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Newsnight? - Pacmanistan ?
You are attracted by politicians in red? Strange. :hmm: :P
There's three of them not being socialist, though one is part of a so-called social-democrat party which happens to be centre-right. Their youth wing is more like of a left wing tendency in the party.
Congratulations ! You voted for the Porsche leftie, who claimed he sold it in an attempt to appear closer to his electors, and actually left it at his father's garage. The buildings / house blueprints is a reference to another real estate scandal he is involved.
No tech bro, but champagne socialist at least.
That's rich for someone who blamed the current prime minister for a conflict of interest, and forcing a confidence vote, along with the right-wing populist previously deemed extremist so cordoned off, unless for political expedience reasons. :P
Lately, since an AD (centre-right / conservative coalition) with Iniciativa Liberal (IL Classic Liberals) coalition is possible, he has now deemed extremist the IL. IL people are political meeting LinkedIn types. :P
How sexist of you! :P
That's the lesbian leftist or leftist lesbian, whatever.
Unfortunately not. :P
The non queer lesbian (identifies as such) but far right-wing yet somewhat woke, with a non-white partner, complete with children from surrogate mothers and donated sperm.
Alice Weidel. Living in Switzerland for a while. Der Spiegel claimed she employed an illegal Syrian immigrant for a while (no mention of the religion).
Some contradictions, to say the least :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Weidel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Weidel)
Congratulations, you went for the commie. :P
Crap. I should have known.
(https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/05/72/99/23/360_F_572992355_2kxSP1lDoFYgBxn3cDeTaSQ4T16X687k.jpg)
If that's of any help, lowest score ever for the PCP-led CDU coalition.
Salazar would be proud :D
Socialists possibly second, and no real corporatist conservatives? I don't think so. :P
Looks like my ancestral homeland(s) voted AD :P
That happens a lot. The horseshoe theory at work.
They should start by retaking Martim Moniz square in Lisbon then, if only in honour to his sacrifice. :P
It's where all the new Bangladeshi and Indians went. Which is kind of funny. Portuguese don't want to do the agricultural work but hate the people that do :lol: every once in a While there a thing that goes around where odemira (a town/municipality in Portugal) is being replaced by Indians. Portuguese Facebook is wild.
Nazaré ?
Chega is first. :D
https://cnnportugal.iol.pt/eleicoes/legislativas2025/resultados/concelho/1011/nazare (https://cnnportugal.iol.pt/eleicoes/legislativas2025/resultados/concelho/1011/nazare)
Just like Americans.
Hate the immigrants but nobody wants to move to the great plains and work all day in a giant industrial milk factory.
Alentejanos are not exactly known for their hardworking attitude. :D
I don't think there that many there, compared to say, Martim Moniz square in Lisbon. :P
Besides, FB and other assorted anti-social networks are to be taken with a pinch of salt. :P
Alentejo has gypsies though, the other apple of André Ventura's eyes. :D
Not really since Portuguese people have been doing that kind of work, just not for the cut rate "offered" by modern day slavers.
Lots of Portuguese did it or have been doing it abroad, as a matter of fact.
That's the "problem". Those willing to do it go abroad to do it for more money so no one is left who wants to do it at home, so you have to import them. Problem is two fold. Portugals poor so attracts even poorer countries (undesirable in a lot of eyes). Second fold ( :P ) is that it's an easier way for these immigrants to get EU citizenship. Europe is gonna be pissed at Portugal in a decade or so when the now Portuguese citizens flood other wealthier nations.
Give them a decade or so and once they get citizenship they'll move to wealthier nations. Probably your neck of the woods actually :D
That being said I do think Portugal has done a shit job and immigration control. So have a lot of countries. But if they were of fairer complexion I don't think chega would do as well. Portugal has been bitching about Brazilians for decades but hasn't done much. 100,000 south Asians make it across the border and they lose their shit :lol:
Fair. But the bigger issue with the affordability crisis is AirBnB. Leaches.
The problem only started due to the previous government of Costa with his massive immigration policy, while claiming it would be "selective" in the choice of immigrants. :D Dismantling the border and foreigner police, instead of reforming it, was also stupid but ideologically motivated;
Also, Portuguese citizenship has been tightened up a bit again due to abuses (the "paper" Portuguese I saw at the consulate...), by Costa and his clique, so citizenship won't be that easy, though technically Portuguese citizenship is not needed, sometimes just a document showing (somewhat) legal residence in Portugal and travel rights in the Schengen Area.
Plus people named Muhammad or Yussuf won't be seen anytime soon as Portuguese in Europe.
They play a part in higher rents and housing issues, specially in big cities, but Chega can't really campaign against them.
Burden shared with Spain, Italy and Greece, as well.
Bragança ? I have seen a couple of them already but don't worry they will head back to Lisbon, in time. ;)
It will take more time, they need to bring back cousins as in so-called family regrouping, marry them (inbreeding is kosher in those countries. :P ) have "Portuguese" children and then perhaps gain Portuguese citizenship.
Apples and Oranges (not PSD :D ).
Brazilians have had a privileged status and can immigrate very easily thanks to the treaty of Porto Seguro, which also grants the same benefits to Portuguese people. Granted, the benefit seems dubious for Portugal now. :P
Yet Brazilians managed to immigrate ilegally and be exploited, either by their already installed countrymen or Portuguese bosses.
Lately, it's been more bourgeois Brazilians fleeing brazilian troubles, political problems and criminality, yet voting Chega, of course. :lol:
Also, these Indians and Bengalis are muslim, dark-skinned Indians have been in Lisbon for a while, but they were catholic or hindus and spoke Portuguese... The latter used to provide the only vegetarian restaurants for tourists, back in the day.
Not to mention there are probably more than 100,000 of them now, in Al-Usbuna alone. :D
Stats don't specify those of Goa, Damão, Diu etc. since they are mostly Portuguese.
By the way, do I need to remind the former incompetent and corrupt PM, pro mass unrestricted immigration, is of goan origin? vide supra
If you miss the "new" Martim Moniz, I recommend you the Barbès-Rochechouart area of Paris, though gentrification/boboisation has started; it will take some time however. :P Nice municipal arthouse for instance, with their Carpenter AND Bergman marathon night. :)
As for Indians, Pakistanis and Bengalis, try around Gare du Nord, a not-so-nice neighborhood where Hiberno-British of the (Southern) English persuasion find trains to their wet and windy island. :D
Thanks!
Figures I gave are official, from the immigration service and one year later.
So more than 25k legally.
As for illegal immigrants, no figures obviously.
But yes, most foreigners, for now, are CPLP, but then even Chega accepts the idea of immigration from Lusophone countries.
Montenegro has been tightening the immigration laws, but that's not enough for Ventura, who wants more than containing and even roll back.
AD can count on IL votes but Montenegro has ruled out an alliance with Chega deeming him too petulant, not consistent policy-wise and unreliable.
Still 4 seats to be decided.
Outside of Europe specially, Portuguese voters in, say Venezuela, are really pissed off at anything even remotely socialist or leftist.
Europe might be more AD friendly than PS but Chega did well last time.
Belgium... though that might not be a good example
Or Sir Humphrey.
Question: Choose your poison! Wisely, of course. Déjà vu edition. 
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Title: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2025, 09:44:42 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2025, 09:44:42 AM
Let's see how it works. Hope all the pictures work on your side.
Well, some tag typos and I can't fix them. :(
Results and (attempts at) explanation later. :P
Well, some tag typos and I can't fix them. :(
Results and (attempts at) explanation later. :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2025, 01:07:10 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2025, 01:07:10 PM
Voting in Portugal starts officially tomorrow Sunday.
Voters abroad i.e emigrants, luso-descendants, expats vote by mail.
Better organised this time. :)
Voters abroad i.e emigrants, luso-descendants, expats vote by mail.
Better organised this time. :)
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2025, 01:40:29 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2025, 01:40:29 PM
Number one:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E94Hy4aXMAA_3w1?format=jpg&name=large)
Number five:
(https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2166235798/photo/lisbon-portugal-iniciativa-liberal-party-leader-rui-rocha-talks-to-a-demonstrator-while.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=tW_8xnrcEEU-az0QgKZsWL8RPK9fIist3PuvZTuF00U=)
Hint: not the guy with the Venezuela flag. :P
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E94Hy4aXMAA_3w1?format=jpg&name=large)
Number five:
(https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2166235798/photo/lisbon-portugal-iniciativa-liberal-party-leader-rui-rocha-talks-to-a-demonstrator-while.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=tW_8xnrcEEU-az0QgKZsWL8RPK9fIist3PuvZTuF00U=)
Hint: not the guy with the Venezuela flag. :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Savonarola on May 17, 2025, 02:12:55 PM
Post by: Savonarola on May 17, 2025, 02:12:55 PM
Is this one of those elections where everyone is a socialist? I went with second from last, I assume he's a tech-bro anarcho-socialist of some sort.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Sheilbh on May 17, 2025, 02:18:54 PM
Post by: Sheilbh on May 17, 2025, 02:18:54 PM
I voted number two because - from a UK perspective it looks like she's hosting a breakfast show - and I can't think of better preparation for running a country than daytime television.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: mongers on May 17, 2025, 04:31:28 PM
Post by: mongers on May 17, 2025, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 17, 2025, 02:18:54 PMI voted number two because - from a UK perspective it looks like she's hosting a breakfast show - and I can't think of better preparation for running a country than daytime television.
Newsnight? - Pacmanistan ?
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Sheilbh on May 17, 2025, 04:52:45 PM
Post by: Sheilbh on May 17, 2025, 04:52:45 PM
This Morning - Richard and Judy Diarchy.
Edit: Just realised I'm about two decades out with this :bleeding:
Edit: Just realised I'm about two decades out with this :bleeding:
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Valmy on May 17, 2025, 05:10:58 PM
Post by: Valmy on May 17, 2025, 05:10:58 PM
The guy making a fist seems passionate and authentic.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: viper37 on May 17, 2025, 07:57:01 PM
Post by: viper37 on May 17, 2025, 07:57:01 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2025, 09:44:42 AMLet's see how it works. Hope all the pictures work on your side.I'm not doing this anymore. Two times in a row I picked the far right candidate. :P
Well, some tag typos and I can't fix them. :(
Results and (attempts at) explanation later. :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 09:49:08 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 09:49:08 AM
Quote from: viper37 on May 17, 2025, 07:57:01 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2025, 09:44:42 AMLet's see how it works. Hope all the pictures work on your side.I'm not doing this anymore. Two times in a row I picked the far right candidate. :P
Well, some tag typos and I can't fix them. :(
Results and (attempts at) explanation later. :P
You are attracted by politicians in red? Strange. :hmm: :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 10:54:12 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 10:54:12 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 17, 2025, 02:12:55 PMIs this one of those elections where everyone is a socialist? I went with second from last, I assume he's a tech-bro anarcho-socialist of some sort.
There's three of them not being socialist, though one is part of a so-called social-democrat party which happens to be centre-right. Their youth wing is more like of a left wing tendency in the party.
Congratulations ! You voted for the Porsche leftie, who claimed he sold it in an attempt to appear closer to his electors, and actually left it at his father's garage. The buildings / house blueprints is a reference to another real estate scandal he is involved.
No tech bro, but champagne socialist at least.
That's rich for someone who blamed the current prime minister for a conflict of interest, and forcing a confidence vote, along with the right-wing populist previously deemed extremist so cordoned off, unless for political expedience reasons. :P
Lately, since an AD (centre-right / conservative coalition) with Iniciativa Liberal (IL Classic Liberals) coalition is possible, he has now deemed extremist the IL. IL people are political meeting LinkedIn types. :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 10:55:16 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 10:55:16 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 17, 2025, 02:18:54 PMI voted number two because - from a UK perspective it looks like she's hosting a breakfast show - and I can't think of better preparation for running a country than daytime television.
How sexist of you! :P
That's the lesbian leftist or leftist lesbian, whatever.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Valmy on May 18, 2025, 12:36:40 PM
Post by: Valmy on May 18, 2025, 12:36:40 PM
Better than Germany's Nazi Lesbian.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 18, 2025, 12:44:59 PM
Post by: HVC on May 18, 2025, 12:44:59 PM
Ilsa?
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 01:16:43 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 01:16:43 PM
Quote from: HVC on May 18, 2025, 12:44:59 PMIlsa?
Unfortunately not. :P
The non queer lesbian (identifies as such) but far right-wing yet somewhat woke, with a non-white partner, complete with children from surrogate mothers and donated sperm.
Alice Weidel. Living in Switzerland for a while. Der Spiegel claimed she employed an illegal Syrian immigrant for a while (no mention of the religion).
Some contradictions, to say the least :
QuoteAlthough advocating for economic relations with Russia, Weidel is not considered to be part of the AfD pro-Russia movement; Weidel responded to the question why she – unlike her co-chair Tino Chrupalla – did not attend the Russian embassy's reception to celebrate the anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany: "Celebrating the defeat of one's own country with a former occupying power is something I have personally decided - also with my father's escape story - not to take part in."[55][56]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Weidel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Weidel)
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 18, 2025, 05:04:23 PM
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 18, 2025, 05:04:23 PM
# 1 is the most Portagee looking.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 05:20:32 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 05:20:32 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 17, 2025, 05:10:58 PMThe guy making a fist seems passionate and authentic.
Congratulations, you went for the commie. :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Josquius on May 18, 2025, 05:44:52 PM
Post by: Josquius on May 18, 2025, 05:44:52 PM
I went for the nerdy looking guy in a military jacket who seems to be in a garage.
I guessed commie but now I suspect nazi.
I guessed commie but now I suspect nazi.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 05:55:20 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 05:55:20 PM
Sorry, no nazi options in this poll.
You chose a leftist who split from the cooking show lady's party. :)
Results are in, but expat votes will need 10 more days to be ascertained.
You chose a leftist who split from the cooking show lady's party. :)
Results are in, but expat votes will need 10 more days to be ascertained.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Valmy on May 18, 2025, 06:04:17 PM
Post by: Valmy on May 18, 2025, 06:04:17 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 05:20:32 PMQuote from: Valmy on May 17, 2025, 05:10:58 PMThe guy making a fist seems passionate and authentic.
Congratulations, you went for the commie. :P
Crap. I should have known.
(https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/05/72/99/23/360_F_572992355_2kxSP1lDoFYgBxn3cDeTaSQ4T16X687k.jpg)
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: crazy canuck on May 18, 2025, 06:15:38 PM
Post by: crazy canuck on May 18, 2025, 06:15:38 PM
I am glad to see that five other language sites also saw the obvious candidate to choose.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 07:36:33 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 07:36:33 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 18, 2025, 06:04:17 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 05:20:32 PMQuote from: Valmy on May 17, 2025, 05:10:58 PMThe guy making a fist seems passionate and authentic.
Congratulations, you went for the commie. :P
Crap. I should have known.
(https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/05/72/99/23/360_F_572992355_2kxSP1lDoFYgBxn3cDeTaSQ4T16X687k.jpg)
If that's of any help, lowest score ever for the PCP-led CDU coalition.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 08:47:15 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 08:47:15 PM
So, PS and Chega (populist right) tied for the second place.
Judge of peace : emigrant/expat vote.
Judge of peace : emigrant/expat vote.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 18, 2025, 08:51:24 PM
Post by: HVC on May 18, 2025, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 08:47:15 PMSo, PS and Chega (populist right) tied for the second place.
Salazar would be proud :D
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 05:40:52 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 05:40:52 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 18, 2025, 08:51:24 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 18, 2025, 08:47:15 PMSo, PS and Chega (populist right) tied for the second place.
Salazar would be proud :D
Socialists possibly second, and no real corporatist conservatives? I don't think so. :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 06:05:24 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 06:05:24 AM
(https://images.rr.pt/resultados-mapa-legislativas-2025-211515373defaultlarge_1024.jpg)
Results by district, number one party. Other parties may get a seat or two despite arriving second or third, for instance.
Orange is for the centre-right/conservative coalition called AD (Aliança Democrática).
HVC
Seems even Moors like you in the South don't like immigration, of the islamic kind. :P Funny to see how Chega replaced the communists in Alentejo. :lol:
P-S: sorry HVD and others, still no Chega MP in Bragança. :P Only district so IIRC.
Results by district, number one party. Other parties may get a seat or two despite arriving second or third, for instance.
Orange is for the centre-right/conservative coalition called AD (Aliança Democrática).
HVC
Seems even Moors like you in the South don't like immigration, of the islamic kind. :P Funny to see how Chega replaced the communists in Alentejo. :lol:
P-S: sorry HVD and others, still no Chega MP in Bragança. :P Only district so IIRC.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 08:53:31 AM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 06:05:24 AMHVC
Seems even Moors like you in the South don't like immigration, of the islamic kind. :P Funny to see how Chega replaced the communists in Alentejo. :lol:
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Looks like my ancestral homeland(s) voted AD :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 09:52:00 AM
Post by: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 09:52:00 AM
The South wants to continue the crusade against the Moors. The Battle of Alcacer Quibir will be avenged.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 09:56:10 AM
Post by: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 06:05:24 AMFunny to see how Chega replaced the communists in Alentejo.
That happens a lot. The horseshoe theory at work.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 09:59:18 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 09:52:00 AMThe South wants to continue the crusade against the Moors. The Battle of Alcacer Quibir will be avenged.
They should start by retaking Martim Moniz square in Lisbon then, if only in honour to his sacrifice. :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:00:12 AM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:00:12 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 09:56:10 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 06:05:24 AMFunny to see how Chega replaced the communists in Alentejo.
That happens a lot. The horseshoe theory at work.
It's where all the new Bangladeshi and Indians went. Which is kind of funny. Portuguese don't want to do the agricultural work but hate the people that do :lol: every once in a While there a thing that goes around where odemira (a town/municipality in Portugal) is being replaced by Indians. Portuguese Facebook is wild.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:02:45 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:02:45 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2025, 08:53:31 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 06:05:24 AMHVC
Seems even Moors like you in the South don't like immigration, of the islamic kind. :P Funny to see how Chega replaced the communists in Alentejo. :lol:
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Looks like my ancestral homeland(s) voted AD :P
Nazaré ?
Chega is first. :D
https://cnnportugal.iol.pt/eleicoes/legislativas2025/resultados/concelho/1011/nazare (https://cnnportugal.iol.pt/eleicoes/legislativas2025/resultados/concelho/1011/nazare)
QuoteCHEGA
27.49%
2.111 votos
AD
25.93%
1.991 votos
PS
25.40%
1.950 votos
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:03:49 AM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:03:49 AM
Ok, half my ancestral land went AD haha
*edit* other half is Lisboa. Alvalade Specifically. Going back a few more generations it's Figueiró dos Vinhos, which went even more AD
*edit* other half is Lisboa. Alvalade Specifically. Going back a few more generations it's Figueiró dos Vinhos, which went even more AD
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 10:04:34 AM
Post by: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 10:04:34 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:00:12 AMQuote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 09:56:10 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 06:05:24 AMFunny to see how Chega replaced the communists in Alentejo.
That happens a lot. The horseshoe theory at work.
It's where all the new Bangladeshi and Indians went. Which is kind of funny. Portuguese don't want to do the agricultural work but hate the people that do :lol: every once in a While there a thing that goes around where odemira (a town/municipality in Portugal) is being replaced by Indians. Portuguese Facebook is wild.
Just like Americans.
Hate the immigrants but nobody wants to move to the great plains and work all day in a giant industrial milk factory.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:06:34 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:06:34 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:00:12 AMQuote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 09:56:10 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 06:05:24 AMFunny to see how Chega replaced the communists in Alentejo.
That happens a lot. The horseshoe theory at work.
It's where all the new Bangladeshi and Indians went. Which is kind of funny. Portuguese don't want to do the agricultural work but hate the people that do :lol: every once in a While there a thing that goes around where odemira (a town/municipality in Portugal) is being replaced by Indians. Portuguese Facebook is wild.
Alentejanos are not exactly known for their hardworking attitude. :D
I don't think there that many there, compared to say, Martim Moniz square in Lisbon. :P
Besides, FB and other assorted anti-social networks are to be taken with a pinch of salt. :P
Alentejo has gypsies though, the other apple of André Ventura's eyes. :D
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:09:46 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:09:46 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 10:04:34 AMQuote from: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:00:12 AMQuote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 09:56:10 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 06:05:24 AMFunny to see how Chega replaced the communists in Alentejo.
That happens a lot. The horseshoe theory at work.
It's where all the new Bangladeshi and Indians went. Which is kind of funny. Portuguese don't want to do the agricultural work but hate the people that do :lol: every once in a While there a thing that goes around where odemira (a town/municipality in Portugal) is being replaced by Indians. Portuguese Facebook is wild.
Just like Americans.
Hate the immigrants but nobody wants to move to the great plains and work all day in a giant industrial milk factory.
Not really since Portuguese people have been doing that kind of work, just not for the cut rate "offered" by modern day slavers.
Lots of Portuguese did it or have been doing it abroad, as a matter of fact.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:10:50 AM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:10:50 AM
But Martim moniz was always a hellhole. Before them it was the heroine addicts of Lisbon. It's not like they made the place any worse, just darker in skin colour :P
*edit* at the gypsys are everywhere :ph34r:
*edit* at the gypsys are everywhere :ph34r:
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:14:13 AM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:09:46 AMQuote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 10:04:34 AMQuote from: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:00:12 AMQuote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 09:56:10 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 06:05:24 AMFunny to see how Chega replaced the communists in Alentejo.
That happens a lot. The horseshoe theory at work.
It's where all the new Bangladeshi and Indians went. Which is kind of funny. Portuguese don't want to do the agricultural work but hate the people that do :lol: every once in a While there a thing that goes around where odemira (a town/municipality in Portugal) is being replaced by Indians. Portuguese Facebook is wild.
Just like Americans.
Hate the immigrants but nobody wants to move to the great plains and work all day in a giant industrial milk factory.
Not really since Portuguese people have been doing that kind of work, just not for the cut rate "offered" by modern day slavers.
Lots of Portuguese did it or have been doing it abroad, as a matter of fact.
That's the "problem". Those willing to do it go abroad to do it for more money so no one is left who wants to do it at home, so you have to import them. Problem is two fold. Portugals poor so attracts even poorer countries (undesirable in a lot of eyes). Second fold ( :P ) is that it's an easier way for these immigrants to get EU citizenship. Europe is gonna be pissed at Portugal in a decade or so when the now Portuguese citizens flood other wealthier nations.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:17:06 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:17:06 AM
Given the lenient and somewhat efficient anti illegal drug policy including decriminalisation of weed (not heroin), the situation of drug addicts was slowy improving.
To be fair, gentrification/boboisation would also deplace the issue sooner or later.
But Moors being Moors, as in fatalistic, current Martim Moniz square is business as usual. :lol:
To be fair, gentrification/boboisation would also deplace the issue sooner or later.
But Moors being Moors, as in fatalistic, current Martim Moniz square is business as usual. :lol:
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 10:18:26 AM
Post by: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 10:18:26 AM
Portugal is also ground zero for digital nomad douchebags.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:20:16 AM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:20:16 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:17:06 AMGiven the lenient and somewhat efficient anti illegal drug policy including decriminalisation of weed (not heroin), the situation of drug addicts was slowy improving.
To be fair, gentrification/boboisation would also deplace the issue sooner or later.
But Moors being Moors, as in fatalistic, current Martim Moniz square is business as usual. :lol:
Give them a decade or so and once they get citizenship they'll move to wealthier nations. Probably your neck of the woods actually :D
That being said I do think Portugal has done a shit job and immigration control. So have a lot of countries. But if they were of fairer complexion I don't think chega would do as well. Portugal has been bitching about Brazilians for decades but hasn't done much. 100,000 south Asians make it across the border and they lose their shit :lol:
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:21:55 AM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 10:18:26 AMPortugal is also ground zero for digital nomad douchebags.
Fair. But the bigger issue with the affordability crisis is AirBnB. Leaches.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:23:47 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:14:13 AMThat's the "problem". Those willing to do it go abroad to do it for more money so no one is left who wants to do it at home, so you have to import them. Problem is two fold. Portugals poor so attracts even poorer countries (undesirable in a lot of eyes). Second fold ( :P ) is that it's an easier way for these immigrants to get EU citizenship. Europe is gonna be pissed at Portugal in a decade or so when the now Portuguese citizens flood other wealthier nations.
The problem only started due to the previous government of Costa with his massive immigration policy, while claiming it would be "selective" in the choice of immigrants. :D Dismantling the border and foreigner police, instead of reforming it, was also stupid but ideologically motivated;
Also, Portuguese citizenship has been tightened up a bit again due to abuses (the "paper" Portuguese I saw at the consulate...), by Costa and his clique, so citizenship won't be that easy, though technically Portuguese citizenship is not needed, sometimes just a document showing (somewhat) legal residence in Portugal and travel rights in the Schengen Area.
Plus people named Muhammad or Yussuf won't be seen anytime soon as Portuguese in Europe.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:24:43 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 10:18:26 AMPortugal is also ground zero for digital nomad douchebags.
They play a part in higher rents and housing issues, specially in big cities, but Chega can't really campaign against them.
Burden shared with Spain, Italy and Greece, as well.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:31:09 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2025, 10:20:16 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 10:17:06 AMGiven the lenient and somewhat efficient anti illegal drug policy including decriminalisation of weed (not heroin), the situation of drug addicts was slowy improving.
To be fair, gentrification/boboisation would also deplace the issue sooner or later.
But Moors being Moors, as in fatalistic, current Martim Moniz square is business as usual. :lol:
Give them a decade or so and once they get citizenship they'll move to wealthier nations. Probably your neck of the woods actually :D
Bragança ? I have seen a couple of them already but don't worry they will head back to Lisbon, in time. ;)
It will take more time, they need to bring back cousins as in so-called family regrouping, marry them (inbreeding is kosher in those countries. :P ) have "Portuguese" children and then perhaps gain Portuguese citizenship.
QuoteThat being said I do think Portugal has done a shit job and immigration control. So have a lot of countries. But if they were of fairer complexion I don't think chega would do as well. Portugal has been bitching about Brazilians for decades but hasn't done much. 100,000 south Asians make it across the border and they lose their shit :lol:
Apples and Oranges (not PSD :D ).
Brazilians have had a privileged status and can immigrate very easily thanks to the treaty of Porto Seguro, which also grants the same benefits to Portuguese people. Granted, the benefit seems dubious for Portugal now. :P
Yet Brazilians managed to immigrate ilegally and be exploited, either by their already installed countrymen or Portuguese bosses.
Lately, it's been more bourgeois Brazilians fleeing brazilian troubles, political problems and criminality, yet voting Chega, of course. :lol:
Also, these Indians and Bengalis are muslim, dark-skinned Indians have been in Lisbon for a while, but they were catholic or hindus and spoke Portuguese... The latter used to provide the only vegetarian restaurants for tourists, back in the day.
Not to mention there are probably more than 100,000 of them now, in Al-Usbuna alone. :D
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 11:01:12 AM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 11:01:12 AM
Wiki says 25k Bangladeshi in Portugal. I know, I know, wiki isn't the most reliable source. I had found stats saying Portugal has 200k residents and citizens of Indian descent. It lumped basically all of South Asia as "Indian". Roughly evenly split between prior immigration from a few decades ago and their descendants and new immigration. Can't find it again though. Are those numbers that far off from your understanding?
*edit* and by your area I meant moving to France :P
*edit* and by your area I meant moving to France :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 11:49:39 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 11:49:39 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2025, 11:01:12 AMWiki says 25k Bangladeshi in Portugal. I know, I know, wiki isn't the most reliable source. I had found stats saying Portugal has 200k residents and citizens of Indian descent. It lumped basically all of South Asia as "Indian". Roughly evenly split between prior immigration from a few decades ago and their descendants and new immigration. Can't find it again though. Are those numbers that far off from your understanding?Not to mention some people counted as Mozambican are of indian descent.
Stats don't specify those of Goa, Damão, Diu etc. since they are mostly Portuguese.
By the way, do I need to remind the former incompetent and corrupt PM, pro mass unrestricted immigration, is of goan origin? vide supra
Quote*edit* and by your area I meant moving to France :P
If you miss the "new" Martim Moniz, I recommend you the Barbès-Rochechouart area of Paris, though gentrification/boboisation has started; it will take some time however. :P Nice municipal arthouse for instance, with their Carpenter AND Bergman marathon night. :)
As for Indians, Pakistanis and Bengalis, try around Gare du Nord, a not-so-nice neighborhood where Hiberno-British of the (Southern) English persuasion find trains to their wet and windy island. :D
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 12:11:31 PM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 12:11:31 PM
But that's the point. The 100k south Asians that were there for decades don't cause a backlash in the polls. Nor the 500k Brazilians everyone bitched about. It was 25k dark brown muslims (they didn't even care about the lighter North African muslims milling about for decades :P ). That's what drove everyone to vote chega. 0.2% of the population :D even if you add the other 75k of non Muslim new Indians that's less then 1% of the population (though I doubt the average Portuguese citizen knows the difference :lol: ). and while immigration was broken, and stupid things were done like golden visas and the expansion of AL licences to stupid degrees what really riled the population were 25k dark brown people :P the numbers bandied about on Portuguese Facebook (I know I know) is a million Muslims. 10% of Portugal. It's insane to believe that. Some people do. I bet a hefty number of chega voters.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 12:52:06 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 12:52:06 PM
Not everybody bitched about Brazilians.
Their anglo-americanised criolised sabir on the other hand.... :P
Plus your figures are way off, as you recognised it. :D
15 % of foreigners by the end of 2024, from 4% in 2017.
That's 1.5 million foreigners.
https://www.sapo.pt/noticias/atualidade/artigos/quantos-estrangeiros-vivem-em-portugal-retrato-em-tres-graficos (https://www.sapo.pt/noticias/atualidade/artigos/quantos-estrangeiros-vivem-em-portugal-retrato-em-tres-graficos)
Not all are muslim but from 2017 to 2024, the 25 k Bengalis only? Come on...
Unless it's in Martim Moniz alone, you are speaking of. :D
Too much I think.
Their anglo-americanised criolised sabir on the other hand.... :P
Plus your figures are way off, as you recognised it. :D
15 % of foreigners by the end of 2024, from 4% in 2017.
That's 1.5 million foreigners.
https://www.sapo.pt/noticias/atualidade/artigos/quantos-estrangeiros-vivem-em-portugal-retrato-em-tres-graficos (https://www.sapo.pt/noticias/atualidade/artigos/quantos-estrangeiros-vivem-em-portugal-retrato-em-tres-graficos)
Not all are muslim but from 2017 to 2024, the 25 k Bengalis only? Come on...
Unless it's in Martim Moniz alone, you are speaking of. :D
Too much I think.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 01:24:45 PM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 01:24:45 PM
I wish I could find that article about demographics again :( , so wiki it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Portugal#Nationality . Numbers are a bit off from your article at 1.39 Million, but its also a year off for new residents and 3 for new citizens. taking the residents and adding the new citizens table you get a total for South asia (India, Nepal,. Bangladesh and Pakistan) of 140,800, which ties back roughly to the number i had recalled reading in regards to new immigration from south asia. Of that 25k Bangladesh are residents and no new citizens since 2008. Ill give to you another 22k of Pakistanis as Muslim immigrants though, so 0.4% of portugal instead of 0.2% :P
half of all the foreigners in Portugal are from Brazil and other former colonies at 744k (532k resident and 212k new citizens).
Immigration seems to broken, and should be fixed, but from what i'm told of my family in Portugal is that its being sold as stopping the brown wave (some agree with the sentiment :P ), which really doesn't appear to be the case. So its not some civic duty or patriotism thing, its eww stinky brown person thing. Whatever gets the vote though i guess :D Even if you stop all immigration from non EU or Lusophone Countries you're still at a large number so i don't know how you'd fix that. Make yourself even poorer and less enticing?
half of all the foreigners in Portugal are from Brazil and other former colonies at 744k (532k resident and 212k new citizens).
Immigration seems to broken, and should be fixed, but from what i'm told of my family in Portugal is that its being sold as stopping the brown wave (some agree with the sentiment :P ), which really doesn't appear to be the case. So its not some civic duty or patriotism thing, its eww stinky brown person thing. Whatever gets the vote though i guess :D Even if you stop all immigration from non EU or Lusophone Countries you're still at a large number so i don't know how you'd fix that. Make yourself even poorer and less enticing?
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on May 19, 2025, 01:39:34 PM
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on May 19, 2025, 01:39:34 PM
FYI, I fixed the poll pictures
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 02:48:43 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on May 19, 2025, 01:39:34 PMFYI, I fixed the poll pictures
Thanks!
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 02:54:28 PM
Post by: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 02:54:28 PM
So the winning coalition pretty much has to form a minority government or coalition with the Socialists, which I understand is not a realistic possibility or they would have already done it. So did this election actually resolve anything? Seems like you will be having another election soon.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 03:46:01 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 03:46:01 PM
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2025, 01:24:45 PMI wish I could find that article about demographics again :( , so wiki it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Portugal#Nationality . Numbers are a bit off from your article at 1.39 Million, but its also a year off for new residents and 3 for new citizens. taking the residents and adding the new citizens table you get a total for South asia (India, Nepal,. Bangladesh and Pakistan) of 140,800, which ties back roughly to the number i had recalled reading in regards to new immigration from south asia. Of that 25k Bangladesh are residents and no new citizens since 2008. Ill give to you another 22k of Pakistanis as Muslim immigrants though, so 0.4% of portugal instead of 0.2% :P
half of all the foreigners in Portugal are from Brazil and other former colonies at 744k (532k resident and 212k new citizens).
Immigration seems to broken, and should be fixed, but from what i'm told of my family in Portugal is that its being sold as stopping the brown wave (some agree with the sentiment :P ), which really doesn't appear to be the case. So its not some civic duty or patriotism thing, its eww stinky brown person thing. Whatever gets the vote though i guess :D Even if you stop all immigration from non EU or Lusophone Countries you're still at a large number so i don't know how you'd fix that. Make yourself even poorer and less enticing?
Figures I gave are official, from the immigration service and one year later.
So more than 25k legally.
As for illegal immigrants, no figures obviously.
But yes, most foreigners, for now, are CPLP, but then even Chega accepts the idea of immigration from Lusophone countries.
Montenegro has been tightening the immigration laws, but that's not enough for Ventura, who wants more than containing and even roll back.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 04:08:28 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 04:08:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 02:54:28 PMSo the winning coalition pretty much has to form a minority government or coalition with the Socialists, which I understand is not a realistic possibility or they would have already done it. So did this election actually resolve anything? Seems like you will be having another election soon.More margin for the AD and a clear defeat for the PS which cannot pull combinazione tricks with junior leftist parties since they got hammered too.
AD can count on IL votes but Montenegro has ruled out an alliance with Chega deeming him too petulant, not consistent policy-wise and unreliable.
Still 4 seats to be decided.
Outside of Europe specially, Portuguese voters in, say Venezuela, are really pissed off at anything even remotely socialist or leftist.
Europe might be more AD friendly than PS but Chega did well last time.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 05:25:59 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 19, 2025, 05:25:59 PM
Good news by the way: abstention « only » 35 %, lowest in years.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 05:31:54 PM
Post by: HVC on May 19, 2025, 05:31:54 PM
I sometimes wonder if Australia doesn't have it the right way with compulsory voting.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Sheilbh on May 19, 2025, 05:43:23 PM
Post by: Sheilbh on May 19, 2025, 05:43:23 PM
They do. Compulsory voting, democracy sausages, robust debate and PMs who can down a yard of ale in 10 seconds.
The only thing they've got wrong is elections every three years which is just too short.
The only thing they've got wrong is elections every three years which is just too short.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 20, 2025, 12:48:52 AM
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 20, 2025, 12:48:52 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2025, 05:31:54 PMI sometimes wonder if Australia doesn't have it the right way with compulsory voting.
Belgium... though that might not be a good example
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 20, 2025, 11:22:30 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 20, 2025, 11:22:30 AM
Lower abstention is due in great part to people being attracted to politics thanks to, guess who, André Ventura. :P Very adept at (anti-) social networks such as Instagram, Tik Tok, FB, whatever...
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Syt on May 20, 2025, 11:25:33 AM
Post by: Syt on May 20, 2025, 11:25:33 AM
Proposal for parliamentary (non-FPTP) systems: If 30% don't vote, assign 30% of seats to administrative bureaucrats. The other 70% based on party votes. :P
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: HVC on May 20, 2025, 11:46:31 AM
Post by: HVC on May 20, 2025, 11:46:31 AM
Hermes Conrad would rule with an iron fist.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: PJL on May 20, 2025, 12:06:12 PM
Post by: PJL on May 20, 2025, 12:06:12 PM
I'm not sure higher turnout is necessarily a good thing. A lot of evidence suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Syt on May 21, 2025, 02:20:27 AM
Post by: Syt on May 21, 2025, 02:20:27 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 20, 2025, 11:46:31 AMHermes Conrad would rule with an iron fist.
Or Sir Humphrey.
Title: Re: 2025 Portuguese legislative election
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 30, 2025, 02:34:17 PM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 30, 2025, 02:34:17 PM
Final results from the expats, emigrants and luso-descendants :
2 seats for AD (centre-right / conservatives)
2 seats for Chega (populist right)
No seats for PS, so Chega is now the second party in Portugal.
Former PM Bosta, can be proud of himself. :P
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/2025_Portuguese_legislative_election_-_Vote_Strength.svg/1280px-2025_Portuguese_legislative_election_-_Vote_Strength.svg.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Portuguese_legislative_election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Portuguese_legislative_election)
Sorry, no Chega MP in Bragança!
2 seats for AD (centre-right / conservatives)
2 seats for Chega (populist right)
No seats for PS, so Chega is now the second party in Portugal.
Former PM Bosta, can be proud of himself. :P
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/2025_Portuguese_legislative_election_-_Vote_Strength.svg/1280px-2025_Portuguese_legislative_election_-_Vote_Strength.svg.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Portuguese_legislative_election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Portuguese_legislative_election)
Sorry, no Chega MP in Bragança!