, but he returned to the screen to reprise his role as fighter pilot Iceman alongside Tom Cruise in 2022's Top Gun: Maverick.

"See ya, pal. I'm going to miss you", American actor Josh Brolin wrote alongside a picture of himself and Kilmer on Instagram.

"You were a smart, challenging, brave, uber-creative firecracker. There's not a lot left of those", he added.

In 2021, Kilmer released a documentary chronicling the highs and lows of his life and career. Val, which debuted at the Cannes Film Festival, features 40 years of home recordings, including him speaking with a voice box post-cancer surgery.

Born Val Edward Kilmer on 31 December 1959, Kilmer grew up in a middle-class family in Los Angeles.

His parents were Christian Scientists, a movement to which Kilmer would adhere for the rest of his life.

Aged 17, he became the then-youngest pupil to enrol at the Julliard School, in New York, one of the world's most prestigious drama conservatories.

Kilmer had two children with his ex-wife, actress Joanne Whalley.


He'll always be Nick Rivers to me. :(

(https://i.imgur.com/HC5G7RV.png)
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Valmy on April 02, 2025, 08:32:33 AM
RIP Doc Holliday.

He looked terrible these last few years so I am not surprised but still rather young to go.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Sheilbh on April 02, 2025, 08:38:14 AM
Oh RIP :(

This news made me sadder than I expected or is normally the way with celebrities' deaths. A lot of his films were regular watches when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: crazy canuck on April 02, 2025, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 02, 2025, 08:32:33 AMRIP Doc Holliday.

 :yes:

He was amazing in that role.

RIP Val, you brought a lot of enjoyment into our lives.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Duque de Bragança on April 06, 2025, 11:34:36 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 02, 2025, 08:38:14 AMOh RIP :(



The new Top Gun movie made it clear, for those who had not followed him for as while, that he was on the end.
RIP

Quote from: Sheilbh on April 02, 2025, 08:38:14 AMOh RIP :(

This news made me sadder than I expected or is normally the way with celebrities' deaths. A lot of his films were regular watches when I was a kid.

Even the Island of Doctor Moreau?

RIP obviously, for Top Secret, Top Gun and even his Schumacher Batman, much better than the following one.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josquius on April 21, 2025, 03:08:21 AM
Sooo.....JD Vance killed the Pope.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: The Brain on April 21, 2025, 03:19:04 AM
It's official: you CAN die from cringe.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Tamas on April 21, 2025, 03:54:14 AM
Quote from: Josquius on April 21, 2025, 03:08:21 AMSooo.....JD Vance killed the Pope.

The elderly should be saved from having to meet these idiots. First Truss and the Queen, now this.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: mongers on April 21, 2025, 07:19:25 AM
 :(

And too many days before trump, I was hoping The Pontiff would outlast him.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Maladict on April 21, 2025, 09:17:34 AM
At least he outlasted Benedict.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: DGuller on April 21, 2025, 10:04:59 AM
I saw the news yesterday of the Pope meeting with JD Vance, and was surprised, because I thought he was supposed to be dying.  Turns out he was.  How awful for him that JD had to be one of the last things he saw.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: HVC on April 21, 2025, 10:36:24 AM
To be fair it was his last chance to see him since Vance is going to hell and the Pope, presumably*, is not.


*many protestants presume differently :P
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: grumbler on April 21, 2025, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 21, 2025, 10:04:59 AMI saw the news yesterday of the Pope meeting with JD Vance, and was surprised, because I thought he was supposed to be dying.  Turns out he was.  How awful for him that JD had to be one of the last things he saw.

[morbid] The Pope said, "I'm dying to get out of another meeting with JD Vance." [/morbid]
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: mongers on April 21, 2025, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 21, 2025, 03:54:14 AM
Quote from: Josquius on April 21, 2025, 03:08:21 AMSooo.....JD Vance killed the Pope.

The elderly should be saved from having to meet these idiots. First Truss and the Queen, now this.

Guys you are aware that Vance's middle name is Damien?  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on April 22, 2025, 02:36:11 AM
Stolen from Reddit, for the B5 nerds. :P

(https://i.imgur.com/niNPtvL.png)
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Duque de Bragança on April 22, 2025, 05:39:15 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 21, 2025, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 21, 2025, 03:54:14 AM
Quote from: Josquius on April 21, 2025, 03:08:21 AMSooo.....JD Vance killed the Pope.

The elderly should be saved from having to meet these idiots. First Truss and the Queen, now this.

Guys you are aware that Vance's middle name is Damien?  :ph34r:
:o  :pope:

Good point!
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 01, 2025, 08:36:58 AM
Tommy Lee Jones is dead.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: DGuller on May 01, 2025, 09:41:22 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 01, 2025, 08:36:58 AMTommy Lee Jones is dead.
How dead?
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: HVC on May 01, 2025, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 01, 2025, 08:36:58 AMTommy Lee Jones is dead.

You sure?
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 01, 2025, 10:04:46 AM
No.  I can't tell if it's one of those spoof sites or not.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Razgovory on May 17, 2025, 10:16:20 PM
Joe Don Baker died.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECupIhIuei0
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Sheilbh on May 20, 2025, 05:33:55 PM
RIP George Wendt :(

(Honestly did not know he was still alive and astonished to discover he was only 76 - and in his mid-30s when he was in Cheers :blink:)
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Tonitrus on May 20, 2025, 06:16:44 PM
Norm!  :(
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: HVC on May 20, 2025, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 20, 2025, 05:33:55 PMRIP George Wendt :(

(Honestly did not know he was still alive and astonished to discover he was only 76 - and in his mid-30s when he was in Cheers :blink:)


Our generation aged the best  :cool:

And RIP George.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Valmy on May 20, 2025, 06:27:11 PM
George Wendt hosted one of my favorite episodes of Saturday Night Live in 1991, the last episode with Jan Hooks as well.

RIP Norm.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 20, 2025, 06:37:43 PM
Da Bears
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 20, 2025, 07:13:37 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 17, 2025, 10:16:20 PMJoe Don Baker died.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECupIhIuei0
He made Mars Attacks! awesome.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on May 21, 2025, 12:47:45 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 20, 2025, 05:33:55 PMRIP George Wendt :(

(Honestly did not know he was still alive and astonished to discover he was only 76 - and in his mid-30s when he was in Cheers :blink:)

RIP. :(

He was at the reunion last year at the Emmys:

(https://i.imgur.com/2L8EDRZ.png)

And I'll always associate him with eating beans.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: crazy canuck on May 21, 2025, 09:01:24 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 20, 2025, 06:16:44 PMNorm!  :(

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJ5W-8TOwoM/?igsh=MXRucDh1ZGp2cDM1Yw==
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: crazy canuck on May 30, 2025, 03:20:42 PM
Hot Lips has passed
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josephus on May 30, 2025, 05:13:06 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 30, 2025, 03:20:42 PMHot Lips has passed

I'd invite her for a lousy cup of coffee
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Savonarola on June 09, 2025, 03:14:58 PM
RIP Sly Stone (https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/09/entertainment/sly-stone-death)
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josephus on June 10, 2025, 09:08:56 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 09, 2025, 03:14:58 PMRIP Sly Stone (https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/09/entertainment/sly-stone-death)

Hope the Family is OK
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Valmy on June 11, 2025, 02:28:47 PM
RIP Brian Wilson
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: HVC on June 13, 2025, 12:14:25 PM
Harris Yulin. He's was one of those faces you saw in a lot of movies and shows. He was also in one of my favourite DS9 episodes.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: crazy canuck on June 13, 2025, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: HVC on June 13, 2025, 12:14:25 PMHarris Yulin. He's was one of those faces you saw in a lot of movies and shows. He was also in one of my favourite DS9 episodes.

One of my all time favourite bad guys.  RIP Harris
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 24, 2025, 02:48:12 PM
Alvaro Vitali, 75 a.k.a Pierino

https://www.gazzetta.it/attualita/24-06-2025/alvaro-vitali-morto-a-75-anni-addio-all-attore-di-pierino-cosa-aveva.shtml (https://www.gazzetta.it/attualita/24-06-2025/alvaro-vitali-morto-a-75-anni-addio-all-attore-di-pierino-cosa-aveva.shtml)

More known to Italian posters obviously, and any who had a Berlusconi TV channel back in the day.
Actor discovered by Fellini.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: grumbler on June 26, 2025, 04:11:57 PM
Bill Moyers, winner of 30 Emmy Awards for his political and social TV work, dead at 91.  People here may know him best for his PBS series, "Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth."  A good life, well-lived. RIP
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: crazy canuck on June 26, 2025, 07:27:14 PM
RIP I always enjoyed his programs.



Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on July 03, 2025, 03:12:11 PM
RIP Michael Madsen. Age 67.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Oexmelin on July 03, 2025, 07:04:04 PM
Admiral Piett is no longer in command.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: HVC on July 21, 2025, 02:42:25 PM
Malcolm Jamal Warner. Cosby ruined the legacy but it was good show. Drowned in Costa Rica. RIP
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josephus on July 22, 2025, 01:28:55 PM
Ozzy Osbourne.

Glad he made it for his last gig.

When I was 16, way back when, he was all the rage. I remember buying his first two albums. His second, Diary of a Madman, certainly influenced my later purchases as I matured musically.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josquius on July 22, 2025, 01:33:08 PM
I was just talking about his final gig earlier today too....
Unexpected he lasted so long tbh. But still. Sad times
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on July 22, 2025, 01:34:56 PM
RIP :(
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: The Brain on July 22, 2025, 01:48:09 PM
RIP :(

Assisted suicide rumors were true?
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: viper37 on July 22, 2025, 02:04:56 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 22, 2025, 01:28:55 PMOzzy Osbourne.

Glad he made it for his last gig.

When I was 16, way back when, he was all the rage. I remember buying his first two albums. His second, Diary of a Madman, certainly influenced my later purchases as I matured musically.
Just heard about it.

Kinda was expecting this for the last 15-20 years...
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: HVC on July 22, 2025, 02:20:20 PM
So Keith isn't far behind then?
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Sheilbh on July 22, 2025, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 22, 2025, 01:28:55 PMOzzy Osbourne.

Glad he made it for his last gig.
Not really to my taste at all but I very much enjoyed the photos and clips of him at his last gig:
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/4bb2d215f58d6ce13a67e5647360804ec2a1a389/0_0_3868_2579/master/3868.jpg?width=1010&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=2251f614a3b68f1d78d9f29df3edc3a1)

RIP :(
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Caliga on July 22, 2025, 02:47:20 PM
 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

I knew this day was coming soon but it's still hard.  Ozzy is literally my favorite musician of all time (favorite band is Iron Maiden, but I'm talking about Ozzy's entire body of work here).  I have whole Spotify playlists that are just Ozzy Osbourne/Black Sabbath.  Really bummed I never made it to one of his concerts.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Zanza on July 22, 2025, 03:11:03 PM
Legendary. Had his farewell concert two weeks ago, raising 200 million for charity. Can't go out better as a rock star.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: grumbler on July 22, 2025, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: Zanza on July 22, 2025, 03:11:03 PMLegendary. Had his farewell concert two weeks ago, raising 200 million for charity. Can't go out better as a rock star.

Indeed. The man had "it."
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on July 23, 2025, 02:10:27 AM
With Felix Baumgartner (the guy who jumped from a balloon and in recent years was mostly spreading conspiracy nonsense) also recently deceased (he crashed his glider), Austrian reddit (rightfully) decided to repost this 2013 classic from him:

(https://i.imgur.com/pwJiHAk.png)

:D
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josquius on July 23, 2025, 06:39:07 AM
Who is that?
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on July 23, 2025, 06:42:25 AM
Gene Simmons (right). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Simmons
Felix Baumgartner (left). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Baumgartner
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josquius on July 24, 2025, 10:55:09 AM
Hulk Hogan is dead.

Top example of someone who really ruined his reputation with age
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on July 24, 2025, 11:40:39 AM
Last time he showed up on WWE Raw to promote some product of his he was roundly booed. Mayhaps he died of broken heart.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Josephus on July 24, 2025, 11:42:15 AM
Nah, he's just pretending. Soon, he'll get up, put his hand to his ears, hear the crowd cheer him on and rise up to vanquish the Undertaker.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: crazy canuck on July 24, 2025, 11:48:03 AM
The Undertaker's revenge
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on July 24, 2025, 11:59:15 AM
Quote from: Josephus on July 24, 2025, 11:42:15 AMNah, he's just pretending. Soon, he'll get up, put his hand to his ears, hear the crowd cheer him on and rise up to vanquish the Undertaker.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: jimmy olsen on July 27, 2025, 07:39:05 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 22, 2025, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 22, 2025, 01:28:55 PMOzzy Osbourne.

Glad he made it for his last gig.
Not really to my taste at all but I very much enjoyed the photos and clips of him at his last gig:
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/4bb2d215f58d6ce13a67e5647360804ec2a1a389/0_0_3868_2579/master/3868.jpg?width=1010&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=2251f614a3b68f1d78d9f29df3edc3a1)

RIP :(
Warpigs reamins relevant to this day

https://youtu.be/LQUXuQ6Zd9w?si=4PJGGgyc3CIUK0ss
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Savonarola on July 28, 2025, 03:51:46 PM
RIP Tom Lehrer (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/american-musical-satirist-tom-lehrer-183226199.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKtcKFlyBOkXI8MGTLoLBJocwRNC-ogUQefhji55FdCGRYJP3x5n6lHtlUGhaPAppZajHg14Mi4_nPq5tfHWB10WlhxqZhFL4_EfSSTWJW4uxBNX5ddELMW_PinNAYdu27uU3Dmf1V8DA_fLnbwOHDE6zgQhwOvUA-xI4ITqRz2w), he took us on wings of song and helped us forget, for a while, our drab, wretched lives.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: frunk on July 28, 2025, 04:14:25 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 28, 2025, 03:51:46 PMRIP Tom Lehrer (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/american-musical-satirist-tom-lehrer-183226199.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKtcKFlyBOkXI8MGTLoLBJocwRNC-ogUQefhji55FdCGRYJP3x5n6lHtlUGhaPAppZajHg14Mi4_nPq5tfHWB10WlhxqZhFL4_EfSSTWJW4uxBNX5ddELMW_PinNAYdu27uU3Dmf1V8DA_fLnbwOHDE6zgQhwOvUA-xI4ITqRz2w), he took us on wings of song and helped us forget, for a while, our drab, wretched lives.

RIP Tom Lehrer.  I think we should all pour one out for the inventor of the Jello Shot.  Supposedly he also cited Lobachevsky in one of his recently unclassified papers for the NSA.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Savonarola on July 28, 2025, 05:13:05 PM
Quote from: frunk on July 28, 2025, 04:14:25 PMRIP Tom Lehrer.  I think we should all pour one out for the inventor of the Jello Shot.  Supposedly he also cited Lobachevsky in one of his recently unclassified papers for the NSA.

It would have been better if he hadn't cited him and just used the quote.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: frunk on July 28, 2025, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 28, 2025, 05:13:05 PM
Quote from: frunk on July 28, 2025, 04:14:25 PMRIP Tom Lehrer.  I think we should all pour one out for the inventor of the Jello Shot.  Supposedly he also cited Lobachevsky in one of his recently unclassified papers for the NSA.

It would have been better if he hadn't cited him and just used the quote.

QuoteIn 1957, while working for the National Security Agency, Lehrer coauthored a paper in which he snuck in the song's line "Analytic and Algebraic Topology of Locally Euclidean Metrizations of Infinitely Differentiable Riemannian Manifolds" into the reference section as an uncited and unpublished paper by Lobachevsky.
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Savonarola on July 28, 2025, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: frunk on July 28, 2025, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 28, 2025, 05:13:05 PM
Quote from: frunk on July 28, 2025, 04:14:25 PMRIP Tom Lehrer.  I think we should all pour one out for the inventor of the Jello Shot.  Supposedly he also cited Lobachevsky in one of his recently unclassified papers for the NSA.

It would have been better if he hadn't cited him and just used the quote.

QuoteIn 1957, while working for the National Security Agency, Lehrer coauthored a paper in which he snuck in the song's line "Analytic and Algebraic Topology of Locally Euclidean Metrizations of Infinitely Differentiable Riemannian Manifolds" into the reference section as an uncited and unpublished paper by Lobachevsky.

:lol: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: viper37 on July 29, 2025, 06:32:54 PM
And they say AI is killing research with fake citations?   :D
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Syt on July 30, 2025, 12:49:33 AM
I was not familiar with Tom Lehrer, but one of his songs caught my eye - "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park", because there's an Austrian song by Georg Kreisler (who had many darkly humorous songs, as are popular in Vienna) of the same title. Kreisler left Austria in '38 and spent time in New York and Harvard around the same time as Lehrer. Still, the Austrian song is different in lyrics and it seems to just be a coincidence (Kreisler's song is more a pastiche of cozy Viennese songs about spending a lovely afternoon in the park with your loved one; another of his songs is "Wie schön wäre Wien ohne Wiener" (how nice would Vienna be without the Viennese) where he fantasizes about the city's population having been eradicated by a disease or similar :D ).
Title: Re: Dead Pool 2025
Post by: Sheilbh on July 31, 2025, 08:25:57 PM
Very specifically, nichely British, but RIP Allan Ahlberg. Reading this obituary and especially seeing some of these covers really brought back some of the earliest books I read:
QuoteAllan Ahlberg obituary: prolific children's author
Mischievous writer, who with his illustrator wife Janet produced more than 150 books including Peepo! and The Jolly Postman, dies aged 87
The Times
Thursday July 31 2025, 6.28pm, The Times

"Back then to Paddington/ Weather wet and mild/ Brand-new mother/ Second-hand child."

This was how the children's poet and writer Allan Ahlberg described the day his adoptive mother collected him from his Croydon orphanage. Born in 1938 to a young single mother unable to cope, Allan, still a baby, then became part of a poor but upright working-class family living in the Black Country town of Oldbury. There were no books — apart from Allan's regular Sunday school prizes to come — and not much conversation. But there was stability, care and affection however sternly administered. He went on to write many lovingly detailed poems on the smells, textures, tastes and toys of his childhood. His only adult book, The Bucket, based on these memories, is a mini-masterpiece of the nostalgic genre.

Aged ten, he discovered he was adopted after being taunted by a fellow pupil passing on comments heard at home. Angry with his parents for keeping this from him, he came to feel something of a cuckoo in the nest, reading avidly and dreaming of becoming a writer rather than watching television with his parents.

(https://www.thetimes.com/imageserver/image/%2Fb01a7f2a-ee6a-4b27-af4e-68b1896a1b5c.jpg?crop=1987%2C1787%2C0%2C0&resize=1181&format=webp)
Peepo! was a baby's view of the world

His abiding passion for football was not shared by his younger brother Andrew, also adopted. With little else in common, the two never got on and remained separate as adults. Ahlberg eventually appreciated his parents' love and was at his mother's bedside when she died. His father, a gentle, hard-working labourer, died earlier. An affectionate but remote figure, he was described by Ahlberg in a poem as My Invisible Dad.

Leaving Oldbury Grammar School aged 17 with A-level passes in science, he opted for three years of National Service which meant he could send more pay to his mother, no longer working as a house and office cleaner. He was briefly a postman, gravedigger and plumber's mate before deciding aged 22 to overcome his shyness and become a primary school teacher. While at Sunderland Teacher Training College learning his future craft, he met Janet Hall, a talented artist. They married in 1969.

A natural and popular teacher, Ahlberg loved his job. Still too shy herself to take up teaching, Janet illustrated make-and-do junior craft books but longed to try stories instead. When he was ten years into his successful career in the classroom, she asked her husband to write her one. This he did, surprising himself with how easily it came. Determined to do more, he gave up teaching. Many rejection slips were to arrive in the next anxious 18 months before three titles were accepted in one week, all by different publishers.

Burglar Bill, the pick of the bunch, was based on a story Ahlberg had once told his class. It features a benign middle-aged thief who steals everything, including fish and chips, cups of tea and finally, by accident, a baby. Everything ends happily, with Bill now together with Burglar Betty, the baby's mother, returning everything he had previously stolen to start a new life. Janet's watercolour illustrations, firmly outlined in pen or pencil, expertly bring to life favourite details from their joint past. The rounded faces and ready smiles of her characters amply reflect the high good humour of Ahlberg's text.

The illustrations for their next joint effort, Each Peach Pear Plum, won Janet the Kate Greenaway Medal for 1978. Ahlberg's deceptively simple poems here combine simplicity of form with his unique brand of quirky humour. They describe characters from nursery rhymes and fairy stories playing I Spy with each other from page to page, with Janet's luminous illustrations the perfect accompaniment.

This book was later chosen as one of its ten best titles on the award's 50th anniversary. Finding the stories behind nursery rhymes and putting the rhymes into fairy stories worked brilliantly at a time, sadly no longer true, when most children were still familiar with such traditional fare. Its success gave the couple much needed financial security for their future as the most productive and creative husband and wife team yet in British children's literature.

Peepo! was also a bestseller. It affectionately details the typical domestic sights a baby might once have witnessed at a time of tin baths, coal buckets and cluttered front rooms. Told in verse, a circular punched-out hole on the middle of each page gives readers a glimpse of what's to come once they turn over. It is still wartime, with Dad wearing his army uniform as he kisses his baby son good night. Written in about four weeks, it took Janet many more months to get the illustrations right for historical detail. The book came out to ecstatic reviews.

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He revisited his childhood in The Boyhood of Burglar Bill

By now there was daughter Jessica, who early on showed great interest in a Mothercare catalogue. Thinking outside the box once again, the couple came up with The Baby's Catalogue, published in 1982. Illustrated pages on a variety of Mums, Dads, Pets, Teas, Prams and other child-friendly entries accompany numerous pictures of five different babies breastfeeding, on their potties, in the bath and otherwise getting on positively with their young lives apart from the moment when one of them is pictured in mid-howl. Fully involved in the publishing and printing process, advising on type size, paper quality, colour reproduction, covers and even binding, the Ahlbergs were now in a position to make sure they were always listened to.

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The Jolly Christmas Postman, illustrated by Janet Ahlberg, 1991

Jessica also had a hand in an even greater success. Watching his daughter in her high chair playing with the morning post, pulling out letters and then forcing them back into their envelopes, Ahlberg came up with the idea for The Jolly Postman, or Other People's Letters. This took little time to write but up to three years of experimenting with paper-engineering before it was completed. Real letters in real envelopes stuck onto the page accompany short, easy-rhyming poems which include Goldilocks apologising to the Three Bears and Jack taunting the Giant over his beanstalk exploits. There is also a threatening solicitor's letter written on behalf of Little Red Riding Hood warning off the Big Bad Wolf. Superbly illustrated in full comic vein and selling over six million copies, its sequel The Jolly Christmas Postman won Janet the Kate Greenaway Medal for the second time.

Many more joint publications followed as well as individual efforts, with Ahlberg working with other illustrators including Fritz Wegner and Raymond Briggs. He also brought out two collections of verse, Please Mrs Butler and I Heard it in the Playground, both drawing on his memories of teaching. But their work together stopped in 1994 with Janet's death from breast cancer at 50 years old.

Working through his initially disabling grief, Ahlberg found relief in bringing out Janet's Last Book, a privately printed personal selection from her lifetime of creativity. Going on to work on two books with his daughter Jessica, now also an illustrator, he eventually found happiness again after marrying Vanessa Clarke, formerly his editor at Walker Books. Slim, mild-mannered and boyishly handsome to the end, he is survived by Vanessa, Jessica, two stepdaughters, Saskia and Johanna, and two granddaughters.

In 2014 he declined the Booktrust's Lifetime Achievement Award because it had Amazon as its main sponsor. Moving from Bath to Lewes, East Sussex, to be near his Brighton-based daughter, he still wrote in his shed every day despite the onset of Parkinson's disease. My Brother's Ghost and The Boyhood of Burglar Bill both memorably revisit his childhood, this time in story form. But as in a late poem, there were more times now when "The phone rings/ But never long enough/ For the Slow man."

His readership remained huge. In the Philippa Pearce Lecture given in Cambridge in 2016 he quoted a letter received from Mia, a child aged he guessed about seven. "I love all the books that you make. I really love them all and they are so good. I love them all." She spoke here for all the many other young fans of his over 150 titles.

(George) Allan Ahlberg, children's poet and writer, was born on June 5, 1938. He died on July 29, 2025, aged 87

Although seeing all the covers today, my favourite was definitely Funnybones with the big skeleton, little skeleton and dog skeleton living in the dark dark house down the dark dark street in the dark dark town. Also remember reading his poems in primary school - Please Mrs Butler, Picking Teams.

And I think at the minute when the trend is very much celebrity authored books for kids that, from what I can tell, are variable at best - it's a reminder of the love and care and craft of books for young children.